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Marvel’s R-Rated Triumph: Deadpool & Wolverine, Doctor Doom's MCU Future, and More!
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What happens when you combine Ryan Reynolds' quick wit with Hugh Jackman's gruff charm? Join us as we unfold the magic behind the latest Deadpool and Wolverine movie that’s breaking box office records as Disney’s first R-rated triumph. We gush over Wolverine’s iconic yellow suit, the parade of unexpected cameos like Blade, Electro, and Gambit, and how the film masterfully intertwines fan service with solid storytelling. From start to finish, this action-comedy delivers on all fronts, and we can't wait to share our favorite moments and the film's standout performances that rival even the best Marvel entries.
Moving from the silver screen to broader cinematic trends, we put the spotlight on the delicate balance between spectacle and character development in today’s big-budget films. Our conversation touches on the importance of strong writing and memorable character arcs, while also noting some minor hiccups, like the convenient absence of Cassandra Nova in the final battle. Nevertheless, Hugh Jackman's portrayal of Wolverine stands out, offering emotional depth and memorable lines that add weight to the action-packed narrative. Does strong character development hold the key to the success of these blockbuster hits? We certainly think so.
Speculation runs wild as we dive into the latest revelations from San Diego Comic-Con. With Doctor Doom set to be the new major villain in the MCU and Robert Downey Jr.’s surprising casting, we explore the potential of an alternate universe Tony Stark. We share our mixed reactions and theorize about how these changes might shape upcoming Marvel movies like "Fantastic Four" and "Secret Wars." Plus, we ponder the future of powerful entities like the Beyonder and Galactus in the MCU. Buckle up as we navigate through exciting predictions and the endless possibilities that keep us eagerly anticipating what’s next in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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Speaker 1:You guys, if we are live and I'm actually talking- I think so. You guys missed out on some great content. Billy told us we were live and I went on probably the best speech I've ever given in my life.
Speaker 2:We were 37 seconds into it, so I don't know how wonderful it was.
Speaker 1:The best you know the writing in Mass Effect when Shepard gives a speech before every suicide mission. It was that level.
Speaker 3:I think it was more like the writing in Mass Effect, when you had only three choices at the end of a very massive, beautiful game, and it was which color do you want? Could be. I think that's more likely. So we are live.
Speaker 2:We are live. It's working, not sure what the hell happened.
Speaker 3:Power buttons.
Speaker 2:I blame Dylan.
Speaker 1:Anyway, we saw.
Speaker 2:Deadpool Wolverine. It was good, it was great.
Speaker 1:Thoughts Go I loved it by far my favorite Deadpool movie out of all three. I love Ryan Reynolds' Deadpool. Hugh Jackman it's perfect as Wolverine, and I love that we finally get to see them be in a whole movie together. Their chemistry was perfect. It felt like I was reading right out of the comics pretty much.
Speaker 3:Dare I say it Off the chain.
Speaker 1:Off the chain which you know. Deadpool doesn't use chains, but ghostwriter does connections biggest spoiler. Ghostwriter is not in it.
Speaker 2:I love how we immediately derail like we haven't even even remotely began to scratch the surface.
Speaker 1:I'm going okay, I really liked it though so I'll say that the movie felt really well paced.
Speaker 1:Um, I enjoyed the comedy. There was a bunch of cameos. It was a bunch of like honestly, it was a bunch of like fan service, almost like no way home, but it felt done respectfully and it felt done. It didn't feel like it was just done for like, done respectfully and it felt done. It didn't feel like it was just done for like for laughs. It felt like it had a purpose and, um, I personally I was never a huge fan of the fox, like x-men universe, like. I watched the movies, I watched every one of them, but I just I could give a crap there was some standouts, yeah, like hugh jackman like I love, love the Wolverine.
Speaker 3:We talked about this before. Weren't we all huge fans of X-Men First Class?
Speaker 1:We were, yeah, so there's standouts, but I never liked the original X-Men. X1, x2, x3. I didn't really. I was like, okay, they're all in black leather. I'm like this is kind of weird.
Speaker 3:Where's my yellow?
Speaker 1:suit. Where's? Where's my yellow suit, um? But we finally get to see wolverine in the yellow suit, which was dope, and the cameos um. We got to see blade. We got to see electro. We got to see gambit uh, channing tinnim is gambit, um. We got to see johnny storm, and there's just so much in this movie to talk about. But just overall I loved it and I would recommend anyone to go see it, as if you're a fan of marvel and if you're a fan of the mcu in general and put a spoiler tag on this.
Speaker 3:Right did we?
Speaker 1:yeah, okay, definitely because I feel like we have so much to get into, but I don't like I titled it like complete discussion, so I would hope that I'm just saying we're going to disappoint tens of people yeah but, yeah so I would just recommend it and then we'll get yours and we'll dive in because there's so much to talk about. But, like it's, we have to discuss it. It's not just like I can just be like yeah, by the way, see it, gamble was Gamble. I thought he said Gambo, gambo, gambo, gambo.
Speaker 3:Gambo, all right.
Speaker 1:What did you think?
Speaker 2:Mr Billy, I thought it was great. I thought it was so much fun. It was just a fun film. Yeah, To me it was a very adult fun film.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was rated R Disney's first rated R fun film, oh it was rated R Disney's first rated R Apparently Disney's very first ever rated R film, which is easy to think about. Isn't it a company that's been making film for over 100 years? Right, that's kind of wild to think about that. This is the first time, so that's kind of exciting. Maybe there's a new path for them. It's blowing all the box office stuff out of the water. It was already projected insane levels and it's even like 20% or 30% higher than that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, was it like on $400 million right now or something?
Speaker 2:like that. I don't know. Yeah, it's something crazy, maybe even higher, but it's just like it's a family fun film. No, it is just a fun film to go and see as a fan. There's a bunch of fan service which doesn't necessarily just make a film good. I felt like they balanced it really well. It wasn't over the top. It was stuff that you didn't telegraph it from a mile away. It was like oh, the last scene with Wolverine and Deadpool they're linking these two electric beams together or whatever.
Speaker 2:All of a sudden his shirt blasts off like only his right yeah, like it wasn't necessarily yeah it wasn't necessarily like obvious Right and so, uh, like that that was going to happen. Just kind of hit you, it took. It took a very serious moment into like, oh my God, this movie is really fun. Um it was just. It was a really, really fun film and the writing was so phenomenal. They know how to write deadpool.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, like I think it's ryan reynolds I guess, knows how to write deadpool and I think this, in my opinion, this is like his truest form of deadpool. I felt like deadpool one and two were close but this feels the most like comic book, like it felt like the same deadpool from close but this feels the most comic book. It felt like the same Deadpool from the comic books to me whereas the movies felt a little bit different, but I feel this one really lined up for me. What did you think?
Speaker 3:Oh man, dude, this sucked, I knew it. Anyways, I loved it. It was the most fun I've had in a film in a while. Uh, I think I there's been a few like really good post Thanos Marvel films, um, but it has really only been like a handful. The other ones were okay. Some of them were just downright not good at all.
Speaker 3:Uh, this one for me, is right at the top, um, now that I've had a time to digest, um, I don't know if I would put it above like you know no way home, but it definitely is one that I had more enjoyment like just overall. Um, yeah, like it. It had the right amount of like fan service. Um, yeah, like it. It had the right amount of like fan service. Um, but it was done in a way that was like it wasn't uh cheap. I think that's. People's. People's problem isn't fan service. People love fan service. That's why it's called fan service. Uh, people's problem is when they feel like that is in place of good writing, when it's just kind of given just to give right um, this had great writing, the.
Speaker 3:This was a true to form deadpool and also like one of the most accurate depictions of wolverine too, which you know we didn't talk about, but this was a really good comic book, accurate wolverine. Um, I also feel like um it's. There's a lot of potential on like these characters now in the mcu and they leave that door open. But it could also just stand on its own and kind of end right there and that's okay too. Um, and overall, you know, I just I don't think that it could have been done any more perfect. You know we talked a little bit about the writing in it and ryan reynolds, uh is was one of the lead writers of this film because he, he loves this character this is incredible so much and I was actually.
Speaker 3:I was watching an interview where they said um, what gave you the idea of wanting to be in deadpool? And there was actually a deadpool comic from like 2004 or something like that by name, right? That mentioned him by name. That said, um, someone like asked deadpool, like what did you look like before all the scarring?
Speaker 3:and he said a lot like ryan reynolds, just like as a joke yeah and then that's what made ryan reynolds fall in love with the character and like talk about, just like the writer who wrote that line probably never imagined that that would be anything to evolve to anything and it did. That's crazy um. I've been seeing it's been getting. The reviews have been definitely positive, but it's not like from critics. It's very mixed um, but the audiences even movie reviewers, like a couple that I watch on uh youtube.
Speaker 3:It's mixed and I'm like I and I just I don't agree with that this was like a perfect film.
Speaker 2:So what it is before we dive into, like maybe some of the criticisms and the reviews. I do want to touch on one thing that you mentioned. Have you guys seen the new uh hot ones episode with?
Speaker 3:not yet I did. I watched it you did.
Speaker 2:Uh, so you were talking about like the writing and stuff I got, and actually it towards the end.
Speaker 3:I think it's right after this, I think maybe that's where I heard the Deadpool Ryan Reynolds. Oh, maybe I think it might have been in the Hot Ones thing, but anyways, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Maybe, but he has this whole part in there where he talks about modern cinema and how they try to use spectacle over character and he's trying to bring that back. Not trying to bring that back, but that's one of the things that he focuses on. I'm going to. The spectacle just kind of comes along with the movie and obviously this is going to have A-tier. It's Deadpool, wolverine, marvel, billion dollar movie. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So they're going to juice it $200 million budget, I think mean so they're gonna 200 million dollar budget.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're gonna juice it. So. But he is like I still, we still can't just lean on that being the movie, right you think of like godzilla kong or you know whatever like it's. You go to there you just expect to see it's spectacle. You know you expect to see shit blowing up. That's what you're there for.
Speaker 2:But he said that, like in his opinion, it's so critical to nail the character piece, which is the writing component, which I think we've, we've just gotten away from yeah, you know like we we've gotten away from just writing like really good stories, um, and they're, they're almost, they're honestly like just, they're a little pale and they nailed it with this movie. They nailed it so well. So let's dive into the reviews, because I have seen this a lot of the. I guess to surmise what I've seen is people have said 10 out of 10 fun, six out of 10 uh story, and it was like okay, I don't know if that was a fair, accurate representation of what we actually saw on screen, though you know, I think that there was a lot of heart in this.
Speaker 3:I do think that at times, you know, the plot felt convenient, you know, in some ways, uh like, um, I don't want to spend too much time on the criticisms, because it's not really criticism, it's just like, okay, I could see why someone might think that is maybe a little convenient, one of them being, uh, the main villain was her name cassandra nova yeah um, how she didn't get involved in the final fight for really no reason like other than the fact that if she was involved she would just kill them all instantly yeah um, and then, as like a plot device, like you know, him talking to her and being, like you know, charles would have done nothing to, like he would have wouldn't have stopped if he knew you're in here, and it like made her good for just just enough to send them back.
Speaker 3:And that was really because they kind of wrote themselves into a corner with her power levels because they knew that she wasn't going to lose that fight.
Speaker 2:So I get that, but even at that point to counter-argument that she didn't give a fuck about the real world. She didn't care At that point. She wanted to be a fuck about the real world. She didn't care at that point. She was only. She wanted to be the king of the void, the queen of the void, right. That was so like it was not really a loss. It wasn't like her being this benevolent being when she let him leave, like basically it's not her problem anymore. She wanted to rule the void. And then at the end there's the whole twist of her coming out and stuff.
Speaker 3:But yeah, I I think also the performances. You know it's a comedic film at heart for sure, like it really is like a comedy, and then it's like an action comedy first and foremost. But Hugh Jackman and this is going to get overlooked because of the whole nature of the film overall but Hugh Jackman's performance in this rivaled anything he did in Logan.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like, honestly, like, especially that part at the end when he's talking and I forget exactly how he says it, but he's just like, like you know, all my whole life I was, I was a failure, and it's like but I'm not, I'm an X-Man, I'm the X-Man, but like the way that Hugh Jackmanman delivers that line, that's that's definitely up there with anything that he did in some of his best performances, like in logan, where that logan is the one that people compare it to. Like this is wolverine at its peak. This is definitely a different film than that, for sure, but just as powerfully acted as that film and I think people are going to sleep on that because it's a Deadpool movie.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I um the line that stuck with me. Unfortunately I don't remember exactly, but it's one X 23. Laura comes to Wolverine when he's sitting on the log and he's like I'm not the one you rely on, or whatever. And she's like, yeah, I know, but you'll still show up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he says I'm not the guy you think I am, I'm the wrong guy. And she says you were always the wrong guy until you weren't and that perfectly sums up Wolverine.
Speaker 1:And it's so good.
Speaker 2:I love that line and that summed up the whole character arc of logan in like 10 words that's like any character arc, where it's like someone who has always been bad and then makes the shift to good.
Speaker 3:You can just summon, summarize it and that you could almost hugh jackman's take on wolverine almost every, I think every single one of his films. His character he's known as this like gruff, angry, like you know, cut your head off guy. But his actions are always motivated by like love yeah you got rogue and, like the first three, rogan, jean, you know, in the first three movies. Then you have, like that woman that pretended to be his wife in x-men origins. You have, uh, what's her name in x-men wolverine is it the wolverine?
Speaker 3:and the wolverine. Yeah, um god, what is her name? You know? Not yukio, her yukio's friend uh silver samurai's daughter yeah, you know like all.
Speaker 3:So he's, he's just, he's a big old softy big old teddy bear and then in logan, of course, with his clone daughter laura. Clone daughter Laura, that's who his character is. He's driven and motivated by family and I think that shines through true here too and it's almost like the loss of his family this time around and all the mistakes he made. And he turned it around almost and had his moment where he could be the logan that he hears about, because this other one was so incredible, yeah, and he never was that. And then he was. He got to be that logan in this film. If it wasn't such a funny movie, it'd tear your heart out.
Speaker 2:it's so good, it is so good, it is so good. So let's dive into, I guess, any criticisms or weaknesses of the film that we might have, because I think we all agree. For me it was 10 out of 10. That was a masterpiece. I loved everything about it. No, but I do have a couple knocks, but it's not even really about the film. What's? Going on with the TVA. Who are these people?
Speaker 3:What is? This management hierarchy that they have in place and what is with all these mid-level management characters that have the power to destroy an entire timeline and like it's like a paperwork error and they like joke about it and it's like what the fuck is going on.
Speaker 2:Terribly ran the tv so poorly ran and it's like the most powerful organization ever and it's just like random joe schmoes, you know, wearing tva badges, like they have the power to fucking erase you from every timeline, or your timeline, or whatever send you to the void, to the void where there's no escape. Like what the fuck is that?
Speaker 3:and they're just. They don't have powers, they're just people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like just regular people, it's bonkers, like it's so wild. So I'm kind of tired of seeing the chaos of the tva like of just because it's starting to make like no sense in terms of the power cap or its purpose and how it's ran and how it's structured. It's like these people like you're and there's just so many of them and I need a little bit of like a synopsis of what the hell the TVA is in the MCU and what that's like. I don't know if they'll deliver it either, just starting to wear it a little bit.
Speaker 3:The new plan. They're shifting away completely from Kang.
Speaker 1:No more Kang.
Speaker 3:No more Kang, and we'll talk about this later before we go into the big reveal around that. But the new plan is in the next avengers film, avengers doomsday. Um, something's going to happen that's going to completely shatter the multiverse altogether and bring it all into one reality, essentially, and that's going to be at the end of the next avengers film. It's probably going to be Peter.
Speaker 1:Parker's your favorite, you know.
Speaker 3:Get the fuck out of here. So they recognize that as well. And the multiverse it's a dead story arc. Now it's going away and they're shifting directions and they're shifting tones and we'll just see how well they do it, but I do like what I'm seeing as far as what they're going to try and do to get this pulled off. Yeah, because I'm with you. That's my. One of my main knocks is, even though it was a really good set piece when it was Wolverine and Deadpool versus the Army of Deadpools, I am kind of getting that multiverse burnout where like I just I don't need that in every movie. You know that was the plot line for like literally the last 10 movies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm just, I'm kind of oh, there's multiple versions of you, yeah, and it's so weird I'm not a fan of the inconsistencies of it, because sometimes they look the exact same.
Speaker 3:Sometimes it's completely different actors. Yeah, and why is it that?
Speaker 2:our character that we've been following around is just so much better than all the rest of them.
Speaker 3:Like in this film Deadpool.
Speaker 2:Like this Deadpool just slaughtered a hundred of him. Oh yeah, this.
Speaker 3:Deadpool was the best Deadpool, but like to be able.
Speaker 2:It's not just like, oh yeah, he's the best. It's like he took on a hundred of himself. He has to be orders of magnitude better than every other Deadpool. It's like what? How did we nail that?
Speaker 3:Because Wolverine was there. Yeah right, he's not even from the Sacred Timeline.
Speaker 2:I know he's from Wolverine and the Logan that was there was the Wolverine he's from the Fox Timeline, I mean I timeline I mean I guess you could.
Speaker 1:You could look at it as the tva were trying to pull him into the sacred timeline. So obviously he is special compared.
Speaker 3:They did say that in the beginning. That's true he.
Speaker 1:He said he was mcu jesus. You know and like he is I unique.
Speaker 3:Well, I think that was just paradox trying to get but this logan was apparently not the best logan and he still kicked ass, right he was the worst, logan yeah.
Speaker 2:And seemingly he basically didn't Really have much fighting experience. He never was part of the X-Men and then turned his back on the whole thing. He slaughtered humans just regular Joes, but like he didn't really have that much experience like fighting.
Speaker 3:Real shit. I think he was part of the X-Men. But I think he was part of the x-men, but I think he was always like a outsider, like he never like fully allowed himself to be a part of the team because he didn't want a family or whatever. Um, but I think he I think this, this version of logan went through his fair share of wars he said yeah, he said he's been around 200 years yeah, like I.
Speaker 3:I don't think that he was just like I think the whole he's the worst logan thing has nothing to do with his ability. I think it has more to do with his choices that he's made and that that's what I'm equating it to, because he's also like um this, this version of, uh, wolverine, you know, fucked up saber.
Speaker 1:Killed him one swipe, I'm glad.
Speaker 3:Samurai style and the other versions of Wolverine had a much harder time fighting Sabretooth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm really glad about that. I was all for all the fighting. But at that point I'm like do we need to keep seeing? That to me would have felt like too much fan service. It was just like okay, I get he's from the other film, like OK, cool, he does that and I'm like great, let's move on. Let's get into something interesting. Any thoughts on your criticisms before we move on?
Speaker 1:I honestly can't think of any that like jumped to my mind watching it. I would have to probably see it again.
Speaker 2:Maybe you're such a narrative dude. How did you feel about the narrative? I know that's seemingly is the knock. Is everybody saying that the storytelling was weak? To me, part of the storytelling is the dialogue and language used to get there, and I thought that was a tier S tier Um.
Speaker 1:I thought the story was great and I think I think it had equal parts heart and comedy and it and it had a really good um barometer of when to do each right like a new one to make you understand.
Speaker 3:Deadpool is a human that, like he does, love his, his family, his found family, and that's his main motivation and it's really hard to balance that yeah we've seen that with thor, love and thunder, and, and for me, I know that people liked it, but that was my problem with ragnarok as well is, I didn't. I felt like they really didn't know how to balance the heart and humor, um, and this, this was for me, it was like like the funniest MCU film that's ever been released, and it didn't sacrifice the heart. For me, the heart was still there and it was done well, and so I think that's a difficult thing to pull off and I don't know if it's specifically Ryan Reynolds' writing or if it just happens to be like Sean Levy. You know his direction. But however they did it, they did it well.
Speaker 2:Well, let's talk about the big reveal that happened like the same night of the release of this show.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the whole con was happening around Marvel. At that time I didn't even know that. Is it Comic-Con or was it like an off Comic-Con? It was Comic-Con.
Speaker 2:It was San Diego Comic-Con.
Speaker 3:How did I not?
Speaker 2:even hear about that happening.
Speaker 3:I thought that was in May. I thought it was supposed to happen in March or May.
Speaker 1:I got a press badge, yeah.
Speaker 3:For Katie Richio.
Speaker 1:You guys didn't get yours. No, nope, so I talked about it earlier, right?
Speaker 3:The big reveal is they're getting rid of Kang altogether. No more Kang movies.
Speaker 1:They're bringing back the Russo Bros Bringing.
Speaker 3:Bring him back the Russo Bros. Bring him back the Russo Bros. The new big bad is the one we've been wanting Well, me specifically. But we've been talking about for a couple years now, doctor Doom, doctor Doom. But even bigger reveal than that is Robert Downey Jr is going to play him. What's your initial reaction to that?
Speaker 2:I only have one reaction total Fine. As long to that, I only have one reaction total fine as long as long as he is still tony stark.
Speaker 2:If he's just fucking dr doom and it's like, oh, he's gonna kill the role and it's still probably gonna be a good movie. But if he's not tony stark or they somehow explain why he's there, it's going to be a huge miss, I think, on me and a lot of the audience. But if they want to say, oh, this universe, or I guess, figuring it back in that multiverse, I don't know well multiverse can apply very easily to the beginning of the film.
Speaker 3:It's just by the end of it the multiverse is getting shattered, so there's still plenty of multiversal opportunity. To explain how tony stark is dr doom but then it's gonna collide right.
Speaker 2:But again, now he's the tony stark. We're gonna watch a whole film and tony stark isn't gonna comment on like this guy threatening the world like the actual tony stark, like he's not gonna know. Wouldn't the best way to fight tony stark as dr doom actual tony stark, like he's not gonna know? Wouldn't the best way to fight tony stark as dr doom be tony stark? In your world, so he's dead yeah, well, we're talking about multiverse, or we're still talking about the multiverse though that idea.
Speaker 3:I think that I don't know if we're ever gonna see any version of tony right come back, yeah so I I sent this.
Speaker 3:This was the theory that I read kind of right off the rip. I think that there's actually some credence to it. I would like to see some variation of this. The theory that I saw that people are kind of bouncing back and forth right now is Doctor Doom is going to be played by Robert Downey Jr, because it is technically Tony Stark, and in this alternate timeline his parents were murdered when he was much younger. He was like a baby and he gets kidnapped by the Winter Soldier, taken to Hydra and then Dr Doom's family, the Von Dooms, are members of Hydra. They raise Tony Stark in Latveria, which is where Dr Doom's family, the Von Dooms, are members of Hydra. They raised Tony Stark in Latveria, which is where Dr Doom is from, and he's raised as Victor Von Doom, not Tony Stark. But it's the same person but just completely different upbringing, and then that would be the idea around why this version of Tony Stark is actually Victor Von Doom.
Speaker 2:It's still I don't know. He's getting paid $80 million. I'll repeat that $80 million I heard you To do one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you didn't have to repeat it One more time.
Speaker 2:Two more times $80 million. There's Doomsday Three more times Fantastic80 million.
Speaker 1:There's Doomsday Three more times, and there's Fantastic Four and Secret Wars.
Speaker 3:I think his origin is going to Wait. Oh, that's for all those films. Yeah, yeah, oh, okay I think his origin story is going to be much more explained in the Fantastic Four film and then Doomsday is going to be. It's going to be like the Doomsday movie. It's going to be Dr Doom movie, kind of the way Infinity War was Thanos' yeah 80 million.
Speaker 2:How much? It's a lot of fucking money.
Speaker 3:All I'm saying is if Dr Doom is Tony Stark or if it's the same person, that's really the only way I could think of that actually making sense. I don't want it to just be. Tony Stark decided to be evil in one timeline. I want something more organic than that. I don't want just like he's Tony Stark and then he decides to change his name to Victor Von Doom or not even Victor Von Doom, just Tony Stark is Doctor Doom. I would much rather a much more ingrained reason of why he's and being raised by Hydra Would make sense.
Speaker 3:Would make much more sense to me than. And it doesn't mean he will represent Hydra. It just means that he has maybe a completely different mindset and he could. The movie could open with him killing all of Hydra and taking over Latveria as the new dictator. It doesn't mean he has to be an agent of Hydra. It just latveria as the new dictator, you know like. It doesn't doesn't mean he has to be an agent of hydra. It just means that he was bred different than all I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all I'm saying is I need an explanation. It's got to be damn good.
Speaker 1:Well, I I want to open up because it's just being awkward. Yeah, I want to open it up for like the things. If it is, if kyle's right, the things I'm excited for would be. So if we get to secret wars right, because obviously, like you know, it'll probably doomsday will probably be about doom story and maybe he wins or who knows, whatever. But secret wars is like the collapsing of different multiverses, so we're gonna see where. We will probably see chris evans again as captain america. We'll probably see, you know, people we know. Imagine like those would create great scenes if steve rogers sees tony but like it's don't it's doom, but sees that it's tony, or like spider-man or if he takes advantage of that, yeah, starts killing heroes, yeah, like spider-man sees his hero, the you, the guy that helped him, is now evil.
Speaker 1:I know you hate Spider-Man, but that would be a great arc for Spider-Man.
Speaker 2:How is that a great arc for Spider-Man? Oh, you're not the same guy. We'd have to fight him. We've seen a slaughtering. We just watched Deadpool. He slaughtered himself hundreds of times over.
Speaker 1:And now this one arc. The same arc applies to Captain America 2. Spider-man was the closest to Iron man. I mean, I'd say War Machine was fun. I guess we're going to have Pepper and Rhodey be up there like Tony, tony. Now we're getting into the realm of way too much cancer. I don't want that. I don't want that. I don't want.
Speaker 2:Machine.
Speaker 3:I guess, well, we're going to have Pepper and Rhodey be up there like Tony. See, now we're getting into the realm of way too much dancers.
Speaker 2:I don't want that. I don't want that. I don't want that Exactly, I don't want the film. It doesn't need to be about give me Doctor Doom, give me something new. I don't need to see all these people.
Speaker 3:So that's the only way I can see the same actor playing Victor Von Doom is, if he's raised as Victor Von Doom, because in this timeline his parents died when he was a baby and he was kidnapped and sent to Liberia and I'm agreeing with that.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying you present these opportunities for characters who might recognize.
Speaker 2:don't want that I do think I don't want it. I I don't want it to distract. I don't give a fuck that it it's the same. That's what I'm saying. I want it to be an authentic story to dr doom and have something new. I don't want 30 minutes in my two hour long movie about characters having some existential crisis because, oh, that looks like tony I don't give a shit about that, but Doctor Doom's always been.
Speaker 1:He's a villain, but doesn't he kind of border on? He does good things sometimes, very very.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but it's never for the sake of it's never, for the sake of his people.
Speaker 1:I thought it was always for the sake of Latveria, latveria at the expense of others but we risk running into like, presenting him as if he's like similar to like magneto.
Speaker 3:It's not really the same thing. What if they turn him into that? I don't want him to be that.
Speaker 3:I want him to be victor von doom, but dr doom doom is like is in my oh yeah, okay I was gonna say in my opinion, he's kind of the way Magneto cares about mutants is the way Doom cares about Latveria right, maybe I think Doctor Doom is an incredible villain, but I would much rather see rather than like I would much rather see a very ruthless Walter White level of methodical like approach than I would like to see another Magneto like portrayal.
Speaker 1:Well, he could still be methodical, but he could still be like. That's the biggest part of Thanos. Right is Thanos is believable. He's an alien, but he's human Like you. Root for him.
Speaker 3:I don't necessarily need that. I want to see somebody come in and start killing. So you want like evil.
Speaker 1:Twisting their mustache, villain. Not twisting mustache, I'm evil I don't want a caricature.
Speaker 3:I want someone to come in and I want, like I don't want to. Obviously this is just me, for you know just being dramatic, but I would love to see him come in and just fucking, like start killing beloved heroes and just be evil. Didn't thanos do that?
Speaker 1:no, he snapped, and half the universe was gone.
Speaker 3:Not well, not initially that's easier to take than uh, than if you were to like just start killing like heroes, like I want him to be evil, evil. I don't want I. I want him to be evil, evil. I don't want him to be like Fence sitter. I don't want him to be like Because then it runs the risk of he's going to, in the last moment, be like I'm doing this for my people. That can be good and we've seen it done well with other characters, but that's also been done a lot. I want the Avengers to go up against a threat that you know, sometimes bad guys are just bad.
Speaker 2:You know we don't need to and I don't want it to be interesting because he's 20 Stark. I want it to be interesting because he's a really good Doctor Doom and a really good villain. So let me read you this I got this little Marvel encyclopedia, but he could easily go that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I kind of see it.
Speaker 2:Well, I think you're fucking right, that's my prediction.
Speaker 2:I think you're fucking right, because listen to this, you ready for this Spoilers for the next decade. So I don't know how this book is organized, but it looks like there's three different, maybe sub-stories to the character Dr Doom here and this one is just called the doomed hero. But effectively here it is that doom, working with molecule man, which I don't, I'm not familiar with, and Dr Strange, basically went around and salvaged portions of reality, uh, of reality as a new battle world. A God like doom then installed himself as ruler with Sue Richards as his wife.
Speaker 3:Um sounds like a real good guy, franklin.
Speaker 2:Richards as his kids, and so then, basically, he had survived. The destruction of his reality appeared on the battleground. Dooms control began to slip. Read blah, blah, blah, blah blah. So what I'm thinking of is okay. What if he somehow tricks Dr Strange into using your analogy of what you think is going to gonna happen, which I definitely think it's plausible?
Speaker 2:I'm just saying I don't want it yeah um, they somehow construct this new reality and he said, he takes the face of, like, the most beloved hero on earth, which is tony fucking stark. And so then that's the story there. So he's like I would like that he right, because here's the thing now it's technically not tony stark, it's dr doom. He's just using his face.
Speaker 2:I'm okay with that actually I could see he creates like, a regime like, but like he's yeah, and it's just like it's just his physical appearance, because he he had seriously damaged facial scars or whatever, and and that's why he's constructed this new reality, and so that's the idea. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1:I could vibe with that. Well, that's the thing, is Battleworld, that's Secret Wars, so they are definitely going for it.
Speaker 2:They're doing that.
Speaker 1:And a lot of people think that it is going to be Doom who's going to Well. I mean you can connect the dots, but they think that Doom is obviously going to well. I mean it's you can connect the dots, but they think that doom is obviously gonna do the same thing where he kind of like saves different part of reality and puts him into battle world where he's the king which means you know that's exactly happened in the comics.
Speaker 3:Yeah you know also what's funny at times he's been portrayed as like a benevolent dictator, but like he's never really been like good like he's the same as magneto, in my opinion, where he he'll do anything for latveria? If it benefits him specifically. I think that's the difference.
Speaker 1:If it benefits, he's more yeah, he's more self-centered than magneto is I think it's more of a power thing but you're like thinking of x-men 97 magneto no, that's pretty commonly how magneto has been portrayed for a long time. I mean even think about all the movies and think about true but I I just think there is good in doom and I think he's not always been full you don't gotta always try and find the good people.
Speaker 3:I know. I'm just saying I think, I think as a character, the way he's written, he is that way okay, I mean, if it, if it, if they do play it that way, I'm not gonna be upset, I just might be a little let down I do like.
Speaker 1:I like billy's idea, though, that he came up with where it's he's using his face. That, in my opinion, that is. I like that idea better, um than the one that I was thinking and like there's some ritual he does and all of a sudden he gets his face. Everyone knows it's not tony stark. He's what he's magic right. Well, here's he does have magic, yeah he's a scientific genius.
Speaker 2:Knowledge of sorcery, yeah, learned from aliens on how to physically transfer his consciousness into the body of another person oh, I mean he could transfer his body, his mind into tony star armor is a battle suit that increases his strength to superhuman levels and contains highly advanced weaponry. So interesting thing is his walking around weight is 225. When he's in his armor he's 415 pounds damn damn you gotta be yoked to be able to handle that I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm sure it's augmented but it's still yeah kyle, you were saying the comics do do something with the tony doom I don't remember that like when we're talking to discord. He said the comics kind of played with the idea or they did something where it was like a amalgamation of them. I didn't, I didn't say that I did mention that.
Speaker 3:Um, they've always kind of they've always kind of presented dr doom as, like, a definite rival to tony stark when it comes to like intelligence. And he's kind of like, if tony stark was evil you know, then dr doom, but I don't remember it wasn't me that said that yeah, so what do you think?
Speaker 1:do you think what would you guys like better if he uses magic to create the face of tony stark, or if he finds tony stark in his world and like body still ops?
Speaker 2:uh, yeah, to me. I just want a quick explanation as to why he.
Speaker 1:So who would play like tony stark, like do you think we'd see him?
Speaker 2:if I'm being honest, it would probably just be someone really scarred with a shitload of makeup on it. Would have been him, robert Downey Jr.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if we're being honest, I don't like the fact that we have to try and figure out that caveat before we get to Doctor. I would have preferred a different actor, if we're being honest 100%. But now that we know it is for sure, then now it forces us to have this conversation of how it happens and that feels like it's um counter counteracting. A better conversation of what we could be having is what is dr doom going to do? Yeah, not. How does he become dr doom? And I don't.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm not a huge fan of of this I do have to say, though, the one thing, because I agree to an aspect. The one thing is like on my Marvel faith-o-meter, right, it's been kind of low with the whole Kang multiverse thing it's still. It isn't hype levels, but with the Russo's announcement it went up a little bit, like I. So which movies did the Russo?
Speaker 3:rather do they up a little bit like I. So which movies did the they're known?
Speaker 1:quantity. They did winter soldier, end game, infinity war, civil war as well and civil war, and so they're a known quantity and I know they did some of the best. In my opinion, mc movie movies of the of the infinity saga, yeah, so, like my, my hypometer went up a little bit. It's not I'm not like super excited, but I I have, like I want, to have faith in them. I really do, I. I because I haven't had faith in any of the writers or directors that they've been given the movies to I'm not like against the.
Speaker 3:I'm a fan of where it's trending, you know. But I I'm kind of with you, I'm not like sold on yeah this is gonna work. Now, you know, and almost the announcement of robert downey jr's dr doom almost did a disservice for me. Um, after the announcement of the russos, and so I just you know, there was this meme that because they were like the greatest actor of all time and I'm not knocking rob downey- junior because I I really like him a lot actually.
Speaker 3:But there's this meme where it's like we got the greatest actor of all time to play dr doom a character that deserves the greatest actor of all time and he takes off as robert downey jr. And somebody was like that's not daniel day lewis, like I would have that would have been incredible that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:There's, there's, no. I feel like at this point I don't know if the behind the scenes maybe they're talking about this or whatever. Maybe they didn't know. Obviously this has been in the pipe, like like they didn't know what level of success. Maybe Deadpool and Wolverine were going to be right, like these deals take. I mean, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:They figured this out. Well, they've been talking to the Russos for a while Exactly so.
Speaker 2:they probably figured this out maybe a year ago. Six months they're just planning right.
Speaker 3:So they didn't really know how much this thing was going to pop off.
Speaker 2:I bet you, as soon as Ant-Man flopped Ant-Man 3, they were like fuck it. Call the Russos Feige might think that the MCU, as we know it, lives and dies with Tony Stark. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And so it's like we have to find a way for Robert Downey Jr to be in this, for people to stay interested. And it's like that because really all the original heroes, they're all pretty much gone. I mean, like we still have Thor, but that's in a bad place right now, Like they're all in really bad places. So how do you, you know, how do you connect that string, Like, how do you pull that through? And I think maybe what they're thinking is okay, we'll just get Robert Downey Jr to come back and he'll save the MCU because it lives and dies with him, this will either be the best business decision they've made in the last 10 years or the worst.
Speaker 3:It could either be very successful or it can just undo everything.
Speaker 2:You've got to be delicate. No, I say that and it's like knowing the people involved. Like this is the OG crew, it's Robert Downey Jr. It's like knowing the people involved. Like, this is the OG crew, it's Robert Downey Jr. It's going to be a good movie. As a fan, it's probably just going to be.
Speaker 3:If they don't nail it, it's going to be awkward. Who's going to lead the charge against Doctor Doom Reed?
Speaker 2:The Fantastic Four? Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3:But it's weird because that's a period piece that takes place in the 60s.
Speaker 1:So what are they going to do at the end of the film to extend. Well, you were saying Wait, what the?
Speaker 3:Fantastic Four film.
Speaker 1:It's a period piece.
Speaker 3:It takes place in the 60s.
Speaker 2:So the movie where they were in outer space and stuff that's not really their origin story.
Speaker 3:No, that's Fox. So that is the MCU technically, but that's Fox. So that is the MCU technically, but that's not the one that's going to bring this version of Doctor.
Speaker 1:Who they are still probably going to be in space.
Speaker 2:Maybe In the 60s. Yeah, I'm like, okay, that seems weird.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:And then Tony Stark is like is it his dad then?
Speaker 1:Well, it could be Howard, That'd be interesting. But well, kyle, you were saying they bring, so that brings more credence to your theory that he just steals his face. Yeah, um, you were saying that the, the universes collide, right? So that's how they bring him forward, I guess well, they don't.
Speaker 3:They don't collide until secret wars. So the whole doomsday movie would not take place with all these other what if it collides beforehand?
Speaker 3:but that's the whole thing with secret wars, is it all culminates? Well, the all of the realities combining and then battle worlds created and so that's secret wars. So it would have to. The whole course of the movie would have to be all of these multiverses crashing in on one another and maybe, before that happens, maybe Doctor Doom has found a way to battle. I mean, go in and out of different realities and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what if Doomsday is the multiverse shattering and Secret Wars is Battleworld Like?
Speaker 3:specifically oh, I mean, that's 100, what's?
Speaker 1:gonna be.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying that's. There's a whole movie that has to happen before that happens. Yeah, you know what I mean, which.
Speaker 1:So I'm trying to figure out and I wonder do you know, even though it's a period piece. Do you know, kyle? Is it like fallout, where it's like it's?
Speaker 3:an alternate reality.
Speaker 1:It's an alternate reality, but still running at this like it's still 2020, whatever my theory, but they're just used like different tech. They all use old technology or something like that well, it's so.
Speaker 3:here's the thing this version of fantastic four because it does take place in the 60s it doesn't happen on earth 616. Yeah, it has to happen in a different reality, otherwise the Avengers would have heard of the Fantastic Four fighting this Dr Doom guy. So maybe at the end of that film something happens that brings them into Earth 616. Doomsday is around that.
Speaker 1:And then he shatters the multiverse.
Speaker 2:What if, right after Tony Stark dies in 616, that's when. That's when Doctor Doom transfers his consciousness into Tony Stark? Maybe it has something to do with.
Speaker 3:I'd be willing to bet that, for even though they never mentioned it up until the Deadpool films. But maybe Tony Stark was the anchor being for 616.
Speaker 1:And him dying.
Speaker 2:And that might have something to do with it, and then the TVA sent Doctor Doom to do this into that universe, or he took control of the To keep the timeline alive. That might.
Speaker 3:Or he took control of the To keep the timeline alive. Something with that might come into play too, because I could very easily see Tony Stark being the anchor being for 616.
Speaker 2:You think they can use the term anchor being and still have an understanding With the audience.
Speaker 3:Because it was? Because Rays are exclusionary.
Speaker 2:Partly that, and it's also just like. It's just kind of like a one-off film and that's such a defining thing in the universe now.
Speaker 3:Well, so we have to think about what Kevin Feige said. He said that if it's a level 8. Yeah, he said, if Infinity War and Endgame are level 9 and 10, as in terms of effect they have on the MCU, deadpool's an 8. So there has to have been something that happened in this movie that has an overall profound effect on the mcu. We just don't really know what it was yet.
Speaker 1:So there's something that so the anchor being, seems like the obvious thing that seems a big deal, well, but the thing is, is they kept referencing 616 as the sacred timeline?
Speaker 2:What does that even mean at this point?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I mean, does that do they? Does the sacred timeline need an anchor being, or was it just the offshoot.
Speaker 2:And why is it sacred?
Speaker 3:Maybe it's the sacred timeline, because every time it goes in a direction that they don't like, they're slowly like adding things to it. To, you know, and maybe somehow dr doom, at the end of fantastic four or some point in the doomsday movie, realizes that and he takes over, somehow asserts himself into tony stark's consciousness and mind in the sacred timeline, and that's how he, you know, is tony stark, or whatever we did see wanda put her mind across multiverses.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's this thing.
Speaker 3:We know that can happen, dr doom, he does magic dr doom is more powerful than dr strange as well when it comes to magic. Um, he's like mastery over it, but also he has a tony, stark level iron man suit, basically yeah and um, he's supremely intelligent.
Speaker 3:He can outthink anyone, say, for maybe like reed richards, which has been kind of a joke in the mcu. But reed richards, uh, is kind of like his, the antithesis uh to to dr doom. So is tony stark? I'd say tony stark, reed richards and dr doom are like the three most intelligent beings, powerhouse. Uh, when it comes to that room, you know, I think pym is more specialized though. Yeah, he's not, he's not as overall like same as also old, like bruce banner.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's very intelligent, but his, his gamma, his intelligence limits, is more specified in one area versus they're kind of like jack of all trades, these other characters just everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, more of a to go to more fun theory crafting, would you guys? Because I read there's different versions of dr doom as far as why he wears the mask and how his face is scarred. There's some where it's just a tiny cut and he, like that, horrifies him because he's so vain and so that's why you wear the mask and the other is like his face is just deformed. What would you guys prefer? I, I think the tiny cut would be funny I think it would be.
Speaker 3:It might be good for his character. Yeah, you know, if like, maybe not even a cut, maybe he's just so upset with like just the most minor of things, like the asymmetry of like freckles you know like and how, how like. That could be kind of poetic in a way where they're like talking about the monster within and he's constantly hiding and he takes it off at one point and he like looks perfect.
Speaker 1:You know, what.
Speaker 2:I mean, that could be pretty heavy symbolism. Brace yourselves, but who would play that Apparently?
Speaker 3:Robert Downey Jr.
Speaker 2:Oh wait, but that wouldn't be his true self, right.
Speaker 1:If we're going with the theory.
Speaker 3:They could still very much have two different actors playing the same character.
Speaker 2:How much is it actually going to be Tony Stark? Because he's just going amassed the whole time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean they could have a whole different actor playing Doctor Doom and then he could just take over the body of Tony Stark in like the last.
Speaker 2:Five minutes.
Speaker 3:Not the last five minutes but, like you know, a portion of it. Thirteen at least, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 3:Daniel Day-Lewis, I do agree it sucks that.
Speaker 2:This is what we're talking about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I feel like the conversation could be a lot more fun if we weren't having to discuss a whole theory on why Robert Downey Jr is, and they could just be, like you know, not even mention it at all. Maybe he pretend?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'm the dude playing the dude disguised as another dude well, what kind of magic does dr doom have, because his is like green? Is it green?
Speaker 3:it's uh, it's magic of the dark arts, meaning basically all. It's like the dark hole it's all of the stuff that um wanda, that the sorcerer, sorcerers aren't allowed to study. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:oh, it's that shit. Do you think then they're gonna prime benedict coverbatch to be like, become sorcerer supreme to take him down?
Speaker 1:I don't you know, ever since they made him not the Sorcerer Supreme? He kind of has nothing to do.
Speaker 3:Well, this could very easily give him something to do. So would they kill Wong?
Speaker 2:No, he just hands him the crown Because it's not like Wong has to be it forever now. Who do you?
Speaker 3:think are going to be the big players against Doom? Definitely strange. Obviously the Fantastic Four. It has to be it forever now. Who do you think are going?
Speaker 1:to be the big players against Doom, is it?
Speaker 3:characters. Obviously the Fantastic Four, but Reed Richards specifically has to be one of the big characters against Doom.
Speaker 1:Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 3:I think Doctor Strange has to be, Pedro Pascal is playing Reed Richards.
Speaker 2:Pedro Pascal is Reed Richards. We talked about it.
Speaker 3:I thought yeah, I thought it was a joke.
Speaker 2:I thought they were going to move on from that. After the reaction of people.
Speaker 1:I'm excited for him. I love Pedro.
Speaker 3:I'm a little saturated. He's definitely got to be one of them. It would make sense that Doctor Strange would be one of the big players.
Speaker 2:I don't think Thor could be in that movie. I think he could be in it, but I don't think he's going in that movie.
Speaker 3:I think he could. He could be in it, but I don't think he's going to be One of the big players against the Deadpool thing.
Speaker 1:He'll be off with.
Speaker 2:Deadpool why is he crying?
Speaker 1:Why is Thor crying?
Speaker 3:That happens in 616.
Speaker 2:I think Franklin Richards is going to be a big thing Could be. Franklin Richards is the son of Extremely powerful.
Speaker 3:What do they call it? Richards is going to be a big thing. I think franklin richards is the son of extremely powerful.
Speaker 2:Who's? Uh? What do they call it? Like the, I forget, like one of the supreme being, or something?
Speaker 3:he's like on the level of fully dark hold wanda yeah, as far as power goes, like he can create pocket universes it's like him odin and her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as like the like the strongest.
Speaker 1:Oh, the words escaping me Keep going. Yeah, do you? I mean, I know as much as Billy hates it. Spider-man.
Speaker 3:I don't think. I think he'll be a.
Speaker 1:You think he'll be with Deadpool and Thor.
Speaker 3:I think he'll be. He'll be important, but I don't think he's going to be a main player against Doctor Doom.
Speaker 1:Doctor Doom. Yeah, doom. Dr Doom, yeah, okay, sam, even saying that, my face kind of went yeah you. Captain America, captain America.
Speaker 3:Well, I don't think that. I think he'll be involved, but I think he's not going to be.
Speaker 1:Mr no Powers, I don't think he's going to be leading the charge. Shang-chi. Whatever happened to him Depends on Shang-Chi 2.
Speaker 3:Did he get canceled that movie did?
Speaker 2:so well.
Speaker 3:No, they're making the two, they're still. Yeah, they've just really slowed down.
Speaker 1:So I mean, depends on the second film. I guess with Shang-Chi he could be a big player. Um, who else we got? We got deadpool. I don't think. I mean, we know he's going to interact with thor somehow I wonder if they've released a cast list.
Speaker 3:yeah, on doomsday, doomsday, and they named it that on purpose, to like make people think of the Avengers instead of Doomsday from Superman. Yeah, plot under wraps so far. The Fantastic Four is for sure going to be in Doomsday.
Speaker 1:Pedro Pascal, vanessa Kirby, that should be obvious.
Speaker 3:The only actors confirmed for that movie so far is Robert Downey Jr in the Fantastic.
Speaker 1:Four.
Speaker 3:For Doomsday. Joseph Quinn is Johnny Storm.
Speaker 1:What if they bring back? Do you think they would bring back Wanda?
Speaker 3:They would, but I'm kind of over Wanda.
Speaker 1:Because they didn't show her. You know, they did the whole like her body. She may or may not be actually dead.
Speaker 3:What about Vision? What's this fuck been doing man? He's making Vision quests. He comes to a realization that flies off. We never see him again.
Speaker 1:For ten years.
Speaker 2:So Franklin Richards son of Reed and Sue in Fantastic Four, was one of the most powerful mutants on Earth. As a young boy, he began to exhibit immense psionic powers, Using his ability to see possible futures. He became a member of the Power Pack under the name Tattletail.
Speaker 1:Power Pack Tattletail God, that's a sucky-ass name.
Speaker 2:Tattletail and Nathaniel Richards. His grandfather raised him outside, raised him in a realm outside of time where he became the adult adventurer Psylord and founded the Fantastic Force Before Hyperstorm erased his adult form from existence.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 3:So, he's a permanent kid Hyperstorm. So, does it say?
Speaker 1:what kind of being he is Did it have the answer?
Speaker 2:No, I don't see it you would absolutely hate this character.
Speaker 3:I know I just realized that you would absolutely hate this character. I'm literally realizing that, because I'm like, oh it's cool, and I'm like he's like a 12-year-old, he's a permanent kid and you're like, my faith has been shattered, so I guess I don't know if they'd really venture into doing that, bringing Franklin Richards in.
Speaker 1:In chat they say they're bringing Wanda back for the new show on Disney. For the new show on Disney, the Agatha all along.
Speaker 3:In what capacity though? I wonder Is it going to be like? I don't know.
Speaker 1:Is it Evil Wanda?
Speaker 3:I mean, it seems pretty obvious that she didn't die.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, but like, who are the heavy hitters? In my opinion, I know as much as you are sick of him, he are the heavy hitters In my opinion, I know as much as you are sick of him he's a heavy hitter.
Speaker 3:Even I'm not necessarily a fan of Spider-Man, though I'm talking about people that are going to lead the offense, they're bringing her back for the new show on Disney.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we just said that. Oh, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 1:Thanks for listening to us. It really makes me feel appreciated.
Speaker 2:Someone has to ignore you, echo.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Hawkeye, some random street level fighter, what about?
Speaker 1:Guardians. I guess we could have the Guardians. I don't know how much they'd Like who from the Guardians we have.
Speaker 3:Honestly, I don't think it's gonna be anybody that was big players during the infinity saga so okay so try to think, except for strange except for strange. Strange was probably the biggest player of the infinity saga, but it wasn't like he was the one leading the chart. He saw this all happening, but he kind of just let it happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. I think his effect might be different. I mean, even when it comes to Guardians, characters. What is his name? Adam Warlock.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Adam Warlock would be really cool seeing a full-strength Adam Warlock, not like a kid, adam Warlock, not like a stupid baby. I guess you got. You got america, chavez, I don't know and I don't. I think it's, I think really it's going to come down to the fantastic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's gonna what about do you think they're going to bring the x-men? The x-men could be huge. Yeah, like, because I was I was expecting and kind of surprised that we didn't learn anything really about like how, like what was happening with, um, the fox universe, like you know, just kind of the way deadpool ended was everybody survived and they're all happy and together in the fox universe still yeah, they didn't go into, they didn't go into 616.
Speaker 1:So I wonder if they're they are going to bring the mutants over, or what they're going to do with that. What do you think?
Speaker 2:no idea, I think it's just we're so far out from like the plot.
Speaker 1:Who knows like they're probably writing the plot, right yeah?
Speaker 2:I mean honestly, like I don't even know what they're even gonna go into. I mean it's what's the setting? Is it in the 60s or in the future, or like that's gonna completely change how all this works.
Speaker 1:You know, like who can be involved, because then spider-man can't be involved well then, we don't know too, like I was saying, is it? Is it just it's the same time? It's just like Fallout, where technology never advanced past the 60s. I don't know, you know, because it could be that too.
Speaker 3:I don't think it's that.
Speaker 2:No, so it's just like a warped reality that is just stuck in time. Well, not stuck in time.
Speaker 1:But they took a different direction and they never like their technological advances Apparently. I mean, just stayed looking like 60s.
Speaker 3:Apparently, henry Cavill has been cast for more than just a cameo, really, yeah, but like, is he just going to play Wolverine or would he actually play like his own character? You know what? Loki, have him be Loki. He just gonna play wolverine, or is he? Would he actually play like, uh, his own?
Speaker 2:character you know what loki have him be loki.
Speaker 1:No, no loki.
Speaker 3:Oh, I know could stand up against dr doom loki could be a huge player, now that he's like an anti-hero because he could then like he could mimic himself, right.
Speaker 2:So he's still actually his physical form, is holding, holding shit down and he's actually like conversing with dr doom and at some point they leverage him as like hey, I have the power to erase you from all realities. You can keep fucking around like this.
Speaker 1:Well, reality you would love that, but they're not going to do that.
Speaker 3:That wouldn't. Loki loses a lot of that power at the end of Doomsday if all the realities become one. So then, loki goes.
Speaker 2:He has no bargaining chip.
Speaker 3:He basically goes back to how he was pre Loki TV show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but maybe that Feige says that that's the right thing to do. What Maybe Feige says that's the right thing to do?
Speaker 1:What is the right thing to do?
Speaker 2:To combine all stories into one.
Speaker 3:I love how he simps so hard for Loki and yet when we do this about Spider-Man, he's like oh my God, you guys are so funny, but he does the exact same shit for.
Speaker 2:Loki. He's a quality actor. Tom Hiddlesticks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, tom Hiddlesticks, not Tom Hiddlesticks. Baby, wrong Tom.
Speaker 1:Not the other, tom.
Speaker 2:No, he goes by, tommy. What?
Speaker 1:Tommy, I don't think they call him Tommy.
Speaker 3:He's not even that much younger than us. He's in his mid-20s, I know.
Speaker 2:And he actually plays. He's a great actor.
Speaker 3:I have nothing against him from that?
Speaker 2:Did we read this one? Did you guys ever read Secret Wars or anything leading up to Secret Wars? A long-ass time ago.
Speaker 1:I didn't. I almost don't want to, I know stuff that happens.
Speaker 3:He's going to read it right now I'm going to pull it all off.
Speaker 1:No, actually I'm looking to see when it came out Like one part that excites me and I know you're going to just instantly turn off your ears, billy but Spider-Man yes, no, secret Wars is originally when he gets his black suit. They retconned that. They retconned it to make it like an asteroid, but in the comics that's the first time you see it is because it's like a gladiator. Battle World is like a gladiator world and they have sets of weapons and stuff. And there's this armor and that's the black suit.
Speaker 3:He was actually even more powerful with the black suit originally. Was the black suit originally and it was because venom. It wasn't venom originally well, it was, but it's different.
Speaker 2:So the original origin story is peter's getting fucked up in battle world through drugs yeah yeah, no, through fighting why so my question is can I just stop you real quick right there and he no, I was in the middle of I want to talk about battle world like yeah, we still have time. Okay, okay, sorry where? Okay, okay, sorry.
Speaker 1:Where was I? He was getting fucked up.
Speaker 3:On drugs, yeah, on drugs. So he needed the suit so the suit was given to him on Battleworld and it uses a living organism to enhance all of his abilities, and that was the original way that he brought in the black suit, and then they retconned that in the series, so that is probably still a way. That's all I wanted to say.
Speaker 2:I just had a quick question. What is Battleworld? I've read it a couple times here. Why do we care about it? Is it just some alternate reality? That's self-contained If?
Speaker 3:I remember right, the Beyonder was the one that originally. I think I read that. I have to look it up. I think the Beyonder was the one that originally brought everyone in, but basically it's the Colosseum for all super-powered beings and they fight to the death he wants to watch them fight, so what's?
Speaker 2:the problem with that. What do you mean? Why does it need to be saved?
Speaker 3:Forcing heroes to kill each other.
Speaker 1:But if it's in to kill each other Like, all realities become that no other reality exists but that, oh yeah, everybody is forced to fight each other Like it's, they're Boy, they're gonna definitely have to break up the TTA.
Speaker 3:What if Henry Cavill's playing the Beholder?
Speaker 1:Yeah, henry he does the fist pump Honestly.
Speaker 3:Henry Cavill kind of does look like the beyonder the boundaries. Got like that dark hair and but kind of handsome.
Speaker 1:So you get why. Why now? It's important? Because it's like all the worlds collapse into the battle world and then there's someone they're forced to fight.
Speaker 3:Dr doom's the dictator of that world yeah, yeah, well, the beyonders, originally dr doom kind of takes over because somehow he outsmarts the Beyonder. I don't remember how.
Speaker 2:What does the Beyonder look like?
Speaker 3:That kind of does look like Henry Cavill.
Speaker 1:Heck, that could be him.
Speaker 3:That's the Beyonder. That wouldn't work now that he's been cameoed as Wolverine, though.
Speaker 2:Have you read the Secret Wars, Daniel? I'm curious.
Speaker 3:Honestly, I was probably like 10 last time I read it.
Speaker 2:You guys are right, then they're going to have to absolutely nuke the entire idea of the TVA and everything to have this battle world.
Speaker 1:And I hope it's gritty. I do hope we see Spider-Man get beat up so that he needs the black suit, but I want to see him. I want to see beloved heroes die. Yeah, I want it to be real, not just a candy land.
Speaker 2:I want real stakes. What if Hulk had his head ripped off? That's very possible. Who could do that? I don't know if.
Speaker 3:Canonically, I don't. There are definitely beings out there. Beyonder could kill all of them easily, really. Yeah, look up Beyonder's power levels. Right now he is.
Speaker 2:Wolverine and Doctor Doom outsmarted him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. Isn't he beyond. That's the guy that we're. That's why we need someone amazing to pull this off.
Speaker 2:And I guess that was. And we fucking kill Samuel.
Speaker 1:L Jackson. I just start recasting it it's chris evans everyone's just getting oh my god, chris evans.
Speaker 3:See, that's the stupid thing, because they they now they're going to be enticed to bring some of these characters back for shit like that, and be like well, you can just take on a new role they've already already shown in Deadpool that one character could play two different people and not be related with Chris Evans.
Speaker 2:It doesn't look like he's necessarily one being. It's a race of cosmically powered beings named the Beyonders and created the energy that became the cosmic cubes. Is that separate from Infinity Stones? They'll probably say it's Infinity.
Speaker 1:Stones. They'll probably say it's Infinity Stones. I bet they'll be like Infinity Stones.
Speaker 2:So these guys created the Infinity Stones. They'll probably say that One of these cubes gained sentience and called itself the Beyonder. Okay, and he looks like Henry Cavill. Wow, and at times this entity was believed to be the embodiment of another universe, or even mutant inhuman.
Speaker 1:Oh, I did have a question. So while he reads that Franklin Richards is a mutant but the Fantastic Four aren't, no, they got their powers through other means. Humans can have mutant children, I know, but so how do you distinct between them just passing down powers, because they had very well could be, but he was the mutants really.
Speaker 3:All really is if you're a mutant is if you're born on earth and you're born with those powers, then you kind of just get classified as a mutant, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, that makes sense yeah, dude, this guy is.
Speaker 2:I don't even know how you capture this on henry cavill like if this guy goes 1v1 versus Spider-Man, it's a fucking joke.
Speaker 3:Well, that's his thing. He would never go 1v1 against a hero. But, he finds enjoyment out of watching it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, virtually omnipotent, the Beyonder can change reality just by thinking. He has assumed various physical forms, created planets, planets, destroyed galaxies and taking control of every mind on earth yep and dr doom outsmarts him who's?
Speaker 3:human. So this is just a super quick synopsis. All right, this probably doesn't encapsulate all that happens. But while the beyonders decimate, this is how he collapsesulate all that happens. But while the beyonders decimate, this is how he collapses the multiverse, dr doom. While the beyonders decimated all who oppose them, including cosmic entities. Doom built a bomb using the molecule men after he had realized killing them was not going to save the multiverse. Doom used the molecule men bomb to slay the beyonders and then steal their power. So there's going to be a lot that goes into it. But Doom essentially either at the end of Secret Wars or at the end of his own film, is going to do this to this guy somehow. If they pull this off in a successful way, it's going to be fucking insane. Yeah, it's going to be the most wild shit you've ever seen.
Speaker 1:You know who? We could have Big Hero 6.
Speaker 3:Naturally.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that was a thing before Disney. Look at that it says September 1998 was the first time Big Hero 6 appeared.
Speaker 3:Big Hero 6, that's why Stan Lee makes a cameo in that movie. It's a Marvel film. It's a cartoon. It's a Marvel film. It's cartoons Pixar.
Speaker 1:But still he could show up in Battleworld, but the fact that he could how do they portray someone like this on film?
Speaker 2:I don't know, because he can literally warp reality. Oh, which is reality by thinking?
Speaker 3:They probably scale him way down.
Speaker 2:They could take, yeah, like Midget Hewlett-Jackman.
Speaker 1:Like literally scale him, thinking they probably scale way down, they could take.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like uh midget, uh, uh, jackman, he's just a little guy, but um, no, it's. He could literally just fucking think oh, I'm gonna swap the incredible hulk. His hands are now fucking glued together, you know, or? Or you know like yeah, exactly, you can't fucking like. Wanda or he's stuck in the ground or his muscles are actually water balloons.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like. So what ultimately would have to trip him up is the fact that he it has to be his own vanity Like he, so somehow it has to be his own vanity like he, so somehow he has to appeal. Somehow dr doom has to do something that appeals to the beyonder, um, in a way that he's gonna have to figure out a way to outsmart him but he's in a way that only potent.
Speaker 2:I got that's, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Occupation is criminal that's what he does what are you? I'm a professional criminal.
Speaker 1:I'm professional did you guys see not to change topics, but you reminded me, so they did test footage of Fantastic Four or something like that at Comic Con. Did you see the leaked image of Galactus? Yes, no. No.
Speaker 2:You guys want to look it up? Leaked image of Galactus.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:How does that look?
Speaker 1:He looks pretty cool. It's better than a cloud. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3:Doctor Doom's greatest power-up happened in Secret Wars, where he amassed so much raw power that he became hailed as God Emperor Doom.
Speaker 1:That's not the image.
Speaker 2:This is the one you were hyping. No, this is the greatest.
Speaker 3:That's like a future. Fights Like a mobile app.
Speaker 1:No, go to like images. It's him Looking through like right there, that middle one down, right there, that's the one down.
Speaker 3:Down Fortnite Season 4.
Speaker 1:Right there, that's the one.
Speaker 3:That's a leaked image.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, and this is like they just started filming.
Speaker 2:Can we make it so they can see? Yeah, I am Okay, I just want to pull it up. Here we go. Oh, hold on, here we go, boom, there we go, boom, there we go.
Speaker 1:He almost reminds me of dormammu. I think it looks cool. I think it. It reminds me of like the eternals, like the um, I mean he is I'm trying to get a sense of scale like is this just?
Speaker 3:like a, like six feet feet from nose to eyebrow, or is he much bigger than that?
Speaker 1:Who knows, maybe he can shrink himself.
Speaker 2:Is Galactus a hero or a villain? Villain, he's a villain.
Speaker 3:He literally eats planets.
Speaker 2:So where's our heroes coming from?
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying who are the players?
Speaker 2:It's not.
Speaker 3:Spider-Man, I'll tell you that much. He's Fantastic Four guy. Who are the players? It's not Spider-Man, he's.
Speaker 1:Fantastic Four guy and they got, they cast the Silver Surfer and that's their whole story.
Speaker 3:That's Harold. They cast Silver Surfer and the female version of Silver Surfer.
Speaker 1:And that's the whole story. The only reason the Fantastic Four win is because Silver Surfer becomes a good guy.
Speaker 3:Slash girl Good girl Silver Surfer is very powerful. He's, you know, like Superman level of powers, but he's up there.
Speaker 2:Didn't he make an appearance in Fantastic Four?
Speaker 3:In the OG Fox, one yeah, voiced by Lawrence Fishburne Morpheus Really, I didn't know that that guy's a stud.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I that that guy's a stud. Yeah, I mean I feel like. I feel like it's still set up For the Eternals. It is, but you can't.
Speaker 3:But they seemingly abandoned that. Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:It's like, okay, you had Superman In Marvel.
Speaker 1:It's Blade.
Speaker 3:There's only one Blade, motherfucker Galactus. I've come to bargain.
Speaker 2:It's Blade. They're going to bring Blade in. There's only one Blade, motherfucker.
Speaker 3:Galactus. I've come to bargain.
Speaker 2:Like do we sit here? He has to become Supreme Strange.
Speaker 3:Do we sit here and do we say, you know, we just have to have faith in Marvel, or, like Kevin Feige, or should we panic that they are?
Speaker 2:shooting really high. The sad thing is, if they're going to play with Galactus, his scale makes everything awkward.
Speaker 3:You can't show combat unless he's fighting other eternal beings unless he's fighting Ant-Man, who can scale up to him?
Speaker 2:just have a fucking fist fight. It's just like a boxing match.
Speaker 1:No powers is tall well, so I mean this is from the movie the fantastic four movie. So what that tells me is that the movie fantastic four, the main villain is probably going to be Galactus and not Doom. He has to have like Like he'll show up probably, but the main villain is Galactus.
Speaker 3:I think they're going to scale down powers, or do you think?
Speaker 2:they like, solicit the help from another Celestial they could do that too. Or whatever we have like a fucking. I'm a fire in my laser moment where they just what if Doctor Doom somehow absorbs the power of Galactus?
Speaker 3:Doctor Doom will get involved and he will help like truthfully only if it benefits him. So if he sees some kind of outcome of like if I help them I can usurp these powers somehow, he'll jump in For sure.
Speaker 2:What if, like, the movie pauses and, like, the watcher walks out and it's like not on my watch, not on my watch, and then the movie just ends snaps his fingers and resets reality but he can't do that, he just watches doesn't get involved
Speaker 3:it's illegal it's against the rules. The one above all says so.
Speaker 2:I don't know man.
Speaker 3:Now we're just getting ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Now we finally are ridiculous.
Speaker 3:If you could imagine any of these things, even being in the discussion 10 years ago, no one was thinking this.
Speaker 2:We're going to kill offony stark and then we're gonna bring him back.
Speaker 3:We're gonna introduce? Are you the insanity of all these superpowered characters?
Speaker 1:look I am a little disappointed that I do like. I'm happy that galactus looks like that and he's not a cloud, but I am kind of sad that that's who they're going to use for the first Fantastic Four movie. Yeah, it seems like a lot. What if? And we've already seen that movie.
Speaker 2:Hold on, though. If we're talking about the dream, what is it? The dream world or battle world, Battle world? Yeah, couldn't it be theoretically possible that fucking Odin's there? Yeah, no, I mean it could.
Speaker 3:That would be legit A supreme-powered Odin, because we're all.
Speaker 2:Well, he fucking is yeah, like that would be sick when he's like full-powered.
Speaker 1:It's the Loki-type thing again, where he's just like.
Speaker 2:It's the.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what is?
Speaker 2:it, yes, it's that whole side of the spectrum where they're just, they're the only ones that have the right power scale for this.
Speaker 3:Alright.
Speaker 1:Odin can.
Speaker 3:Well, no, here we go, A young version of Odin Henry Cavill. Dude, that's what I'm saying, henry.
Speaker 2:Cavill's British. That's what I'm saying. It's confirmed, naturally.
Speaker 1:I don't think he's going to be in Battleworld, because I think he's the main villain of the movie.
Speaker 2:That's why he's crying Because he's sad that his dad's better looking than him now.
Speaker 1:Who's crying? Thor With Deadpool yes, but I don't think Galactus is going to be involved. Did it look like?
Speaker 2:Thor. It looked like Matt Damon, didn't it? No, it was Thor. It was stock footage from the Dark World in, didn't it? No, it's thor.
Speaker 3:It did that was but it was like old, it was stock footage from the dark world was it. That's why it looked weird okay okay, um, just because he'll be in the first movie doesn't mean he's gonna just end I know, but I'm just saying I don't, like he said, who can rise up to fight him.
Speaker 1:I think it's gonna just be the fantastic four, like I think, and doom and the silver surfers let me stretch around him.
Speaker 2:I got him.
Speaker 1:Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2:I know His powers honestly Reed.
Speaker 3:Richards his powers of stretching this. That's actually just such a small part of what he offers to anything.
Speaker 2:It's really his intellect.
Speaker 3:Strategic planning estate planning financial.
Speaker 2:He's really good at setting up trusts, forecasting.
Speaker 1:Don't worry, guys, we're going to get your stocks all set Mergers acquisitions.
Speaker 3:He's kind of like a jack-of-all-trades financial. He'll handle it all. It's incredible what he can do with your estate.
Speaker 2:He's the king of the forex market.
Speaker 3:It's fantastic.
Speaker 1:He'll help you make four figures.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Wouldn't that be kind of sick though?
Speaker 3:We're already introduced to Odin. I'm making tens of dollars.
Speaker 2:What if it's Odin and Hela in their prime and they're fucking rolling, they're rolling in there. They're fucking rolling.
Speaker 1:I'm for it, I not. You're not. I feel the same way you feel about spider-man.
Speaker 2:How does it feel, you feel that hate boiling in that gut, that lower gut, but it's just funny.
Speaker 3:Oh okay, it's funny it's just funny that uh, you're again franklin hypocrite yeah
Speaker 2:franklin. So Daniel says again Franklin Richards makes Galactus his bitch.
Speaker 3:He does Franklin Richards. We're talking about who can fight the Beyonder 2 on top of that. Franklin Richards can easily.
Speaker 2:Oh and I immediately hate this movie because it's a 12-year-old gone. I got Galactus Like he's.
Speaker 3:Peter Pan or something.
Speaker 1:Well, we don't even know if his kid's in the movie.
Speaker 3:Do we?
Speaker 1:No, but in theory it's possible If Galactus is there, but they beat him last time in the Fox universe without Franklin. They beat Galactus, they did.
Speaker 3:That was a very poor rendition of Galactus?
Speaker 1:I don't even recall it was Silver Surfer. Is that where?
Speaker 2:they shot the thing into the sky or whatever. No Silver.
Speaker 1:Surfer like led him away You're thinking of October Sky.
Speaker 3:It's a movie with Jake Gyllenhaal about model rockets.
Speaker 1:Yes, that movie, that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, floating things, flying things? Yeah, no, dude, that would be kind of sick. Odin and Hela, just full fucking power. We're already introduced to the characters. We already know their power scale. Odin had to be nerfed for this to make any sense. Well, you know what You've introduced Power Creep. All right, your game has evolved. There's Power Creep. Let's bring back some power.
Speaker 1:You want this so bad Because it would be sick. Henry Cavill is fucking.
Speaker 2:Odin in his prime, literally the fucking dude. Every list starts with him as like the supreme power. I'm so happy that you're excited.
Speaker 1:Juiced. My believability that this will happen is like at one Juiced Out of 100.
Speaker 3:I don't think I've ever gotten more than 10%, though, in this whole conversation about anything we discussed and whether or not these things are going to happen.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think we're at 0% of us predicting anything. I think that we've what if we nail it. Let me. Let's take a wild guess here, Iron Patriot is going Brody.
Speaker 1:Brody baby, Bring him back. No Iron Patriot, Harry or Magneto comes back and saves the day.
Speaker 2:and saves the day. Galactus is all iron. He just moves and crushes him. You're mine bitch.
Speaker 3:He's controlling him like a puppet in a fight. What's happening?
Speaker 1:Is Doom. Is his metal not work against Magneto, or could Magneto just fuck him up?
Speaker 3:His is completely non-magnetic the Moon Knight.
Speaker 1:I mean, he's in the universe, you guys are killing me.
Speaker 3:Lol, molecule man Well he's going to be in the. They need a bomb he's one of the contributing parties to defeating the Beyonder Molecule man.
Speaker 2:They create a bomb out of him. Tom Cruise plays him. He's 5'7er Molecule man. They create a bomb out of him. Tom Cruise plays him Apparently. He's 5'7" Molecule man Apparently.
Speaker 3:Dr Doom somehow creates a bomb out of Molecule man. So does he torture him, kill him, put him inside of a ball? I don't know what he does, I haven't. God, I was a kid, you know. I don't even remember that part.
Speaker 2:I wonder is there a different version of Secret Wars. Moondragon kind of gets it, man.
Speaker 3:Wow, god dang Kind of looks like a hotter version of Cassandra Nova.
Speaker 1:I was going to say I thought that was Cassandra Nova. What if we bring in Reaper?
Speaker 3:Reaper Red Ghost Lobo.
Speaker 1:We can have Henry Cavill. Henry Cavill, no, that's.
Speaker 3:DC. Lobo I don't even know who Lobo is.
Speaker 2:What if they spawn in Thanos? I don't need Thanos there we go.
Speaker 1:Let's have Thanos.
Speaker 3:Thanos would be like man. I really had no effect on anything.
Speaker 1:Let's have Thanos play. Doctor Doom, not Josh Brolin. Doom Like not Josh Brolin, just Thanos Josh.
Speaker 2:Brolin as Thanos Acting as an actor For Doctor Doom. Now you're starting to make sense.
Speaker 3:Before I wasn't believing anything you were saying.
Speaker 2:Hear me out. They put Hulk In a giant torture chamber, indestructible, and they torture him until he just gets angrier, angrier and angrier. And he keeps getting bigger and bigger and more jacked. And then they unleash him to fight Gleck 1v1. Mono-y, mono.
Speaker 3:Planet Buster Hulk might have a chance?
Speaker 2:Possibly, yeah, but Planet?
Speaker 3:Buster Hulk actually. I mean, he fought heroes, heo e Mono. Planet Buster Hulk might have a chance, possibly, yeah, but Planet Buster Hulk actually, I mean he fought heroes, he didn't fight villains.
Speaker 2:Need to see it. Need to see it.
Speaker 1:Hawkeye, I mean, he's still around.
Speaker 3:Human. What if we have?
Speaker 1:all the kids that they've set up. We have Kamala. We have Hawkeye Jr. Oh no, we have Kamala. We have Hawkeye Jr. Oh no, we have Kamala Khan, we have.
Speaker 3:All led by Peter.
Speaker 1:Parker. This is how they do it, all led by Peter Parker.
Speaker 2:The Kid Avengers, the TVA shatters to create this battle world. All of the Infinity Stones that they had collected drop into the universe and somebody has like six Power Stones.
Speaker 3:I'm over the Power Stones.
Speaker 2:I'm over the Infinity Stones Power.
Speaker 1:Stones. They're called Power.
Speaker 2:Stones. I'm just talking at this point.
Speaker 3:Well, he's saying if there's multiple Power Stones, and so it's a gauntlet of all Power Stones.
Speaker 2:Yeah Instead of like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's bedazzled with infinity stones, it's all purple like the whole universe shit you're gonna take the Milky Way and push it on three.
Speaker 2:Three, I mean, as silly as that sounds, I would love.
Speaker 1:Oh shit. One, three. What Three? I mean, as silly as that sounds, I would love to see that animated or done like with CG Heart of the Beast Hulk.
Speaker 2:Is that a person? Beast Hulk, heart of the Beast he says Heart of the Beast Hulk.
Speaker 3:What is that? I don't have any knowledge on this.
Speaker 2:Me neither, I'm a big Hulk fan, let's fucking dive into it. So, hulk, I gotta go to age.
Speaker 3:Oh, the new biggest player is Ned Leeds With his Morbius.
Speaker 1:Morbius guys, heart of the Beast, hulk. Morbin time we bring in Jared Leto.
Speaker 2:Hercules. Well, technically he's in there, he is Zeus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're to come after Thor.
Speaker 2:Howard the Duck. Howard the Duck, yes, the Incredible.
Speaker 3:Hulk Heart of the Monster, Hulk stronger than Immortal Hulk Stronger than Immortal Hulk. Yeah, Heart of the Beast, Well everything. When I typed Heart of the Beast, it pulled up Heart of the Monster Hulk.
Speaker 2:Heart of the Monster Hulk. Heart of the Monster Hulk. I don't see anything in my encyclopedia.
Speaker 1:Encyclopedia, encyclopedia, heart of the.
Speaker 3:Monster. It's newer. Let's see Jarvis found the location Okay, that's not Heart of the Monster Hulk's iconic mission.
Speaker 2:Hulk weighs 1, 1040 pounds. That's insane. He's so shredded. You think he's natural, he's juicing I would love to see More plates, more dates, do a breakdown, a review.
Speaker 3:See here, he's really angry, right now Derek from moreplatesmoredatescom does a breakdown on the Incredible Hulk oh wait, here we go.
Speaker 2:He breaks down his cycle. Dude, the Hulk is the only one that has two fucking pages. Are you finding anything? What is this? The Heart of the Beast Hulk?
Speaker 3:It's a whole story arc called Heart of the Monster. Evidently he becomes very, very, very powerful at the end of it.
Speaker 2:Whoa, I just read huge spoilers, hulk is Bruce. Banner. Hulk turns to Doctor Doom to physically separate him from Banner, taking part of his brain and putting it into a clone body. Banner eventually figured out how to make them whole again.
Speaker 3:Oh okay well that sucks the Hulk scene in.
Speaker 3:Heart of the Monster Hulk essentially is world breaker Hulk taking a whole new level of power among the strongest forms, the strongest forms of Hulk has ever assumed. It perhaps peaks the story's finale when Hulk and Red She-Hulk new level of power among the stronger forms of the strongest forms of hulk has ever assumed. It perhaps peaks the story's finale when hulk and red she-hulk are tricked back to earth to confront a gamma charge, fin fang foom absorbing the energy, and dragon had stolen hulk's giant size. Only the realization of hulk's earth stops hulk. With the last of the wishing wells power, all folks return to normal. I need an example of power levels, though. Like what did he do that other than just saying he's so powerful?
Speaker 2:He's the Hulk, okay.
Speaker 3:Two are one and the same.
Speaker 2:They need to have. They could have done that to revive the MCU. Just a really good Hulk movie.
Speaker 1:How strong is World.
Speaker 3:Breaker Hulk World Breaker Hulk was stronger than any mortal and most immortals in the Marvel Universe.
Speaker 2:There's a lot. I need something, I need to visualize and see he could flick his finger and destroy.
Speaker 3:Worldbreaker Hulk feats. He pulled together the tectonic plates of a planet.
Speaker 2:That would be a scene. We're having an earthquake. He just locks the fucking tectonic plate down. I got this.
Speaker 3:That's pretty fucking wild. Star of Hercules. There's a thing called the Pantheon team that's focused on disaster relief and rescue missions so world breaker hulk has seen to be able to, uh, lift the weight of two octillion tons. In other words, he could move stars, yeah, and not die from them.
Speaker 2:Two stars, not one, one in each hand.
Speaker 3:Just how much?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm looking it up too, I can't find feats of Heart of the Beast or Heart of the Monster.
Speaker 3:It's Worldbreaker Hulk Heart of the Monster, Heart of the Monster. It's Worldbreaker Hulk Heart of the Monster, Heart of the Beast. Is that storyline?
Speaker 1:But it says Heart of the Beast Goes beyond Is what I found right here. It's his final form, pretty much.
Speaker 3:It says An octillion is a trillion quintillion.
Speaker 2:One trillion quintillions. What are these?
Speaker 3:fucking numbers. How much is an octillion? It is One, followed by 27 zeros. What?
Speaker 2:the fuck. So Bring the Hulk back.
Speaker 3:So he can lift two, followed by 27 zero tons.
Speaker 2:So if I ever see him 1v1ing Black Widow, all right, I'm going to have a fucking problem.
Speaker 3:They got plenty of 1v1s.
Speaker 2:It's getting real late, big guy.
Speaker 3:That's my one weakness. It's the lady powers.
Speaker 1:See. So I guess in the dark dimension the Hulk admits to his allies that when he had previously taken on the world breaker form, he had always been holding back oh Jesus, what the fuck and he's in the dark dimension, which allows his, his potential to grow even further beyond, you know, like super saiyan 3 is to go even further, yeah um, so maybe, maybe, once he learns about this existential threat, he goes to the dark.
Speaker 1:Yeah, without the need for restraint, hulk's power can grow exponentially. It says in the dark dimension is where he goes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's my guy.
Speaker 1:It doesn't, but it doesn't. It just says the hulk scene here is a world breaker taken to a whole new level of power. It's like what does that mean, though? What does that mean, though? What does that mean I?
Speaker 2:don't even think they can interpret it, you just need to know, yeah. The only feat that.
Speaker 3:Worldbreaker Holt did that. They've been able to put a scale on. It is yes, he was able to move the entire sun, and the sun is two octillion metric tons, which is a two followed by 27 zeros and he moved it.
Speaker 2:So he flew, he somehow flew into it and moved it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and he was holding back apparently he was holding back moving the fucking sun.
Speaker 2:I think we're not I mean we're never getting that Hulk.
Speaker 1:That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2:Because what does that look like dude? He's just this little guy, little guy, still 8 feet. But then like, can you come move a son? They zoom out and it's like you don't even see him anymore. Why is?
Speaker 3:the son moving. Why did he have to move the son?
Speaker 2:I need to read this story, figure out what this is thank you for that, daniel, because that's some interesting shit, man, my god. Well, boys dylan, where can they find us?
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Speaker 1:Oh no, this was.
Speaker 3:These were 100% spot on predictions.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, you'll see, you're right, you'll see, we're actually in Feige's in our pocket.
Speaker 3:Here's the thing we said so many outlandish crazy things, we went so many directions tonight that inevitably there will be something that lands. True, and it will super minor, but it'll land and we'll be like remember when we predicted this, we called it, we so called it.
Speaker 2:We knew there would be dramatic lighting.
Speaker 1:There's a sad moment, sad moment we fucking knew it.
Speaker 3:I knew that they're going to play in on the weight, the emotional weight, of that choice.
Speaker 2:I knew they had music.
Speaker 1:It's a movie I told you.
Speaker 3:We've been right at least 20% of the time.
Speaker 2:At least we nailed the Elden Ring hand. We're going to be right the second time. A clock's right twice a day.
Speaker 1:What were we right?
Speaker 3:about Elden Ring. I was like a regular clock should be right all the time, but a broken clock.
Speaker 2:But how right is right? It's left, that's right. What did we predict?
Speaker 1:in Elden Ring.
Speaker 2:The hand for the DLC. The hand.
Speaker 3:The most obvious prediction.
Speaker 2:I was like we were on the cutting edge, though.
Speaker 3:The thing that 99% of all the other players predicted.
Speaker 2:We were first, though. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 3:And I will think that we were definitely right about all our predictions around Cyberpunk several years back.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Yep.
Speaker 2:We got all those. We got all those Pan Am.
Speaker 3:We've been doing this for four years now.
Speaker 2:Almost and remember good kitty, you get it done.
Speaker 1:Bye guys.