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Have you ever pondered why some beloved video game characters stick with us long after the console is turned off? Join us as we kick things off with Kyle’s hilarious attempt at an impromptu speech, which leads us down memory lane to revisit iconic movie speeches from "A Knight's Tale." Our conversation then shifts to a deep dive into the Mass Effect series, where we explore the impactful roles of characters like Captain Kirrahe, Thane, and Miranda. We can't help but analyze why the game "Concord" fell flat despite its considerable funding, leaving players and creators equally bewildered.
Next, we break down the marketing missteps that can make or break a game, especially for new hero shooters often pegged as Overwatch clones. With comparisons to games like Marvel Rivals, we dissect why a $40 price tag and lackluster promotion can spell disaster. Adding to the excitement, we discuss a new anthology series on Amazon Prime featuring characters from hit Sony titles like God of War and Ghost of Tsushima. Plus, we dive into the character dynamics and ethical dilemmas in the TV show "Suits," focusing on the complex evolution of Harvey Specter and Louis Litt.
Finally, we journey through the legendary lore of "The Lord of the Rings," debating Gandalf’s mysterious power levels and the strategic blunders at the Battle of Minas Tirith. We savor the unique friendship between Gimli and Legolas and discuss Frodo’s climactic moments. Our banter continues as we compare gaming preferences, recount humorous in-game romantic choices, and even touch on lactose intolerance in a hilariously candid moment. Don't miss our engaging and laughter-filled episode that promises a blend of nostalgia, insightful analysis, and plenty of fun!
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Speaker 2:Kyle, take us away with your speech. You know you really set me up for failure here. I didn't know I was supposed to give a speech until right after I saw this five seconds ago. So how dare you, did you prepare? Don't help me, don't help me.
Speaker 1:I said this is going to go one of two ways. Kyle was either going to abandon it Immediately or he would look up An AI generated greatest speech of all time and deliver it with.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to start Ripping off Chaucer from A Knight's Tale. It's times like these that are far too rare For heavy handed words.
Speaker 1:What does he say?
Speaker 2:Born a stone's throw from this very stadium.
Speaker 1:What's his one line? But like he's like something but quiet as a whisper or something.
Speaker 2:He spent a year in silence just to better understand the sound of a whisper.
Speaker 1:That's so stupid dude, the dumbest line ever.
Speaker 4:It's so good.
Speaker 1:It's so good. You get so juiced up watching that.
Speaker 3:It's hilarious, I thought you were going to say Captain Kearney's speech, what his song.
Speaker 4:What His song? That's more of them.
Speaker 2:The silent step? Who defeated a nation with a single shot? Are they ever alert?
Speaker 1:Keep armies at bay with hidden facts. This is the first game, right, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's amazing that Kyle knows that.
Speaker 2:But before that we held the line Wow.
Speaker 1:In the battle today.
Speaker 2:I skipped, like three parts.
Speaker 1:We will hold the line. Does he have a part At all in the other games? He's in the third game.
Speaker 2:He shows up and he's just kind of like hey, remember when you helped me? I don't care what these politicians say, I got your back, since you helped me. Oh, he's just kind of like hey, remember when you helped me, I don't care what these politicians say, I got your back, since you helped me.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's easy to recruit, huh he helps you, regardless of what side you choose with, like the Salarians or whatnot. Basically, he's like I don't care what they say, I got you, and he gives you like 25 war assets or something like that, and number two 25, that's it. That's how much any single character gives you.
Speaker 1:Oh, I thought he was still a commander at that point, doesn't he give you the special unit?
Speaker 2:He might give you that too. So maybe like 225.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I think the arachnids don't they give you like 4,000?
Speaker 2:The special tactics group the arachni.
Speaker 3:What are they? Yeah, the arachni.
Speaker 1:The arachni the.
Speaker 2:Arachni, not Arachni the, what are they called?
Speaker 1:The.
Speaker 2:Arachni, arachni.
Speaker 1:Oh, there's no A, there's no A, there's no Arachni, it should be because it's like Arachnid. That was a cool race. I like that.
Speaker 2:Well, in number two, kirhi is actually a lot more important, if you don't the third one.
Speaker 4:He's a lot more important but in two, where he's or no. The third one is the one where so kiri that's where he dies, if you're fucking wrong.
Speaker 2:Okay I am. If thane doesn't, if thane dies in the second one, or you just for some reason never recruited him there's him.
Speaker 2:Well he's. The default is kiri is the default to thane. But Kiri is the one that saves the, the counselor, and fights off Kai Lange, and not Thane instead. And but you can get to the point where theory Thane and Kiri can both die somehow and you can actually like that line at the end where Shepard says that was for Thane, you son of a bitch. He actually like that line at the end where Shepard says that was for Thane, you son of a bitch. He actually can say that was for Thane and Kiri, you son of a bitch. Or that was for Thane, Kiri and Miranda, you son of a bitch.
Speaker 3:So it's Miranda's the third one.
Speaker 2:Miranda's the third one.
Speaker 4:What's going on?
Speaker 3:Well, so what? The only way, kiri dies is if you don't send the ship to rescue his crew.
Speaker 2:Well, in the first one there's like all these little things you have to do to help them out along the way. If you skip those things, then his crew dies in the process. If you help him out, then he'll survive.
Speaker 3:Makes sense.
Speaker 2:And then, yeah, so Kiri, he shows up for a little bit in the third one. He's basically just plays like a like a badass for like one mission and then says I'll be there for you Also if Rex dies, um, or you don't side with the Krogan, or Reeve is dead also, which is like shitty that you have to go through all that to get to it. But kiri can actually. He can deliver a speech, um on earth at the very end and his speech on earth.
Speaker 2:At the very end is really good is really good too, and I'm like I hate that you have to fail all these other things to hear this I would have liked to like somehow have it still in the game. Yeah, well, this time billy brought up mass effect.
Speaker 3:Yeah, always got it started to get us off of it. Did you guys hear about concord?
Speaker 1:oh, I've heard the drama hilarious what's going on?
Speaker 3:700 concurrent players. It's uh like a multi-million dollar, didn't this that sony funded?
Speaker 1:yeah, didn't the ceo think was a joke? Like when the numbers came in they thought it was like they were lying or something.
Speaker 3:I didn't see that, but I find it hilarious because personally I saw that game and I did not care.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't think I've even seen this game.
Speaker 1:Well, it isn't so correct me if I'm wrong. It's a Sony funded game, uh-huh. So that means it's on the PS5, right yeah, is it on all platforms?
Speaker 3:No, only PS5 and PC Right. So we don't have those numbers Right, we only have the Steam numbers, but Steam is still a good indicator, I feel, on the games, Well, as a PC player, I felt like they did zero in marketing.
Speaker 1:I didn't hear about it until I saw the CEO tweet like this is a joke, right. He thought it was a meme or something. No, I might be totally wrong on that.
Speaker 3:It's a hero shooter and it's like space outlaws, space cowboy type stuff and all the character designs are weird.
Speaker 2:An Overwatch clone. It's an Overwatch clone watch clone.
Speaker 3:It's an overwatch clone and um, yeah, I'm not interested at all, but I do find it funny that it's like another another live service game and it's not free to play. It's a 40 game so like, if it was free to play I would. I wouldn't check it out, but I could see maybe more people would probably play it, but $40?.
Speaker 1:Maybe that model's starting to fail? I hope so, but then you have.
Speaker 3:I think we have other examples of this. You have. One thing I kind of want to play eventually is Marvel Rivals or whatever that came out, the hero shooter Marvel one. That looks pretty fun and I heard, I think, that's getting good reviews and stuff. It's only on PC right now, though, I believe.
Speaker 1:I feel like the failure of this is just marketing.
Speaker 2:I didn't hear this about this game at all. I didn't hear anything. I don't even know about this game.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, I think it's too bland. If you look at the art style or just the game itself, it didn't really stick. It's stale. It didn't like, it wasn't like. I'm trying to think of another game that didn't really, uh, advertise, but it's still. It has, like it has that quality that makes you want to look at it and want to play it. It's sticky.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of games like that. There's a lot, yeah.
Speaker 3:So I mean marketing. Good games can come without any marketing, but it's just I feel like it was too I don't know perfect recipe or whatever for disaster Golem had a higher peak Golem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's not a Sony platform developed thing. I think. To me it's really Because that's what I heard is it was a Sony funded thing, so they probably pumped all the marketing out to PlayStation players or through their store, through whatever. Did you hear about it before it came out? You were aware of it, right?
Speaker 3:I knew of it, not through my PS5, I knew of it. I heard it once at the state of play, the playstation state of play, and then after that I was seeing it on like um, on subreddits, subreddits and stuff, but otherwise I didn't see any marketing for it myself, even even on the playstation. I'm sure was, but I don't look at the store unless I know I'm buying something, unless you're going there for a purpose.
Speaker 1:I don't just peruse it.
Speaker 3:Let me browse it. I do that all the time and you didn't see it at all.
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 1:Wow. Well, how many times have we gone through budgets for major film like I think, with gaming it's still a little behind the scenes, we don't have as many insights like steam is awesome because it's super transparent, but we really don't know how many people are playing this game because it's just locked as a secret. But we see on film, because these numbers are out there, that the like.
Speaker 2:If it's a 400 million dollar movie budget, the 150 of that is marketing yeah, you know it's tv ads, and it always throws you off too, because you're like, oh, the budget was 100, 100 million, but they need to at least, uh, make 300 million to turn a profit. I'm like where's this?
Speaker 4:other money. Why did they?
Speaker 2:why did they not need to make 101 million? Why do they need to? I know a million dollars, right, a lot of profit, but like, why do they feel like they have to make 101 million? Why do they need to? I know a million dollars, right, a lot of profit, but like, why do they feel like?
Speaker 1:they have to make triple the amount. Yeah, it's for it to be worth it. It's just crazy to me, like how costly our eyeballs are. Uh, you know, to get, get the word out, get hype around it. I think that's the failure, because I the first time I saw it, it was already a meme. It's like oh, 600 something players. I'll have to find that tweet, but it was hilarious because I'm pretty sure it was the CEO. Just a joke. Yeah, like this is a joke, right? These are not real numbers, right?
Speaker 3:Which is crazy that it launched on PC day one that's.
Speaker 2:Didn't Helldivers 2 launch on PC day one?
Speaker 3:I think so. Yeah, so playstation's getting a little more friendly, maybe barely I wouldn't have you seen.
Speaker 2:Um, I know I shared in the discord, but have you seen any more of this secret level thing on that show on amazon prime? It looks it looks really good, and now people have spotted other characters that they didn't mention. We're going to be in it like jen from ghost yeah, um I'm excited for this, so it looks good to catch the viewers up.
Speaker 3:It's um love, death and robots. They're making a show for amazon that appears to be in partnership with sony. It seems like it's mostly sony titles. Yeah, it's not exclusively not sony, it seems like it's mostly sony titles.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's not exclusively, not exclusively, but it seems like it and like in the commercial they didn't say specifically, like they didn't mention who they were partnering with, just that. It's a bunch of, it's an anthology series about a bunch of like your favorite games and they list off like there's armored core, there's god of war, there's's Ghost of Tsushima. It looks like Pac-Man Pac-Man.
Speaker 2:Mega, man, mega.
Speaker 3:Man.
Speaker 2:The Outer Worlds.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like there's so many Spelunky Sifu, like there's a lot of like titles, that I was kind of like shocked. I was like, oh, wow, like okay.
Speaker 3:Sifu, that would be interesting, so I would recommend go watch the trailer. It's a really cool trailer. It's called Secret Level Secret.
Speaker 2:Level God of War. Even though he's not in the description Kratos was, he's in it. He's in the trailer.
Speaker 3:But in the trailer they showed there's very distinct art styles and I think it's going to be cool. Did you guys ever watch Love, death and Robots?
Speaker 2:I did Not all of it, but I did watch a few of the episodes, A few of them yeah, what about you, billy?
Speaker 3:No, no, it's animation. You'd hate it. There you go. It's not all hand-drawn, though it's like CG.
Speaker 1:I see it through my white eyes and it goes through my white brain and it white face, so I just don't watch that shit I feel like a typical white guy no anime there's some explanation needed for that steve. Yeah, okay it just gets. What's the famous quote from like a one of the like a movie.
Speaker 3:It's cg wider as a do you like toy story yeah, like that type of animation yeah, it's one of my favorite movies of all time, did you see?
Speaker 1:Toy Story 5? Yeah, I'm not excited. Come on, man.
Speaker 3:How much are we going to?
Speaker 1:milk that dead cow.
Speaker 2:Type though Secret level as Toy Story, you might. Actually, I don't think you'd be too turned off by the animation, because all the shows on secret level it's animated to look like the game that it's representing. So if it's God of War it'll look like God of War graphics.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's fine.
Speaker 2:It's not like it's hand-drawn anime, which there's nothing wrong with that, but I know that's not your style 12 frames per second.
Speaker 3:I think you should watch Love Death Robots. It's on Netflix.
Speaker 1:You know what I think you guys should watch? No, toy Story 5. Toy Story 6, they announced it.
Speaker 2:They announced it, it's coming.
Speaker 1:They already announced it. They announced the new trilogy Season 1 of Rings of Power.
Speaker 3:I will Rings of Power, season 2.
Speaker 2:It's on my watch list.
Speaker 1:It comes out Thursday or Friday this week I'm going through suits right now.
Speaker 2:I know I'm late to the party, but it's a good show. The show's good man. It's a very good show.
Speaker 2:It hooks you right from the beginning, me and Tori are fully hooked. Yeah, and it's like every single episode I mean, let's be honest, every single episode all these people would be in prison, 100% the stuff that they do, but that's what makes it so Dramatic. Dramatic, but it's good, and the heroes of it do. It's not like breaking bad where, like, you're watching the bad guy the whole time. It's not like that at all. In fact, all the good people are good, you know, but they are very much like do what's necessary to win, type of thing, and so like.
Speaker 1:Sometimes they're just heartless, ruthless, um but they find out you'll lose your license. I don't care, but they all have like a moral code.
Speaker 2:At least the good guys all have like a moral code they stick to. But they're also not afraid, like the episode we watched last night. Like this nurse was on strike, she's representing like the nurse's union, they're about to go on strike, or she's representing like the nurses union, they're about to go on strike. And then the main character, harvey, he basically like after she had opened up to mike and was like you know, our nurses stay 15 hours a day, sometimes I don't even paid for it, blah, blah, blah. And then, uh, he was like really feeling for them. And then harvey goes in and he's just like so your nurses are working more, not clocking it. That's against the law. Like, basically, and she looks over at mike and she's like I hope you can sleep with yourself at night or whatever. And then you're like holy shit, harvey, that was like really low blow and it makes you like think, like damn, like are they actually?
Speaker 1:doing like the right thing all the time and then doesn't he like donate 100 grand to their union?
Speaker 2:or something stupid like I'm resolved or I'm absolved of all guilt yeah, and harvey, like um, he's such a fun character to watch in suits because he's like, obviously minus the action hero part. He's like if there was an american version of james bond 100, it would be him I'm shocked he hasn't had more prominent roles.
Speaker 1:He hasn't really done anything after suits ended ended His name the main character. Yeah, what the fuck is his real name? Gabriel Gabriel Mock Mock, that's what it is, and he's a stud.
Speaker 2:He's a good looking guy. He looks like he would have been a really good Batman.
Speaker 1:He was in that movie with Owen Wilson Behind Enemy Lines. Oh hell, a long time ago, yeah, uh, where he was the guy like both of them go down, and he was his co-pilot or co-person or whatever and, uh, he died behind enemy lines and the rest of the movie's following owen wilson around um it was, uh, megan markle the, the princess.
Speaker 2:It was before she was in the royal family. She was an actor on this show gina torres the uh who's in like all nerd everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's awesome, she does voice acting and stuff she's. She's in a lot of shit she's in destiny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's a stud firefly, firefly, of course but gina torres plays like um the main boss, bitch badass of uh, the pearson hardman which goes through all these names jessica pearson yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:Jessica Pearson. Yeah, so yeah I. I haven't got to that part yet, but they said that it kind of falls off, like they say. The first five seasons are spectacular. Six, seven are a little bit weaker than eight, and nine are apparently not that good. But so far, we're only on season two. It's been stellar. We're only on season two. It's been stellar.
Speaker 1:It's a very good show. I think that's with all shows, though they hit their niche. Louis Lit, he carries those mid-seasons so hard Are you? On season one? Still no, we're on two. His character evolves so much and they have so much fun with it for all the middle seasons. It is fucking awesome to watch him.
Speaker 2:So far, from what I've seen, they do a really good job of. It's very easy for them to make you hate the character Lewis and then like him and love him and then go back to hating him, and they do it in a way that is actually organic.
Speaker 1:Yes, it doesn't feel like you're being jerked around.
Speaker 2:he's the one destructive, like yeah he does it to himself, but every time he gets ahead he does something conniving and you're like why did you do that?
Speaker 1:and then it's like perfectly explained, it's, it's, it's so true, because it's not like. There's other characters and shows where you're like, okay, dude, like what the fuck are we doing? But it's all self-destructive behavior that fits with his character. He, yeah, it's just like this, such this oddball and he makes horrible decisions in horrible times and he's never as good enough of a lawyer for like for the people around him, you know he's very like insecure.
Speaker 2:Yes, and he's always been. He's been. Harvey is one of two main characters. One of the main characters. He's been a lawyer with harvey pretty much from the beginning and he's always been just second to harvey the whole time and he has got this massive chip on his shoulder and the thing is he's actually a fantastic lawyer and he's like the best there is at like, like, uh like, money law whatever you want to call it fiduciary law.
Speaker 2:Um, but he never, even when he succeeds, he doesn't care if it, if he doesn't, if it doesn't put him ahead of harvey and he gets really toxic about it, but then he'll do things where you're like man, he is, he's the man, um, and they do it so well so far that I've seen, uh, really he has that, his, uh, I can't think of his name either, man, which one?
Speaker 1:Louis Lit? What his real name? Is oh I don't know, I haven't looked him up, I'm blanking, but he has some. His dramatic scenes are some of the best acting I've ever seen In the later seasons. He has lines and emotional stuff that he goes through and he fucking sells out for it. It's so good. It's so good, it's a good show.
Speaker 2:It's another one of those type of shows where it's very dialogue heavy. It's not realistic in the sense of what they get away with and what they do, but you forgive it because it's still intelligently written.
Speaker 1:It's just not like anything that would ever happen the whole premise of the show is Mike Ross is a brilliant lawyer, but he's not a lawyer. He'd never passed the bar, for himself at least, and he's never went to law school. But he has an eidetic memory so he can literally read anything and he remembers it forever and can recall it a hundred percent with accuracy.
Speaker 2:He that's his whole quirk the very first episode he was like he was selling weed for a friend of his and then he ended up almost getting caught. And so he's running and he like stumbles into this interview, like because he's trying to hide from the cops. He's like can I hide here? And somehow he like ends up in this interview with harvey and he basically just tells harvey everything. He's like I'm not a lawyer, blah, blah. And then harvey makes a joke like maybe we should hire you. You know more about this than half those candidates out there. And then he's like I'll take it. He's like what do you mean? You'll take it? He's like I'll take the job. And then it starts off as a joke. But then they slowly go back and forth and then basically Harvey's like you know what? Fuck it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like he opens up this law review book and he goes okay and he starts reading a random sentence in the middle of the book and then Mike finishes the sentence for him Because he, he knows exactly, he has eidetic memory and that's why didn't he pass the bar well, so that's the whole.
Speaker 1:That's the whole. Quirk is apparently you don't even need to go to law school to pass the bar. That just helps you, as in the state of new york, you just need to pass the bar. So that's the whole thing. Like that people can't get over. It's like just go take the fucking bar. But the quirk to counter that is this firm only hires from Harvard.
Speaker 2:Also. So he got blacklisted from college and from colleges, and the context is another reason why he knows so much about law is because he's always wanted to be a lawyer. When he was like I don't know what year he was in college, but he memorized the math test on one of the classes and started selling it to all these other employees and one of the people, like the dean, found out and so basically, like they blacklisted him from university and that's why he ended up his life changed and he ended up not going to law school being a lawyer, and so that's also part of the tension is like Harvey knows and like, slowly but surely, other people are starting to find out as well, but they're like, he's such a good lawyer.
Speaker 2:Like what do we do, you know? Like, do we keep going? Um, again, you know that you wouldn't be able to get away with something like that for very long at all, but it's still. It makes for a good like plot device that there's that you never, when you watch it, you never really feel like anyone's safe, although I am starting to pick up a pattern where it's like harvey, this cannot be done.
Speaker 4:Harvey does god dang it and then harvey goes I don't care, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2:And then he does it and wins and like you got lucky this time harvey, and that's like every episode almost.
Speaker 1:But again, that's selling it short, because they do that, but very well there's so many lines in that show, too, that are just like fucking epic. Like harvey has this one early on he's like life's like this, I like this, it like, but in the context of what they're talking about, how smooth he says it harvey is like, so epic, he's like a little, he's like the Sigma male before that became a meme.
Speaker 1:That's like his whole character Always has the upper hand in everything and he's super handsome, ridiculously good looking, and the suits they have him in all the time are fucking immaculate. Immaculate.
Speaker 2:He's got the classic three-piece.
Speaker 1:He always does the vest. It's so clean-looking.
Speaker 2:He represents celebrity lawyers, celebrity people. He'll casually throw in Michael.
Speaker 4:Jordan.
Speaker 2:That's not what Michael said last week. Michael who? Jordan, just shit like that All the time Life's like this.
Speaker 1:I like this, like the way he delivers it. The contacts are like.
Speaker 2:I'm actually surprised, badass I'm surprised that he's not the face of those sigma male memes.
Speaker 1:He should be, because he actually is that, but I think it's so good, like it's so weird, because I think on the surface I would hate a show like that. But it's delivered in a way where he actually is living that life and it's so smooth. He gets all the girls but yet he's super shallow and never ends up with the girl that he should end up, which is his secretary. It's like this whole back and forth. It just works for the characters.
Speaker 2:He also becomes very, very protective of mike and like he would like so far it looks like he would like just do anything for him and I don't know why, but like he feels responsible because he's the one that brought bike in it.
Speaker 1:It's like his little brother.
Speaker 2:As people start to find out things. In one episode he's about to get fired because I'm spoiling an over 10-year-old show, so it's whatever. But the main, jessica Pearson, finds out that Mike never went to Harvard and she's just like you have to fire him. And he's about to do it. And he's like I can't do it. And he goes through and he's like about to do it and he's like I can't do it and he goes through.
Speaker 2:He's like I'm not gonna fire him, like why he's like because if I fire him, then you fire me. You make that choice and like this whole thing and like you're like okay, so there's like he would do anything for mike um, but that's just like. It's funny the way that he like he always every interaction he's in.
Speaker 2:It's rare that he's not like the one leaving like on top like it's um sigma yeah, it's very, it's very like sigma male meme, but it's not like I don't know, it's just done better because it's not played for a joke like you actually believe that he, he's that guy, he is that guy like he just wrecks shit on that show.
Speaker 1:He's unstoppable, um, and they come up with. They come up with like really cool story arcs of them going up against like a really stud lawyer too, and it's like this epic fucking battle of back and forth and constant upper hand changes. They get into this, uh, investment banking side. I'll show you a clip after this show. But it's so epic, like one of the finance they're dealing with this way up, you know financier, and he like straight up burns like a hundred thousand dollar bond piece of paper and he and he has this line I forget what it is, but it's so fucking epic and douchey but like you can't help but just be like god dang, that's so impressive. You're just watching it. It's like it's so crazy, like we're corporate raiders and we like this money means nothing, it's a game to us. It's just not not like I don't know. They have this whole thing and you're just like, fuck yeah, it has nothing to do with real banking whatsoever.
Speaker 2:I think the reason that they get away with it I'm like just making is because all the characters, regardless of gender, regardless, they all act like that in this show, and so it's like who can out sigma, the other, oh okay, it's really the whole. Thing so they're all sigmas they're all sigmas, and so it's like a dog eat dog, all sigma world and yeah, like, uh, oh god, yeah, let me.
Speaker 4:Let me put this on dude.
Speaker 1:I just was watching that shit. It was like like we're corporators, lights a $50,000 bond on fire, just fucking. I use it to keep score. Like what the fuck? How epic of a line is that dude? I use money to keep score and that's like the first time I think you see that guy. Like the whole thing is like it's just constant dunking. It's insane man.
Speaker 2:Imagine that, but just like it never ends.
Speaker 2:It never ends. It's just like high adrenaline. They're fighting with words the whole time. One of my favorites is, in one of the very first episodes, some dude he represents these investment bankers or whatever and he goes to to and he's like uh, you come at me again without a warrant and I'll kick your ass just because you or a lawyer think you're smarter than me. And then harvey walks up and he's like you know what, todd, I do think I'm smarter than you, but if you think, that won't stop me from kicking your ass like he like immediately throws it back he's like then why don't you take a swing, see what happens?
Speaker 2:And he's like an inch from his face and he's like that's what I thought and I'm like no lawyer would ever say this, but like. But right after seeing that you're like, Fuck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, harvey, it's awesome. It's like red line throttle the whole fucking time and the writing is really good actually. So it's like red line throttle the whole fucking time and the writing is really really good actually. The story arcs. Sometimes they get so fucking nuts and you definitely get tired of the whole. Is Mike going to get found out today? Because it just drones on for 10 years basically while I was watching it. But that was a fun show.
Speaker 2:I'm not 100% sold on the romance aspect of it either, Like I don't know if it's going to get better, but I'm not a huge fan of Rachel at this point, Like no, she did. Yeah, but other than that I mean that's, that's actually not like a I mean, it is a.
Speaker 1:I felt like her strength was forced. It didn't feel organic with her acting style, and that's not because she's a woman. Sarah Paulson, what's his Donna? Donna, his secretary. Sarah Paulson, that's Sarah.
Speaker 2:Paulson.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2:I don't think so.
Speaker 1:I think that's her real name, but she is the most badass of everybody. She owns. Harvey.
Speaker 2:She's more badass than Harvey yeah.
Speaker 1:And she embodies strength. Sarah Rafferty, sarah Rafferty, who's Sarah Paulson?
Speaker 2:She's another actor, though it's like. Sarah Rafferty, sorry, Jessica Pearson's pretty badass too, though, oh 100%.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there's like a ton of strong women. But it fits with their acting portrayal. It always felt like with Rachel it was forced. It was like Her character was always. I totally agree with that. It was one of the weaker ones, never really liked that. So Rings of power.
Speaker 2:That's not technically nerd talk, but that's.
Speaker 3:It is nerd, you're nerding out on the show.
Speaker 2:I'm also just happy that. I'm actually happy that I found a show that I'm into. That's long enough, so it's not going to be over Super quick too.
Speaker 3:Isn't that nice. How many seasons are there? That's good stuff it's not going to be over super quick too, Isn't that nice. You're like, ooh, wait, how many seasons are there? That's good stuff. That's good. That's how I felt when I first started watching Game of Thrones. I was like wait, how long do I have of this before it gets bad? It only gets bad in the last two seasons, good stuff, so Rings of. Power comes out in two days. You want us to watch the whole season one in two days.
Speaker 1:Well, I just did it in one day. Jesus Christ, the best. Thing.
Speaker 2:What a man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I definitely didn't do it while I was working. I watched it with my wife on Sunday.
Speaker 1:My wife I skipped all the Harfoot shit which is like the Hobbit storyline, because that is the most irrelevant storyline. It was like the worst part of season one. It was so much more satisfying of a show to watch because it was such an isolated story. They have like this wizard, but we don't know if it's a wizard or not. We don't really know what his character is and it's like the these harfoots which are basically hobbits going through the world and it's. It was like the dialogue was weird that it just didn't fit with the whole show. So all the season two trailers have like not even shown them. So they they went from like one of the major storylines to I think they're getting bumped hard down, which I'm like, please, god do that.
Speaker 1:So what you focused on galadriel, galadriel the Southlands, which is where the Orc army rises up, and Numenor, which is Galadriel's, I guess, storyline as well, and then the Dwarves and the Elves storyline. Literally I just skipped over the hard foots and it cut out probably it's only eight episodes and they're an hour long each. It probably cut out an entire hour hour and a half of footage, so it only took like six and a half hours to get through all the episodes and God, it was so much better of a viewing experience, because I remember you ever Like with Game of Thrones they even go through this in some of the seasons where there's like certain storylines that you're like full in.
Speaker 1:You're like yes, and then it jumps to a storyline where you're like I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 3:It jumps to fucking. What's his name? Bran? Yeah, rolling around and I'm like I hate it I fucking don't care, dude.
Speaker 1:I don't care about this fucking tree for the next 30 minutes. We need to develop this story.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:I was, yeah, exactly. I was like, okay, you're going on a vision quest, I don't care, go back to john, yeah, I gotta work now. Yeah, okay, working, activated, bam, okay, um. And then like, yeah, that, yeah, exactly same kind of thing it was. So it was so good to watch and experience that with with the great story.
Speaker 1:Seeing the trailers for season two, I'm really juiced because they have not, they've like maybe a blip Cause I that was their most critical feedback was the Harfoot storyline. Blue Didn't make any sense, but it made sense. It just was. It just was lame compared to everything else. So I think we're going to get a lot more of the other storylines because there were some really good ones that I enjoyed.
Speaker 1:Now, again, I'm not a tolkien nerd that, like people, they're so sensitive to how it like was written and how it's being interpreted, but I just I love the setting in the world that they're building. And it was so cool to go back because saran we get introduced to saran in season one very early, but you don't know, it's Sauron yet and so it's cool to watch it unfold because he says lines and you're like, how did I miss that? How did I? Oh, he says one line very early on, that like the deep lore nerds knew exactly what it was. Um, yeah, the real show is in a few days. Yeah, exactly, yeah, that's what we're talking about. Four days, four days.
Speaker 1:I thought it came out friday, um, but like I guess, yeah, friday at midnight, which would be the morning of, so like thursday late night, but really technically Friday Anyway, but yeah, so it's. I'm excited, having watched all of it again. And you see, sauron like deep lore nerds knew that it was Sauron because he says this one line. But then watching how he says certain things, you're like, oh my God, he's, he doesn't lie at all, he never lied the whole time. And he, you listen to his answers and you're like, holy shit, he didn't lie at all, he was answering truthfully. But it was obscure enough to where you didn't pick up on it as a casual fan, I guess. But then when it gets revealed, and now, seeing it back, it's like oh yes.
Speaker 2:Man, I don't know why I'm having such a hard time convincing myself to watch it.
Speaker 1:Well, if you like to watch shows that have multiple seasons to watch, it's hard to get into a series. Yeah, but I think what they're coming out with. Correct me if I'm wrong, daniel, but I think they're coming out with three episodes at once, which I'm really excited about. It's also been like two and a half years since the first season. Has it been that long already?
Speaker 2:No, shit, I know I was just thinking in my head wow, they're already season two.
Speaker 1:Let me look that up, because I think it was two and a half years. Two and a half years, yeah, okay, I really enjoyed the show. Yeah 2022. So September.
Speaker 2:Okay, so just I guess two years, almost two years.
Speaker 1:I guess two years since it first came out, man, oh, it was going to be, because they originally said it was going to come out in 2025, and then they're doing it early. I don't know. Listen, I know it didn't seemingly go over well. I always was a big fan of it.
Speaker 2:I always was a big fan of it.
Speaker 1:I always was a big supporter. I thought it was really good.
Speaker 2:You've always defended it.
Speaker 3:So would you recommend, like, if me or Kyle were to watch it, should we look up or like, should we skip all the Harfoot?
Speaker 1:It's still going to be in Season 2 storyline, so I definitely would watch it through and make your own assumptions. You guys being such story-driven people, you might go. I love it, I love it, I love it.
Speaker 3:It's like Baldur's Gage is trash.
Speaker 2:I like. Just because I like a good story doesn't mean I like story for the sake of story, so good story, Keep story. Oh yeah, I love this 30 minutes of nothing happening, so good story, keep storying. Oh yeah, I love this 30 minutes of nothing happening, but good dialogue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like, literally, them walking through a forest and there's this Bran, there's a yeah, literally. And there's this dude that doesn't speak, that comes in on a fucking meteor, hodor, and then follows them around yeah, basically, but then he has these crazy powers and then there them around yeah, basically, but then he has these crazy powers. And then there's this sexy bald chick that tries to fuck him up and you think that she's Sauron, but she's not. She's not sexy, by the way, but she looks like she's very ugly.
Speaker 2:by the way, she's not sexy.
Speaker 1:There was memes about it, because she's very, I guess, tomboyish.
Speaker 2:I don't know how you would describe it, but very male-esque. Any females on TV shows these days? They get eviscerated for no reason.
Speaker 1:I know you should have seen the memes that came out from this shit. It was just like oh, that's mommy. All that shit that people simp to Her character was this big?
Speaker 2:Anyway, she really comes in in just like one episode Physically that big, so small, like even the hobbits would step on her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they did.
Speaker 4:No this big. In the grander story she is Thumbelina.
Speaker 1:We have no idea what that cult was, who they were sent by. I guess there might be some lore that you can look up, but to be honest, I think a lot of people were confused at the time of release. It wasn't that interesting, the whole thing just sucked. It was not done well, it really wasn't. I think what they're trying to do is that this guy is Gandalf, but I really don't want that to be Gandalf's origin story at all.
Speaker 1:I guess it kind of makes sense because he's always had a soft spot for hobbits at all. I guess it kind of makes sense because he's always had a soft spot for hobbits. But no, don't no, make him one of the blue wizards, because that story is like has no lore and just no what. You will offend no one if you do it that way. They've already offended a lot of people, so well, fuck them all those people that are upset are still going to watch oh, and you know what?
Speaker 2:they probably don't care, they're just gonna do it, and you?
Speaker 1:know what uh amazon prime has done. That's pissed me off. What amazon prime? You can no longer watch anything on there for free with no ads. Yeah, everything has an ad now. Now you have to pay an extra three dollars a month to watch no ads I'm already paying for the service they did, went to hulu route and of course I did it because I was not about to watch eight episodes. I'll cancel it, but I was not about to watch eight episodes in a row, with every 15 minutes a four-minute cut to add.
Speaker 1:I'm not adding an hour of my. I'm trying to binge this, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's Gandalf. Who do you think it is then, Daniel?
Speaker 3:I'm curious Are you talking? About the big guy that's like forest dude with and he's like forest, he's got a bunch of leaves and shit all over him.
Speaker 3:He looks messy from from, like the hobbit, or from, no, from from rings of power yeah yes, I'm talking about him yeah, the only reason I know that is I watched, you know those vfx artists react, corridor digital, and they like reviewed the scene to see like they were trying to figure out if he was, if they use the force perspective or if they use cg in that because there's a scene where the hobbit and him are. They are together and I guess it was a mixture of both or something well he.
Speaker 1:Some people have thought, maybe he's radagast because he like Radagon, no Radagast, I think that was his name.
Speaker 2:The wizard, he doesn't even like question, he just corrects you. No Radagast, radagast, Radagon no Radagast, and I think that he Well, I'm in my own fucking head.
Speaker 1:I'm going on a story time.
Speaker 2:That's the same thing he did when we talked about the Little. He was like. No, I mean like. Little importance, not size. We know what you meant. I'm trying to riff.
Speaker 1:She wants to detour every two minutes. Keep up, boys.
Speaker 3:Just please laugh at our jokes.
Speaker 1:I'll do the sad cringe. Laugh so you think it's Gandalf, laugh so you think it's gandalf or you don't.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's gandalf. People are assuming it's gandalf. I don't want it to be gandalf either, but I don't think it is. I think that would just be weird. First off, to introduce gandalf in that way, feel like he should have been around for a lot longer. Um, it would be weird that he came in on a meteor. Um, I would rather that him be one of the blue, like superman yeah, very strange, comes in as an alien um, I would rather it be one of the blue wizards and it's like uh, one of like uh I.
Speaker 1:Nor eru eru luvitar himself sending in an angel to help support Middle-Earth through this fight. I would love to see something like that of that being the story.
Speaker 3:What's the wizard that was left out of Lord of the Rings that everybody talked to Tom Bombadil? No he's not one of those wizards.
Speaker 2:He's not a wizard. No he's not like the blue or the brown I was going to say, maybe it's him.
Speaker 1:Tom Bombadil is actually in one of the trailers. I'm pretty sure he's going to be making an appearance in this show, which would be really cool because he is an interesting enigma in that whole world.
Speaker 2:It's weird that they just completely ignored his existence in the movies. I don't think they could have told those. I don't know how well it would have lined up with their vision for the films.
Speaker 1:Right. If I think about the film, it's like they introduced this crazy immortal being randomly and then he bounces. It would just seem kind of crazy. Uh, the doom scene more powerful than gandalf. Well see, that's the interesting thing. So like I. So I hear that criticism, and if I was to play devil's advocate for that to the people who say it is gandalf, gandalf reserves his power because his, like, whole mission is to interact with or intervene with middle earth like this, this much, not little in size, but in in in reality in reality, in reality, little, no, no, no are you happy that I laugh?
Speaker 1:yeah, there we go that really I
Speaker 1:feel different about it I feel a different cause. Like this fucking loser, um, this guy, no, so, um, if I'm playing devil's advocate there, I, this guy, is so fresh off the spawn that, like I think he's trying to learn, like he didn't even know he had powers, like he's like a grown old man, baby, so I feel like he's trying he's still trying to figure out scale and scope for what the fuck he can do. The guy just sort of was dropped into place. We'll see. I don't think it's Gandalf, I hope they do one of the blue ones.
Speaker 2:Gandalf's power levels are so all over the place, though, too. It's so hard to measure what he can and can't do. Sometimes he seems super OP and then other times he's just a normal dude with a staff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean he's beating orcs with the butt of his staff, but then goes out and solos the drakes or whatever from the dragon drakes? What are those things? The Knight Riders or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, where he like takes on the he. Oh God, what I I'm forgetting there. The.
Speaker 2:Lich King, the, the Lich King right or the basically he's like in one scene he's not doing much and then the other he's fighting an epic battle, falling. He's fighting an epic battle falling, you know, oh, the balrog well, balrog, I'm just like just stuff like that he's falling down the cliffs fighting him, uh, and then in others he's not, and then, like in the hobbit, he randomly can just catch things on fire and throw it, and like I'm just confused on like what he can, and especially after he fights the balrog, he levels up you know whatever, and he comes back.
Speaker 3:And I mean as as a movie. When I watched it recently it was kind of disappointing that his staff gets broke like within and at 40 minutes so apparently that is one of the biggest criticisms of the movie portrayal.
Speaker 1:Is that scene where I think it's the lich king or the wraith, the wraith king of angmar, whatever the fuck his name is, the? Leader of the nine um of the nazgul, when he screams and shatters his staff.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, you're talking about yeah and he's guarding pippin or whatever apparently that is one of the most controversial scenes because it's it's so inappropriate and taken out of context, I guess, of what actually happened in the well that that scene was actually cut from the the film oh, is it really that's only an extended that's part of the extended and so that doesn't actually happen in the the canon movie and you wouldn't even really, because you don't even really notice, for the rest of the film he's not holding it like they actually cut that out and so the if you watch the extended version, that is not something that was intended to be left in well, so why like, why did it break or why is that miss?
Speaker 1:I? I think that's the criticism. Is that like because he was the white wizard? It?
Speaker 1:was a mistake leveled him and it was a bad interpretation of like what should have happened there, because I guess it it was supposed to be like more of a dialogue. Um, and gandalf apparently has like a line in which he strikes fear in the. The lich king. I think it's the lich king, I don't fucking know. I'm gonna call him the lich King. I think it's the Lich King, I don't fucking know. I'm going to call him the Lich King, though I'm defining it now.
Speaker 2:Is it the Witch?
Speaker 1:King. Is it the Witch King? The Lich King is from World of Warcraft.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Lich King is World of Warcraft.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's the.
Speaker 2:Witch King, who looks a lot like the Witch King. Yeah, right, the Lich.
Speaker 1:It's a little on the nose, they're very similar, dude. Let's be honest. At least in design they look very similar. I wonder what took inspiration from what? Because those movies came out first? That's interesting.
Speaker 2:I know they kind of pull on that. Lich King definitely came out after.
Speaker 1:Lord of the Rings. Yeah Well, world of Warcraft, did you know?
Speaker 2:like that's Well, I mean the movie came out before World of Warcraft was even a 2004,. I think is when World of Warcraft launched.
Speaker 1:The movies were done by 2003, 2004. But it's not like.
Speaker 2:World of Warcraft doesn't do that. I mean, there was the whole mists of Pandaria that looked like Kung Fu Panda.
Speaker 3:Straight up.
Speaker 2:Obviously they take inspiration from other media. The Witch King of Angmar, I think?
Speaker 1:yeah, like you know, right up they obviously they take inspiration from from the witch, the witch king of angmar, I think okay.
Speaker 1:But I think gandalf has a line there, uh, and the shriek he's supposed to push back and the witch king kind of is like whoa, I'm kind of afraid of his power. But then his uh, one of the nazgul uh things that he rides I don't know the name of the dragon yeah, the dragon thing shrieks and his horse freaks out, which is like his horse is like the god of all horses and he's he kind of like steps back. So the way it's written it's like impossible to tell on screen, like in in a film, and so they just did it with like shattering the spear or his staff. So I loosely that story is somewhat correct. I don't know how accurate that is, like down to the detail, because I never read the book, but, um, from what I understand, that is one of the most hotly debated scenes of how that works yeah, because I mean, well, like you were talking that to me as a viewer that didn't read the books, didn't you know?
Speaker 3:I don't know much about the lore and I didn't know. That was only. I only watched the extended cut. I was looking at that. I was like I thought he got an upgrade. He's kind of doing nothing. Well, yeah, I mean I mean gandalf.
Speaker 2:Still they wouldn't have done anything without him.
Speaker 3:But it's like what this fucking dragon breaks his cool staff.
Speaker 1:I also feel like they should have. That whole last battle is pretty epic, super epic, but they did nothing to prep.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, isn't that? The big complaint Is that Aragorn brought in the ghost army out of nowhere. Yeah, the ghost army is like it was the ghosts in the shell.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was so such a cheat code, but like no, they have this huge field.
Speaker 2:I released you and they leave or whatever. Um, which I get, he's a man of his word, but like you couldn't hold on to him a little bit longer for that final battle. I know there's still another fight after this.
Speaker 1:But the White City out, and I forget the official name of it. It sounds like Tiramisu or something like that.
Speaker 2:It's something similar Minas Tirith Minas.
Speaker 1:Tirith, there you go, tiramisu. They have that massive field. They could have trenched that, put oil in the field, leached it with something. They did nothing and then this army just fade stages right in front of it it's like that's the fault of the steward. He wasn't no, I, I get that yeah it's just so.
Speaker 2:It's such a failure. It's a den of. I think that was the whole point is there's a failure of man and they needed uh rohan to to save them because they didn't know what they were doing. Gondor was all over the place out of bad king or steward and they should have overthrew him as ruler, but they didn't, and so that's why it escalated to that. But I love that scene where he's about to burn him and his son alive because he's all crazy or whatever.
Speaker 2:Fucking all the oil goes out and somehow he survives long enough to run like three football field lengths and then falls off the edge of the tower into the battle.
Speaker 1:He does that and Gandalf immediately assumes power and is like go back to your stations, let's go. It's like boom, all right, and then everyone's with him. So this is another thing. That's go, it's like boom, all right, and then everyone's with them. So there's. This is another thing that's impossible to show on film, but apparently Aragorn was like by far and away the greatest swordsman in Middle-earth, from what I understand. Or if not the greatest, like one of the greatest.
Speaker 3:He's like revered.
Speaker 1:Revered swordsman and the extra scene where he goes and talks to the mouth of Sauron at the gates of the, at the Black Gate, cuts the head off. Yeah, when he cuts the head off apparently. So like that's the mouth of Sauron, right? So he has a direct connection with with Sauron. Apparently in the books the way it's described is, when that meeting happens, like the mouth is mouthing off to the group. But then he makes eye contact with aragorn and he actually starts to like get nervous he didn't realize like aragorn was with them and he's like, oh fuck, and like he's starting to like kind of backpedal and like it's obvious he's being shaken up by his just his aura right His aura is fucking with him and talk about how much more of an impact from the books that's able to have as a weight of a scene.
Speaker 1:when you're thinking about, that's Sauron, basically, and Sauron's intimidated by this fucking guy because of his aura. He's fucking Arag aura. He's fucking Aragorn. He's Aragorn baby. Way to risk the entire fate of humanity, that Frodo's climbing the mountain at that exact moment. We need a distraction. Let's just go to war. After the worst war, the two worst wars in all of Middle-earth, we're going to go to another battle.
Speaker 2:Gimli says what are we waiting for?
Speaker 1:I wish they had more dwarves to help.
Speaker 2:It's just like just Gimli it is.
Speaker 1:We need that attitude in this shit.
Speaker 2:I never thought I'd die Standing side by side with an elf. What about side by side with a friend? It still makes me tear up Such a good one.
Speaker 3:I mean.
Speaker 2:I could do that.
Speaker 3:I want more Aragorn Gimli and Legolas Well that's what I love about Rings of Power.
Speaker 1:It's one of the best storylines.
Speaker 3:It's Elrond who is played by the guy from Scientology, elrond Hubbard. He's awesome.
Speaker 1:I love that guy Talks about the god Xenu Big time In the Lord of the Rings, it's Scientology.
Speaker 4:It's like science.
Speaker 2:Butology.
Speaker 1:But not no, when. Where the fuck was I going with that Elrond, the guy from the Matrix, what the fuck is his name? But not no, when, where the fuck was.
Speaker 4:I going with that.
Speaker 1:Elrond, the guy from the Matrix. What the fuck is his name? He's a stud actor.
Speaker 2:The Red Skull from yeah Red.
Speaker 1:Skull and the main antagonist in the Matrix.
Speaker 3:Whoever that is.
Speaker 1:Mr Smith, yes.
Speaker 3:He's in the show.
Speaker 1:He's in the show because elves live. They're immortal beings right.
Speaker 1:And he has a relationship with, like durin, who is the uh, like the prince of uh, of kaza doom, and uh, their relationship between elf and dwarf is just so much fun. And the dwarves end up saving spoilers, saving the well, it's inferred, I guess. I guess we don't know. No, I know it does portray out, but like they save, um, the elves, because the elves were dying and, uh, like their, their light was fading and they started mining mithril, mithril and uh, it saved the elf, it saved the elves. But that's also how saran, for it shows saran forging the rings hugo weaving super.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go, thank you so it's so good man, I really enjoy hugo weaving is still elrond. No no, no, it's. I thought it's a different guy.
Speaker 1:Which didn't he say like it's the same guy, because they live forever well, it's elrond, but not hugo weaving okay I thought I was trying to get you to know which character, because I know you yeah seen it like once or maybe twice I know, who elrond is okay, elrond yeah, he created scientology but uh, yeah, it's played by a different guy who I originally was like this is a terrible cast.
Speaker 3:He is so won me over, he's so good well, because I was gonna say wait, they recast or they have.
Speaker 1:Glad you're being this younger girl, but they didn't make hugo so gladriel's portrayal of gladriel was one of the most contested things and I think she's learned her lesson, is going to change it up completely. She was way too hardcore. She played it like Galadriel was on a fucking death crusade and you couldn't. She was as bad as Sauron in terms of her motivations and shit and she played this line and it was like this is not Galadriel, and so I think she's going to pull that way the fuck back in the next season. I mean the writers.
Speaker 1:I was talking about this to my wife. She did this. The actress, yes, Her lines. My wife and I roleplayed Wing wing. Nothing happened. I'm gladadriel. She delivers pretty plain lines, but with this tone of just fucking anger and aggravation to where if she just said it with eloquence and being a fucking elven priestess, basically she's one of the highest ranking elves. She's one of the highest ranking elves. She's like the commander of the northern armies and she just does everything. She's so pissed off. She rides this red line throttle.
Speaker 2:She had to have been given direction.
Speaker 1:In this story, though, she's not the commander, yet no, she's the commander of the northern armies. She goes on this she's legit.
Speaker 3:I thought it was like a younger.
Speaker 1:Well, no she's the commander of the northern armies.
Speaker 3:She goes on this the whole. She's already. Yeah, she's legit. I thought it was like a younger you know like well, she's untrained, proving herself no this is so.
Speaker 2:That's a one thing that people are upset about is the timeline broke canon, I guess, because it's not nearly as old as it should be. They said it's only like a certain amount of years before lord of the Rings. I don't know exactly if it's too old or not old enough, but somehow the timeline, the canon, was ruined. Because of that they changed it. I remember reading that criticism really early on.
Speaker 1:I think it's in the beginning of the Second Age.
Speaker 2:I don't know if that was retconned or if people misunderstood or if it was fixed in any way, but I remember reading that people were upset that the canon timeline was altered. It wasn't where it should be.
Speaker 1:Well, I think we're at least 1,000 years before Lord of the Rings and before the Hobbit. I think we're like yeah, I think it's at the beginning of the second age, because the second age is like the first stage is over, uh, you know, morgoth's been defeated, and then this is the second age, which is like when saron sort of rises, and then the beginning of the third age is when the sealer cuts off his finger, yeah, and they do that whole thing.
Speaker 4:so I think it's like cast it into the fire, you bitch no, get back here, that scene.
Speaker 1:He just watches him like he could have stopped him. It's so much more impactful when you understand why they don't because the elves are tied to that magic.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that magic is what. That's the magic that they used. They use, used that power to keep their cities like thriving. The elves are dying. That's what you learned in this lore. It's like they're slowly dying without that magic and that's one of the cool things to kind of understand about. Middle Earth is like when you see, when you happen upon Rivendell, and it's like this epically beautiful landscape. The reason why it's still there is because it has that magic and that land is like protected, but the rest of middle earth is slowly like dying out and so that's like he's telling him to do that, but I don't think in their hearts because that that that is like super corrupt. If I think they want like that's why the elves sort of take this weird stance of like passiveness towards it, because they are thriving on that same magic. So it's.
Speaker 2:It's an interesting dynamic. Really quickly like even like gladiatorial, like she even like she like got weirded out by like only a matter of minutes and she was like starting to get all but like I don't know what it is. Why are hobbits so immune to the allure?
Speaker 1:Because they're stoners Because they're stoners.
Speaker 3:They fried their brain, their brain fried.
Speaker 2:So like, whatever man Get this ring taken care of, or what.
Speaker 1:They just don't care.
Speaker 3:I would love if they acted like that, Like man whatever.
Speaker 2:What's up dog? Desproto's love if they acted like that, like man, whatever, what's up dog, just frodo's like bro.
Speaker 4:We gotta walk that's what's up, man that's crazy sam's like come on, bro, I can't carry the ring but I can carry you carry you dog, mr frodo, like what are we doing here?
Speaker 2:come on, let's go Yo, what's up.
Speaker 1:Riding on a horse.
Speaker 2:I'm going alone, sam Dude.
Speaker 1:I know you are man, but I'm hella coming with you, Dude, no cap bro, but like one more step, this is like the farthest that I've been from home. Dude, no cap. It actually kind of fits, literally. No, it's, yeah, it's super weird uh yeah but they use that photo, had it like for how long the journey take.
Speaker 1:They said like two years or something, and he cast it in 18 months and then a fucking asilu had it for like two minutes and he's like no, no, this is mine, well, galadriel's line, where you know she's like I would have been a queen, and she does that like very crazy ghost in rings, yeah that line was told her by sauron in rings of power, because he falls in love with her.
Speaker 1:It's so good, man, you guys need to watch. It's so good, he falls in love with her and he wants, he wants. He said I will bind, you, will bind me to good and I will bind you to power. Because she's so power driven this whole time and he's like with you by my side, you know like we will, we can rule, and it'll be like, it'll be good, uh, like it'll be a good thing. And, um, what is like power of the flesh, or power over flesh, or something like that. And he was like what's the difference? And she's like, god, no, it's like it turns this whole thing.
Speaker 1:And it's like, okay, that's all it took, you were right there, but then that's what's your but, he's like, I will have you, I will make you my queen or whatever she basically says, that line and I'm like, oh my, my God, it's such great writing, it's so good, what's?
Speaker 2:uh, so I I am curious, because you seem to be, I'm curious as well. I'm just curious, you know just tell me everything Like no cap bro, no cap man Sam. Come on, bro. You seem to be very like infatuated with a good story when it comes to like television and movies, but when it comes to games, you don't give a shit. I don't give, and I understand, like why I watch a movie to be immersed in the story.
Speaker 1:I play a game to play the fucking game but why can't you just? Play a game to be immersed in the story, because that's not why I'm there. I'm playing, I'm the opposite.
Speaker 2:I don't really like stories in movies, I just like action.
Speaker 1:I also, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2:I also get really cringed out. I like all movies. Who am I kidding?
Speaker 1:I hate dialogue options. I get really cringed out that I'm that person.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I was reliving Ghost of Tsushima after I found out it was going to be on this show and I was watching somebody play it and that intro oh my god. The intro is one of the best title drops in any games ever. It's so well done. And you do this whole building up and then you are completely controlling the character. But you end up, you know, taking your horse into this like field, and Jen like slowly leans down.
Speaker 2:He's like hitting his hand running his hand through the tall grass and it like drops the title and has this epic music. And I'm like this is so incredible and I do remember in that moment watching and thinking Billy wouldn't give a fuck. I'd be like I'd be trying to skip it. He's like what do you mean this is?
Speaker 1:unskippable I don't know, I play a game. To play the game I. I watch a movie to watch, like be immersed in the story. But I yeah, so you don't like interactive agency in the story. I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 3:Like you don't like to be in a participating part of the story you like to observe.
Speaker 1:No, I Take the story out, I don't care. No, I mean like in a movie. No, what I'm saying is like if I can choose, or if I'm there, like listening to other people, and like I'm just, like I'm not the commander, like I'm the lieutenant or whatever. Both can be good, both can suck. That's not the problem. The problem is I play a game to play the game. I'm not playing the game when I'm listening to pre-recorded dialogue options that every other million players have had. It doesn't feel like it's my story.
Speaker 2:There's millions of people that watch your TV shows.
Speaker 1:I don't know what it does, man.
Speaker 3:You can't view it as a movie? Yeah, I know you can't view it as a movie.
Speaker 1:Not even close. No, not even close.
Speaker 3:I have to admit, besides Ghost of Tsushima, one game that I think would be the closest for you would probably be Last of Us. The way it's handled, especially two, maybe not two, maybe one more because it's more linear, um, but I feel like that's a lot more. It's more like a movie in how you play it I don't think that's a selling point for him I know so in games. Let me tell you how bad it is I think it's probably the negative, like it's the opposite.
Speaker 1:it drives them away from that If it's not a cutscene and it's like an open world dialogue. I will see how far I can get away from the open world dialogue to where it will still trigger the event of them talking. So I can continue down that while I'm doing the next part of the thing, so I can hustle it all along. Why? Because I don't care. Why are you like this? I, I literally I could give a fuck. I'm there to play the game.
Speaker 3:What's the combat like? What's wrong with them I?
Speaker 1:just I want to have fun playing the game. I don't care, that's like the new gilbert's 2 janitor wilds. Like it's all fucking bear dialogue and I know people are just going oh, it's a cute fuzzy bear and I'm like, get me back to playing the game. I want to try. Try the new weapon now. How do I get that loot? What do I go and do that's?
Speaker 3:so interesting I can't even rap.
Speaker 2:Last week, the very first thing. So I turned on, I got to the hotel and I was about to fall asleep because it was later, it was on a different time zone, and I was like, oh, let me check them out and see what they're talking. And I opened up and the very first thing I heard was balder's gate doesn't even have strategy. It's the worst gameplay I've ever experienced in a game and I'm like you cannot like the game.
Speaker 1:That's a fucking wild ass take I don't think I said it had. It has no strategy, but it has less strategy even dylan was like no strategy really.
Speaker 2:And you were like no, you're so passionate in that mode, but I do also think you're rage baiting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a little bit but the uh yeah, I don't need to go into that, rehashing that dialogue, but I had less than divinity original sin, in my opinion, in terms of optionality within the combat, but anyway, regardless um, that's funny, I didn't.
Speaker 2:I wasn't like offended personally, I'm offended I'm. You're offended that I'm not. You're offended that I'm not offended, I'm offended that you're not offended. All right. Well, it sounds like you want to be offended about something.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to bait you and it didn't work. If you don't start that with master.
Speaker 2:I don't want to hear it. Damn it.
Speaker 1:Master, I baited you, yeah man. I don't care about any of that. I don't know what it like. I don't give a fuck about games.
Speaker 2:I mean honestly I'm at a point now where I don't even really care to even have a debate with you around it like I just accept that, that's who you are and I I can't.
Speaker 3:Well, it's like I can't my my brain's not wired that like I.
Speaker 2:The way you game is not fun to me, but I don't really care, as long as you're having fun that's what gaming's about.
Speaker 1:There's definitely games that we can play together. That's fun and I can appreciate this.
Speaker 2:If I have to open up a spreadsheet to play a game, I'm not gaming, I'm working, I love it.
Speaker 1:I was just in one today. Actually, I could still definitely appreciate Mass Effect story. But I'll tell you this I don't remember my playthrough of Mass Effect. I remember synopsis videos that I watched after the fact on what the story is. Then I can engage with the story, but I want to play the game. That's what I'm playing the game for. I don't want to Wow, look at that. They did a really good job on that ship. Oh, look at that.
Speaker 3:Like me and Kyle do that. We're like I'm standing in the Citadel watching the shitty CG ships fly by Wow.
Speaker 4:Incredible.
Speaker 2:What an immersive world, so immersive Like Mass Effect 1, where it's like a 2D image flying by the flat window.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just don't. It doesn't do anything for me, like I wish you could, if I could transfer my brain chemistry in you just for like one mission, so you could experience like how little I care about it. It's like it doesn't even register.
Speaker 1:I don't think that would entice me to want to do that it fucks me up sometimes, because there's like a lot of missions where you have to listen to what they're saying so you know what to do. But, like that's why I usually wait. I try to see if there's like a quest log or something like defeat the two lieutenants or whatever, and then it's like, okay, that's what I'm going to do.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. Imagine Billy playing a game like like detroit, become human until dawn, or he couldn't. There's no way no if you're in a group setting, maybe if we're like playing as like a group of friends, but like just sitting by yourself, playing like a narrative film is basically what those move, those games are I feel like a lab rat when I talk to you guys.
Speaker 1:You guys are the research scientists.
Speaker 3:We fucked up on this one.
Speaker 1:What happened with this poor bastard? I think that actually it's so foreign to you guys?
Speaker 3:I don't. Yeah, I can't. As a human, I can empathize. I cannot put myself in that headspace. It's not normal.
Speaker 2:I think that's actually a lot more common than um that we're giving credit for. I think the problem is is just you're outnumbered in this small group yeah, but I think that there's a shit ton of people that are just like you sports gamers. It's just that. Of the three of us, you're the outlier yeah that doesn't mean that it's an uncommon thing. The way that you game. I mean obviously not with how many millions of people play like games that are like that yeah, you know so well.
Speaker 1:I know people that have literally thousands upon thousands of hours of givers too, and they're like I don't really know what the story is is me neither, but we're having fun they've got thousands hours in the game. Good point with the store, the sports game. There's no yeah story whatsoever.
Speaker 3:It's just all content, all gameplay, all game. And I wonder who's gonna win this season and madden like well, they play the the what, the season mode or whatever, where it's like you have the fake coach, you have the fake draft and, like you're, you sometimes create a character and you have to get drafted. It's more of a management sim instead of a story.
Speaker 2:There are some games that I can get behind playing just for the sake of gameplay. I think a fun platformer, guitar Hero, guitar Hero, astro Bot. You're not playing Astro Bot for the story, you're playing it for the Mario games. I would never say that I exclusively play games for the story. I'm just saying that's a very big contributing factor, big part of your enjoyment.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's not like Mario Peach got stolen again and I'm like no.
Speaker 2:God.
Speaker 4:That's to me.
Speaker 2:It's the meme Like Bowser takes Peach away, he's like he can't keep getting away with it.
Speaker 4:Takes Peach away.
Speaker 2:He's like he can't keep getting away with it.
Speaker 1:But that, for me, is why Elden Ring is a perfect game, because the story is not thrust upon you, it sort of just unfolds.
Speaker 2:But it gives you enough lore for a guy like me to really sink my teeth into.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then I can go and watch an hour-long video and be like, wow, that's really amazing. Then that's there you go. I've got if I was interested enough in a game like where I kind of want to pay attention to it. I've never watched a synopsis video of guild wars, though that's kind of funny.
Speaker 4:I'm just that is funny with how much time you put in it's just because it's.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's fucking written for weirdos. I don't know. It's such a weird story, dude.
Speaker 2:Can't be any weirder than a FromSoft game.
Speaker 1:It's also they have, like they lose their identity because, like the whole point in Guild Wars is, in Guild Wars 2 specifically, you're fighting elder dragons and then it turns into you're like fighting them and you don't know why, and then like even the npcs are saying we don't know why, and then like you realize like you're killing that all like the source of energy in the world, and then you raise your own elder dragon and it's like what the fuck is? Okay, I don't care about this, I don't, whatever that's pretty cool actually.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you be you, I'm gonna go do my thing.
Speaker 2:What if that was the secret? You've been trying to get me to play Guild Wars for 20 years.
Speaker 4:They have dragons.
Speaker 2:And you just tell me five seconds of story and I'm like hooked.
Speaker 4:That sounds amazing.
Speaker 2:I'm playing tonight. I become a lore master, but terrible at the game.
Speaker 1:Dude the shit that people there are definitely deep lore nerds in that fucking game. Oh my god, they can tell you the help text from a random stick in the open world. And you're like, what the fuck? There's this game show that one of the content creators hosts and he'll ask the craziest questions and people know this shit. And you're like, why do you know that? Like what it was? Like the hint of a collection item, hinted at a brother of this druid and you have to know his name. You're like what the fuck? How do you know that? Yeah, anyway, dude, dude.
Speaker 1:Dude, let's take care of this or what Come on.
Speaker 2:Frodo. Let's like take care of this.
Speaker 4:Come on.
Speaker 2:Frodo, let's go. It's like not even stoned anymore, it's just like.
Speaker 1:I got the fucking munchies. You want some llama spread?
Speaker 3:So good, just eat a little bit. Just chill the fuck out, bro. It's like from.
Speaker 2:Beverly Hills. It's like getting worse. The accent is getting thicker and thicker, like so lambda spread man I'm gonna say it fucking fire I don't care that you broke your arm I don't care that you broke your elbow. Yeah, no, I don't know that you don't know that, you don't know, you know what I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 3:I don't care that that means you don't know, that you don't know.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm going to say it I don't care that you broke your elbow, you've never seen it. No, it's actually like this kid is getting bullied. Yeah, he's like bullying is not a joke. All right, let me make that clear.
Speaker 4:Thank you.
Speaker 2:But he's getting made fun of or whatever he's like. You know what I'm going to say it I don't care that you broke your elbow and the guy's like what. It's kind of sad because in his head you know that he was like. He thought this was going to be like a big drop. You know like oh, oh, but it was not Like. The reaction was not like that.
Speaker 3:But what I was really going to say is it's a little controversial. You're not going to watch season 2. No, I know it's going to launch a crap throwing party At Dylan by both of us, by both of you.
Speaker 1:Hold on. What do we Ignite over him? There's like two things.
Speaker 2:I know that traditionally he doesn't like high fantasy. He's more of a sci-fi guy. That's not that okay. So it's not that games or film games games. Okay, uh, you pokemon big hater he doesn't actually like Mass Effect. That would be a coming out party so when me and him first became friends at work, I said I like Mass Effect and he wanted to be a friend of me. So he was like I like Mass Effect too, and he's been having to live this lie ever since I've watched eight hours of synopsis videos.
Speaker 1:Every night to refresh, just in case he gets brought up. And now he's coming clean. I don't think I have a clue but go ahead.
Speaker 3:I was going to say because Baldur's Gate hooked me.
Speaker 1:Okay, right, remember I tried it. It ruined you.
Speaker 3:For other men it didn't hook me, but then I tried it and eventually I got hooked. What if we go back to Divinity 2?
Speaker 1:Original Sin.
Speaker 3:Yeah, now that I know how to play those games.
Speaker 1:Well, was it you and I that played, or was it you and I that played through the first act.
Speaker 2:I've always committed with you.
Speaker 1:And he never showed up.
Speaker 2:Every time the three of us say we're going to do something, I always stick it out with you and then you get bored because he never joins, and then I end up playing by myself.
Speaker 1:And then I'm like, all right.
Speaker 2:I'm done.
Speaker 1:We had what was our squad party.
Speaker 2:I was the sorcerer, you were the rogue, you were the warrior, but I don't think it was called a warrior Los or something like that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh my god, yeah, some redhead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah, I'd say maybe we try again.
Speaker 1:Are you wanting to? Yeah?
Speaker 3:well, that was my biggest thing is the combat right.
Speaker 2:No, his biggest thing, my computer. It sucks. It sucks, that's what he said every time.
Speaker 3:Now I got a Steam Deck.
Speaker 1:Somehow that's going to run it better than your computer. No, but the screen's smaller, so you don't care as much yeah, um, but yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3:I'm just thinking because you don't want to play baldur's gate with us.
Speaker 2:You hate the game so much that you you guys, worst game ever made, so blowing we still need to play baldur's gate.
Speaker 1:We need to finish it. Yeah, no, we need to finish it, I'm wait I love watching your playthrough.
Speaker 2:Yes, uh you should totally finish that playthrough we should, we should we got. I mean, we're like what, like 15 hours in, like it's not, like we're pretty far, yeah. Yeah, there's like three or four strings we've already committed to our relationships. I have carlack and he's got shadow hurt shadow bay.
Speaker 1:Shadow bay. Carlack is too much of a demon woman. She's just a big teddy bear though she's a softyie.
Speaker 2:You like being pegged.
Speaker 1:I like to look at a human if I'm doing it.
Speaker 3:Not Lae'zel, I don't need a devil woman.
Speaker 2:Shadowheart's human enough to get away with it.
Speaker 3:How is she human enough?
Speaker 2:She's not any less human than Liara.
Speaker 3:Shadowheart's half-elf. Shadowheart's not human.
Speaker 2:I mean, she's half-human. She doesn't look any less human than.
Speaker 4:Liara would in Mass Effect or Tali.
Speaker 1:Tali's got a mask, so it softens the blow. Why am I? On You're on Google Shopping.
Speaker 3:How do I get out of?
Speaker 1:this category.
Speaker 2:We're buying a Bazel sweater.
Speaker 1:I can't get out of that, couldn't get out of that, that's weird.
Speaker 3:You should hit alt B or something.
Speaker 2:Do you remember what you?
Speaker 1:don't remember what Lazel looks like. No, I'm going to pull it up for the stream.
Speaker 2:Hot With the bats note.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't. I guess I'm here's a photo of Lazel I guess I'm thinking of. I guess I'm here's a photo of Lazo I guess I'm thinking of. I think I'm thinking of Karlak the big brawny one, the red yeah, that's.
Speaker 2:Karlak. Karlak is the one that I'm oh, is that who you said?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I thought. Okay, I don't think that's how you spell it, but You're close.
Speaker 2:Look at her when she's not in fight mode though.
Speaker 3:Is that an MMA fighter.
Speaker 1:What do you want here, yeah?
Speaker 3:you don't find her attractive? No, All right. Well, to each their own Big dummy mommy. That's the point, yeah.
Speaker 2:I feel like you would love a woman to pick you up into bed, carry you into bed at night. If only that's a mod. That's like AI. Oh, that's just art.
Speaker 1:That's not Stable diffusion. I guess it's not as bad as I thought.
Speaker 3:What did? Did you think she was?
Speaker 1:some type. There you go. Yeah, that's what she looks like I thought she had horns coming out of her forehead. She does.
Speaker 3:One of them is shaved off, one is broke. Do you not see the horns? Not really. Not really Do you see the human-fied?
Speaker 1:Go down. I don't see, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3:So she does Go down.
Speaker 1:There's a human version. Yeah, I'm just not really feeling it, guys. Do you like that?
Speaker 3:version better.
Speaker 1:I don't like this shit one better which one go down? Keep going, keep going keep going, keep going right side, right here yep, this looks like every rocker model of yeah, like, insert female warrior here. Like, there you go insert female warrior here.
Speaker 3:There you go. That's carlack without the red and the horns yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Alright, so You're specious. What about Lae's elf?
Speaker 1:No man, I want a human. Give me Shadowheart Shadowheart's half elf. Yeah but elves Of the spectrum Of other species, elves and humans are pretty fucking close Because she doesn't look like, yes, a demon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't know you were that shallow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let me guess you like to save right before you get to bang Astarian or whatever his name is in bear form.
Speaker 4:Or whoever.
Speaker 1:Paulson.
Speaker 2:Paulson in bear form. Astarian is the vampire.
Speaker 1:There you go.
Speaker 2:Whatever the bear is, I'll have you know that there's no character I haven't romanced in Baller's Gate. I've tried them all.
Speaker 4:I have not Each time I try.
Speaker 3:I'm like damn Shadowheart, shadow, shadowbay.
Speaker 2:I always do this thing where I tease all of the characters in Act 1 and then, when it comes time to make a commitment, I'm like oh dammit, I like them all.
Speaker 1:Because they immediately shun you too, like oh, you didn't spend the night with me, fuck you.
Speaker 2:Shatterheart, the one that takes the. I also just had a curiosity what do they respond like? If you break up with them? The one that takes it the hardest, karlak actually Shatter. If you break up with them the one that takes it the hardest, karlak actually Shadowheart's like she's kind of hurt, but then immediately goes back to like all right. Well, whatever, karlak is the other one that holds on to it and starts crying. I'm going to die.
Speaker 1:Can you romance the bones, dude?
Speaker 3:What about Alphira? How?
Speaker 2:do you spell that Alfira?
Speaker 3:A-L-F-I-R-A. Let's just see if it's the specific color, what about her?
Speaker 1:Take a look, she's got horns. Let's change it up for the screen here. Is this literally the same species as Carla?
Speaker 2:Yeah, different color.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no.
Speaker 2:No, no, I thought because she looked a little more feminine, this woman looks like the definition of what do they call those?
Speaker 1:A black widow when, like, she sleeps with you, gets your demon seed and then slits your throat and you die on the spot.
Speaker 3:What Demon seed, yeah, man.
Speaker 1:Look, look it up. Urban Dictionary.
Speaker 2:If you're the dark urge, you end up killing her actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean she looks like she's about to have a dark urge.
Speaker 3:No, she's a sweetie.
Speaker 1:Is she Uh-huh Just?
Speaker 2:a little sweetie pie. This chick will ruin your life.
Speaker 1:I've seen these. Look at that black widow.
Speaker 3:So, tieflings, the only difference between them and an elf is horns and skin color, I guess, and tails Wow.
Speaker 1:So literally almost everything about their appearance.
Speaker 3:They got the pointy ears.
Speaker 1:I don't. If I'm going to romance, I'm going to romance something that I would be attracted to.
Speaker 2:A female who feeds off the mental, physical and material means of a male, then leaves him for dead.
Speaker 1:Not demon seed. Wow, that was a nice word for semen. Figure it out, boys.
Speaker 2:I'm too slow.
Speaker 4:We're too stupid.
Speaker 2:I can't handle the intelligence Well interesting. I have heard that term before, but just the way you described it felt like an extreme version yeah. It slits your throat. Acted it out and everything.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, that's.
Speaker 2:What about Tali? He's okay, because he can imagine she looks like whatever you want her to look like Like a human under the mask Under the helmet.
Speaker 1:Well, tali like Okay, so let's pull her up now From Mass Effect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she only has one cannon face actually.
Speaker 4:Yes, right.
Speaker 1:That's pretty fucking close to human in my opinion. But you don't know that till the third game, right? So that's why I can kind of how do I?
Speaker 2:is it the horns? Yeah I knew it, demon horns coming out of the face.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, I just that's kind of a game changer for me.
Speaker 2:It's not I was like liara looks just as much alien as Karlak and you were okay with romancing her, even though she's not your primary pick. It's not yeah.
Speaker 1:It's definitely the horns. Yeah, I mean okay, I'm not going to scroll too far in here, because I'll probably start to find some fan art. What are these?
Speaker 2:pin-up tally pictures, I know right.
Speaker 1:Like I, I'm going to find some Rule 34 shit real quick here, but you don't know until you know. You don't know until you know, and then you see that photo and you're like okay, there's nothing there that screams alien, she just has a very intense brow.
Speaker 2:Those eyes are pretty alien. Those eyes look cool though.
Speaker 3:You don't see the rest of her head.
Speaker 1:She could have tentacles and if she did, it would be immediately apparent to me that I am no longer attracted to her so we are, you built this beautiful loving relationship with her and then she takes off her helmet. You're like it's not working the foundation of every relationship, even male friendship, is sexual attraction.
Speaker 3:I knew it did you guys, it's a side tangent did you see that tlc show? My husband is not gay no, what it's in. It's a new show. I just heard about it on on tiktok and it's tlc, of course, and it's about this like group of husbands, like like couples, and all the husbands suffer from ssa. This is what they show on.
Speaker 2:That's what they say on the show.
Speaker 3:They say they suffer from it. It's same-sex attraction, but they're still married. What's the women? And then they go on camping trips, all the guys alone.
Speaker 1:Oh, man I contracted ssa wait to like do it like the guys have a bro trip and they get their, they knock their rocks off and then they come back to their wives. I don't got the answer for you coming up on next episode on tlc, but they have like.
Speaker 2:The learning channel.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the episode snippet I saw this guy was on a date, like they had her over for dinner at their house and it's all the. Every other couple there is. The guy has SSA, right. So they're like all making these dirty jokes at the guy. This poor girl that, like it's a blind date, has no idea.
Speaker 2:So she thinks she's just hanging out a bunch of gay dudes.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, and so she like, as they leave, like she knew it was a date, as they leave, he's like, hey, listen, you know I had a great time, but you know, I I want to tell you this now because I it's a big thing, and she tells her that and it's, she's like, oh, you know, I thought it was really brave of him to tell me. It's like, fucking shut up.
Speaker 2:Well, okay, why do they word it as if they suffer?
Speaker 3:It's like they caught it Because I think they're Mormon or something.
Speaker 2:Like they were on a bus.
Speaker 1:I think they're, and then some person gave them Fucking. Dale sneezed on me and now I like him.
Speaker 3:Now I'm SSA Fuck.
Speaker 1:I'm goingSA. I smoke his pole every three minutes. Damn it. The only cure.
Speaker 2:Is to steer into his skin.
Speaker 1:I need to camp with these boys.
Speaker 2:Once we explore each other, I will have purged my SSA. That's afflicted me.
Speaker 1:I feel like you're missing a critical point Of the show Because I just can't imagine that this is a real thing it is.
Speaker 3:I think they're Mormon. That is unbelievable.
Speaker 2:Okay, so they're basically trying to suppress the fact that they're just gay, but the name of the show is my Husband's Not Gay?
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow, huh.
Speaker 4:I think everyone needs to.
Speaker 1:just TLC might be about eight years behind Life, but I don't understand that like well, okay, actually I there is. No, you know, I don't need to understand yeah, the whole point is, that sounds insane.
Speaker 2:And then you go and you watch it yeah, and then you're like yeah I feel kind of sad actually that uh they're in that situation, but they're not gay, so they can't be honest with it, like I don't know what that would feel like to be trapped, uh, by I don't know your upbringing, your religion. To feel like who you are as a person is an affliction, and now it's like being made fun of for national television like like you have to know when you go on that show.
Speaker 1:It's not. What was the sign-ups like? Oh, I'm definitely not gay.
Speaker 2:All right, you're in, you're in.
Speaker 1:You like to camp with men, Like what.
Speaker 2:It's probably 90% staged. Honestly, it sounds insane.
Speaker 1:It sounds like a theater project in high school. It's a little edgy, you know for the drama program.
Speaker 2:They got a B+.
Speaker 3:Yeah exactly, they made it in a show Wow.
Speaker 1:Well that's a good place to end it. That's like my husband's not lactose intolerant, like I don't know what the fuck.
Speaker 3:Oh honey, I love this cheese.
Speaker 2:I can Mentally work through it. I'm not, I'm not lactose intolerant.
Speaker 3:I'm afflicted with LIS Lactose intolerant syndrome.
Speaker 1:I suffer from it, liz Liz.
Speaker 3:I think I believe I have Alright where can people find us?
Speaker 1:I think I believe I have All right. Where can people find us? They can find us.
Speaker 3:This is so dumb, YouTube, Instagram.
Speaker 4:Spotify. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 3:Any major podcast listening platform where you can find us under Katie Ray Show, as well as right here on YouTube. We stream every Tuesday, 7 pm, pacific time, that's right. And come join us, chat with us. We have a lot of fun. Pacific time, that's right. And come join us, Chat with us. You know we have a lot of fun and yeah.
Speaker 1:Remember the good KD, you get the dub.
Speaker 3:Bye guys.
Speaker 1:Bye.