The KD Ratio!
The KD Ratio!
Unpacking X-Men, Film Mysteries, and Gaming Gems
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What happens when you mix the humor of speaking binary with the deeply engaging dynamics of the X-Men universe? Find out in our latest episode where we kick things off with some light-hearted banter before engaging in passionate debates about the games we've been playing, including Baldur's Gate and Mass Effect. But the real highlight is our in-depth review of the Cyberpunk X-Men series. We marvel at the incredible animation, especially during the fight scenes featuring Wolverine and Nightcrawler, and dive into Magneto's intense mental struggle. If you're an X-Men fan, you won't want to miss our thoughts on the future of the franchise!
Ever wondered why a show's creator might get fired and the implications behind it? We tackle this controversial topic head-on, emphasizing the importance of understanding the reasons behind such decisions before jumping on the bandwagon. Shifting gears, we share our thoughts on the upcoming season of X-Men 97, highlighting its stunning animation and compelling storytelling. We don't shy away from critiquing weaker episodes but assure you that the three-part finale is an absolute must-watch. We also speculate on future story arcs, character developments, and the formidable presence of Apocalypse as a major antagonist.
From the intense world of X-Men, we journey into the captivating plot of a film featuring Geoffrey Rush as an antiques expert caught in a web of mystery and romance. The film's engaging narrative and unexpected twists, including a shocking heist, keep us on the edge of our seats. Plus, we chat about underrated movies, classic favorites, and upcoming releases like "Furiosa." Our gaming adventures include Sekiro, The Outer Worlds, and board games like Settlers of Catan and Disney's Villainous. And, of course, we couldn't resist celebrating the underrated gem "Galaxy Quest." Don't miss our hilarious shorts and join us for live streams every Tuesday at 7 pm Pacific time!
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Speaker 2:Whoa, I didn't know you spoke robot. Pretty impressive, right that is. You should put that on your resume. Bilingual.
Speaker 3:Binary.
Speaker 2:Beep boop, boop bop. So fucking awkward. I can't think of any good witty jokes.
Speaker 1:He's like wow.
Speaker 2:I can't compute Jokey witty jokes he's like wow, I can't compute Jokey. Normally, when I say something like that, you come back pretty quick with something and so, like when you didn't say anything, you're just smiling, looking back and forth.
Speaker 1:How about this? I had about three things loaded up, but let's say they're a little edgy for this podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is a family show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what it is. That's what I was hesitating for. Gentlemen, we had a couple weeks gap. We recorded last week yeah, this week's coming in hot. We got some big stuff to talk about. What have you guys been playing?
Speaker 2:Nothing.
Speaker 1:Baldur's Gate. Oh God, you're lame. Let me talk about no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:I I okay, you can talk about it.
Speaker 1:Talk about baldur's gate. I have talking about mess shivers binary no, not about baldur's gate.
Speaker 3:I've been playing mass effect shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2:We're not talking about baldur's gate.
Speaker 3:I'm not talking about mass effect I wanted to talk about cyberpunk x-men. I finished it. I watched the last episode Finally, bro.
Speaker 1:Wow, All right here we are. Coming to you live, guys, a few weeks behind, a few months behind I know that everyone was waiting to hear our review before they watched it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were they were, reviews were virtually non-existent.
Speaker 3:Well, we could give a a season.
Speaker 2:Hashtag thoughts.
Speaker 3:Hashtag thoughts. I thought it was really good. I thought they set up some exciting um like storylines for next season and um, the animation killed it. I think they did a great job of like in the whole season overall. It kind of it starts off with like the traditional, like it looks like the old show, and then at one point it kind of slips into where they start to incorporate more modern. Yeah, and I really love that.
Speaker 2:I think it shines specifically in the fight scenes.
Speaker 3:Oh, 100%. Yeah, it's just so good in the fight.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, the fight scene with Wolverine and Nightcrawler versus the human Sentinels. Dude, when Wolverine gets blasted in the sky and he's just slicing people on his way down and then he swords he's controlling one sword with his tail. Yeah, they're just slicing fools and I love that they did that as a way to get around the whole like tvma thing because, like we'll just, they're humans but but they're robot humans.
Speaker 2:So, they use that as an excuse to let Wolverine just shred people. And it's so good. I love that fight scene, man, the final episode in particular, the whole Wolverine trapped in his own mind thing after the fallout between their mind battle. You mean Magneto trapped in his mind? Why did I say Wolver battle? Yeah, like you mean magneto trapped in his mind, why did I say wolverine? Magneto yeah magneto trapped in his mind um I was like that was so good.
Speaker 2:Like that whole, like everything about, like the back and forth between charles uh magneto and trying to get him to trust him, but he doesn't remember who he doesn't remember and like, uh, he's, he's about to like basically be trapped in a comatose state forever and then him overcoming that and like I just I always have loved the magneto professor x relationship, um, and this was like a lot of that and really well done really well done.
Speaker 2:It makes me really like man. How awesome would it be to see that exact thing play out, but with, like, michael fassbender and james mcavoy. It would have been so good. It makes me hopeful for when they finally bring an x-men into mcu I know I want them to keep those writers make, make.
Speaker 3:Have them make the movie.
Speaker 2:I know that you said the creator got bowed for some unknown reason they haven't revealed what he got fired for, and he hasn't revealed it either. And so, like a lot of people are like you know, like bring him back, bring him back. But I'm like maybe we should like know exactly why they let him go to begin with. It could be something stupid yeah, it could be, but it could be something pretty serious too. We don't know. And the fact that he's not talking about it he probably just signed an NDA, so it's probably not a huge deal or whatever it was, but I'd like to know before I jump on the bring him back bandwagon, because what if it turns out he punched a co-worker or something?
Speaker 2:It could be anything. Not that I'm saying, it's that we should be careful on the whole uncanceling of someone.
Speaker 3:He was just the head writer.
Speaker 2:He was the showrunner. It was basically his vision that created that. The next season is also going to be his, because he finished season two before they let him go yeah, and season two is rumored to be dropped this holiday season. Wow, yeah, that's that soon, because it was such a success that they it's already done. They're like, let's just drop it again.
Speaker 3:It's gonna be some apocalypse shit yeah, well, and they teased apocalypse, and they teased um, uh, what is I forget?
Speaker 2:this the storyline, but like uh, in the future yeah, cable cable. Just nathan, at this point, he's not cable, he's not cable yet.
Speaker 3:Um, so that'll be interesting. I I love like you, kyle, I love the animation, especially in the last few episodes. Well, I mean the whole show, but, um, I was never really a big fan of jubilee, but how they draw her fighting is so fucking cool yeah, when she I don't even know what she like, how she was doing it when she was using her fireworks fireworks. Yeah, she's just like, like light manipulation.
Speaker 2:I'm not even really 100 sure, sure what her powers are, but apparently she can make that shit hot yeah, because she was melting fools.
Speaker 3:It was cool. And then I do think there was some weak episodes. I do have to say you know, I know we're praising it but like to me I know you liked it I didn't like the Storm episode. I thought it was the Storm episode.
Speaker 2:I thought it felt out of place where they put it yeah just pacing wise, because it happens right after Genosha and I was like well that was such a high, so it felt like that should have happened before Genosha yeah, like it should have been.
Speaker 3:I don't like that.
Speaker 2:It happened right after and we didn't get to see everything resolved in Genosha until after storm's episode if I remember right, I think I said that that was one of the weaker ones, because that was also the motendo. Oh yeah, I liked storm as a character and I thought that the second part of life death wasn't bad, but I felt like it was a little choppy. It kind of cut up the more interesting parts.
Speaker 2:But I also kind of felt that way, I'm not going to lie. I kind of felt that way a little bit about the Goblin Queen episode.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I only like it because of the animation. That's when I felt like they were like, let's modernize it a little bit. The first, like the fire.
Speaker 2:The second episode was almost peak, and then the Genosha episode was peak, and then that three-part finale was amazing. Everything else was good. It just wasn't on that level for me, but overall the series is a 9 out of 10 for me if I were to look at it as a collective whole.
Speaker 3:Definitely it's up there with Loki. For me, loki season 1 and season 2.
Speaker 2:If only it was live action, then Billy would be partaking in the conversation.
Speaker 3:Nah, I'm enjoying listening. Are you interested to watch it at all?
Speaker 2:You can't get past it.
Speaker 1:I probably will at some point. Now that it's all out, I probably will just sit down and binge it.
Speaker 2:There at some point Now that it's all out.
Speaker 3:I probably will just sit down and binge it, because they're 30-minute episodes, right.
Speaker 1:Some of them are longer, 30 to 45, and then there's how many of them? There's eight.
Speaker 2:So I can knock it out in the afternoon or something. Was there 10?
Speaker 1:I think there's only eight. I think it's eight. I was following along with you guys.
Speaker 2:The finale was a three-part finale.
Speaker 3:I liked it because all three parts were pretty long, Like it's not like you know, 20 minutes on the last part.
Speaker 2:No, it was like I think 50 minutes on the last part. Yeah, you get like a good hour and a half or more out of that finale. Yeah, no commercials, so it's all solid, you know.
Speaker 3:And I do have to say the first episode. I think it has a slow start so you have to go power through. Yeah, that one is more to kind of refresh you on who the x-men are, where x-men 97 was. When it ended I still think it was good, but I think it's in comparison to like episode two.
Speaker 2:Two all of a sudden goes, you know it takes this huge upturn and oh I think, like also you kind of you said, you got this vibe of it felt like Power Rangers.
Speaker 1:Saturday morning or something.
Speaker 2:I think maybe that might have existed a little bit in the first episode, but that didn't really last long. Shit hits the fan really quickly and it's TV-14. It's not aimed at children. It's aimed at at least teenagers is the idea.
Speaker 1:I think that was sort of because I was living vicariously through you when you first started watching it and you said when you started it you were kind of like eh, where's this? From how Kyle was talking about it to what was. And then, once you got to like two, three and four, you were like okay there's actually a pretty dramatic shift.
Speaker 2:One thing you have to consider is episodes one and two launched at the same time so in my first viewing, I watched episode two already.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I had already seen that by the time I talked to you, I'd already seen the first two episodes yeah, and I would say the the difference like episode one is kind of like you, you get introduced to sunspot and that's he's kind of like the go team, like he's your the audience's window into the x-men, like that's what he's supposed to be, but very soon they kind of drop. Like he's still in it but they kind of like all right, let's focus on magneto and they definitely are like who are the interesting players?
Speaker 2:yeah, you know like sunspot is kind of just there as a story device to explain what's going on. Like Sunspot's there and like, well, this is blah, blah, blah Sunspot. You know it's better than that, but that's almost why he's there. And then they throw in the whole like you know thing where his family is.
Speaker 2:They don't yeah they don't like mutants and stuff. It's kind of interesting, but I'm more interested in Sunspot. Now that he's using all his powers and he's full power level, was Sunspot one of the ones that went back in time? No, he's still in the present with Jubilee.
Speaker 3:Because they were still on Earth, they were still looking up.
Speaker 2:They're literally at the end of the series and we've already so much and that you don't seem to care, so I'm just gonna keep going they.
Speaker 2:So there's like a a time like explosion, where asteroid m yeah um, where a whole group of them went back in time. They were sent back to like ancient egypt, where apocalypse first was around. He was like the first ever mutant and that's why he's so powerful, because he's been alive all this time and he's like not quite, uh, like a thanos level threat, but he's up there for sure you've seen him in a movie he.
Speaker 2:That was a very bad representation of apocalypse, but apocalypse has been in the movies um, so they're, they go back in time and it's when he's like he's first, like kind of like seeing his powers and stuff. Um, that'll be interesting because they could do anything with that.
Speaker 2:Like apocalypse could be a good guy they could do the whole corruption of apocalypse or, like you know, they could do some type of they could even like bring a good apocalypse to help fight the bag up bad apocalypse in the future, like there's so many things they could do with that, and then, like some of them, went to the future it was only two of them.
Speaker 3:Right, it's only.
Speaker 2:It was gene and scott yeah, conveniently they're like oh hey now that we're by ourselves, um. So that'll be interesting because then we could see the arc of how, like, nathan becomes Cable, you know. So it's just like a lot of really cool things they could do. They teased potentially bringing Gambit back to life as like a Because Apocalypse has these followers, kind of in the same way that Thanos does, but Apocalypse has.
Speaker 2:He calls them the four horsemen of the Apocalypse Famine death, famine death and whatever. Horsemen of the apocalypse, famine death, famine death and whatever. And so he like he imbues mutants with like tremendous power and then he makes them one of his horsemen and they they kind of tease that they're going to bring gambit back to life as one of apocalypse four horsemen, so like he's not going to be like the same gambit, but he's going to be like an evil version of gambit. Um, so we'll see what happens. It can go anywhere, but I'm super excited on how it left off. It's one of the best things. It's one of the most hyped things I've been about Marvel in at least a couple of years, for sure.
Speaker 1:Who plays? Haven't we seen Gambit on screen before?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was played by Taylor Kitsch.
Speaker 3:Yeah from John Carter from Mars. Yeah, that guy gambit on screen before. Yeah, he was played by taylor kitch.
Speaker 2:Yeah from john carter from mars yeah that guy geez, that's not, he played kind of a shitty version of gambit in x-men origins wolverine I mean a lot of, sadly, a lot of the the live action x-men aren't as developed. They're not as well cast as wolverine x-men sort of, and this is not just the movies, it's also the comics and the TV show. It sort of became like Wolverine and the X-Men, you know, like it was the Wolverine show plus the X-Men and they definitely in this series they let Wolverine, he has his moments of badassery for sure, but the show's not his show.
Speaker 2:It's like he's one of the supporting characters. I would argue that it's more like Rogue, Cyclops, Magneto and Charles. It's like they're the main focus and that's kind of what I liked about I mean, obviously Rogue and Cyclops weren't in it, but that's kind of what I liked about First Class.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's because it was.
Speaker 3:It was the people you're not used to. They have more interesting characters than just Wolverine, you know.
Speaker 2:But he's popular for a reason. Wolverine's cool, yeah, but it's nice to let other people shine.
Speaker 1:Was Wolverine the go-to guy in the X-Men comics as well.
Speaker 2:Or did Hugh Jackman's portrayal just? He got really wolverine, got really popular in the 80s and 90s and he actually wasn't even in the x-men. When it first came out, um, it wasn't much. It wasn't until like later, um, and then the x-men tv show, which this is a continuation of, also was very heavily focused on wolverine. And then when, uh, hugh jackman took over, it was it that like solidified it as he's the main character. Um, but when x-men first came out, uh, it was beast jean, gray, cyclops, ice man, angel, angel and professor x. That was the x-men, that was it and beast was human he was still in his human.
Speaker 2:He wasn't hairy, he just had he just had big feet yeah, he was.
Speaker 2:He was beast light like he was like he had all like the same powers. But um, he turned it, which happened in the movies too. Yeah, he turned into the hairy beast when he would like, when he tried to cure himself he tried to cure himself. And then what it did it like it was the opposite and it mutated him even more and he became even more beast like, because you know beasts are blue naturally naturally you know funny story about that is um, they used to pick colors like that like thing is orange, beast is blue, hulk is green.
Speaker 2:Um, because it was easier to print vibrant colors. Back in those days they had hard. Gray Hulk was originally gray and they had a hard time. The gray would be different colors depending on the page and it wasn't consistent. Because they had a hard time being consistent with gray. And so Stan Lee was like well, what color can you do? That's consistent. And they were like green. He was like all right, make Hulk green. And that was literally all the thought they had in it. And then now it's such an iconic color for the Hulk.
Speaker 1:I almost like that they use vibrant colors because it makes the characters truly do feel completely different, make them pop. And you could do so much with like gamma, being green and like you know, gamma, gamma radiation and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it just kind of worked out that way that that he's green and you know. But they didn't even think about that at the time. It was just because they say green was the easiest, easiest color to be consistent with and stanley was like all right, sure it is wild how that ends up influencing, because that story reminds me of like with dragon ball.
Speaker 3:Goku, like super saiyan, is only blonde because it was cheaper to make the hair white in the manga, and so like that's it. That's the only reason it was cheaper. Rather than fully shade in his black hair, they're like let's just make it like white and then and then there's whole story, reasons as to why that happens and it completely changes everything. But at first it was just budgetary reasons. It's like we can't afford to make his hair black every single it's so weird, it's too much.
Speaker 2:I would be way cheaper, I guess, to not put any color versus all black.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Every single page. How much ink that would add up for all those different copy runs. Like that, one decision saved us $700,000.
Speaker 2:What the fuck, it was like that. One person that was like got the promotion, Like listen here.
Speaker 1:Like director of hair choice. Like hmm, have you thought about maybe making it white, like oh?
Speaker 2:my God.
Speaker 1:Fucking genius.
Speaker 2:So yeah, X-Men 97. I know we're late to the party, but Go check it out. If you haven't watched it. If you're a Marvel fan, watch it. If you're an X-Men fan, definitely watch it, and it's good all around.
Speaker 3:It's right on par with loki for me. Like it like some of the best marvel tv that marvel has put out.
Speaker 1:I think like those two are top contenders, everything else falls below it at least in recent times yeah, I mean, I was gonna say wandavision for me, still up there wandavision is up there, but it's, but it's not as good as this. That line still haunts me like what is grief, but love persisting, or something oh, I thought you were gonna say that they'll never know what you sacrificed when, when, like.
Speaker 2:They try and make her the hero at the end, even though she's been torturing she was the one that kidnapped the town, and then she let the town go.
Speaker 1:Branding all these people to submit to her will and then they get two seconds like I can't help me please, my fucking mind's scrambled, it's like oh, poor Wanda.
Speaker 3:You lost your boyfriend. They'll never know what you sacrificed.
Speaker 2:I still to this day, though, even though the series as a whole isn't in that upper echelon for me, but I do think that the vision versus vision fight um is one of the the best fight scenes in marvel for me, almost because it's. It's not a fight, it's just so much as it is a like a philosophy debate.
Speaker 2:Yeah and I love that that was at first. I was ready for them to throw down superman style, you know, just go crazy and then, like when they stopped and just started having discussions, like and I love that At first I was ready for them to throw down Superman style, just go crazy. And then, when they stopped and just started having discussions, I was like this is so perfect for who he is as a character.
Speaker 1:Aren't they making Vision Quest I hope so Last time.
Speaker 2:we just see him fly away and that's it.
Speaker 3:He's pondering deeply. This is shaking me to my core.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he didn't even care when. When wanda went insane, I really want to see like, okay, we were able to create this guy from pure vibranium or whatever. Like I'm kind of over that as an excuse. Yeah, vibranium, he doesn't have the infinity stone, so it's like that. That, to me, was how it like. That's how it was originally pitched is that's how the whole thing worked now he doesn't now he's just pure vibranium and that's somehow just as good. It says like it has he been power limited because he doesn't have the stone anymore.
Speaker 2:I'm curious to see how they they play that out on screen and what things he has and doesn't have anymore I think we talked about this in the past, though, how we got tired, as we got really tired of vibranium as a writing device. It's just like that's our answer to everything. Like vibranium.
Speaker 1:It's the most powerful substance in the universe.
Speaker 2:Like completely vibration absorbent, is like its original description and now, all of a sudden, it can just do anything. There's nothing it can't do.
Speaker 1:Like oh, you need surgery, I need vibranium to do this surgery. It's like what?
Speaker 3:the fuck For what?
Speaker 1:Okay, so that's what you guys have been watching.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:I've been watching some movies and stuff and I found this subreddit called Underrated Movies and I didn't find this film from this subreddit. But this film has led me to this subreddit that I've been going through and some of the choices are like pretty good, a lot of them.
Speaker 3:Some of them.
Speaker 1:You go to the top ones, like there's, like. I don't know if you've ever seen Grandma's Boy. I like that one. Like it's just a fun movie, but it's not really like I wouldn't. I don't know Like I'm much more like into drama stuff, so like those little slapstick comedy ones. It's like I don't know, maybe I just aged out over something. But I watched this movie called the best offer. Have you guys ever seen this movie?
Speaker 1:never heard of it okay, this fucking movie is is like it's kind of like noir-esque, it is like this uh, it is like a suspense thriller, drama movie and it has this what's this guy's name?
Speaker 2:Jeffrey Rush.
Speaker 1:Jeffrey Rush. Is that it? Yes, jeffrey Rush?
Speaker 2:Barbossa from Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, and this guy crushes it. I don't know how much I want to give away here, do you care? I mean, it came out over a decade ago no, you can gush about it.
Speaker 3:I've been waiting. I want to gush about this.
Speaker 2:I want to go for it because it was so.
Speaker 1:It was so not a film that I would be into. So it starts off and like the first 15 minutes is just showing you like this guy, jeffrey Rush, he's playing this guy named, uh, mr oldman. He's like world-renowned antiquer, like he knows everything about all antiques and it's just like can walk into a house, be like, oh, that's 16th century, that's a forgery, that's real. And and like it spends the first 15 minutes impressing you about how well this guy is like at his job how knowledgeable he is and how accurate and how well respected he is, universally so.
Speaker 1:But then it turns out like you kind of find out that he's kind of like on the side, running like a little bit of a scam. Um, so like he'll he'll say things are forgery when they're actually not, and then get his buddy to buy the forgery item because he runs auctions, and then he'll have the buddy actually not, and then get his buddy to buy the forgery item because he runs auctions, and then he'll have the buddy buy it and then they'll sell it for later on Interesting or he'll give his buddy double the money and stuff like that. Anyway. So he's got this side little thing, but it doesn't seem too prominent, it's just every once in a while for some collector's stuff.
Speaker 1:And then it goes into this guy's room in his apartment and he has this secret, hidden room that's three stories tall and it's just filled with these female portraits, just paintings with females on them, not nude, but just a self-portrait if you were rich in the 1700s, okay. And he's kind of like an old man version. He's never been with a woman and like these are the loves of his life. So he would go into this room and he would just see all these portraits and I don't none of them like.
Speaker 1:maybe they were famous paintings, but I'm not someone that knows art, but they were just just just paintings of women. For the most part nothing crazy. And so he gets this call from this woman and it's kind of like this mysterious woman and he ends up going over to her house to do like an evaluation. She has, like this old house and it's all filled with these antiques and stuff like that. But the trick is this woman is lives in like the walls of the house. She hasn't left the house in over 14 years so she hides in the house. She has like a what do they call it like agoraphobia or something like that, yeah, like fear of open spaces. So she's been stuck in this house for like 14 plus years.
Speaker 2:Her own house. Yes, her own house. I thought you were saying his house and her parents.
Speaker 1:Yeah, her parents had died a year before, and so she has not left in 14 years since she was a kid. She's 27 now. So he's this old man who's kind of intrigued by this mystery. And there's this like young sexy woman who is like sylvia hoax whatever, however you pronounce that who plays this, this woman, and she's like super mysterious. And he's this horny old guy, right, right, who's never been laid.
Speaker 2:His name in the movie is Virgil Oldman.
Speaker 3:Yeah right.
Speaker 2:That almost sounds like virgin old man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's like we need a name. Let's be literal here.
Speaker 2:Intentional. Hold on N I think so L.
Speaker 1:So there's like some interesting quirks about her. She's like a writer but you never really know what she does or what she writes and she's selling everything because she can't afford the house and she has caretakers and stuff like that and you don't really know what's going on. So this whole time old man is trying to warm up to her and get her out of the house and he's falling in love with this chick and she's falling in love with him and it's going on and like the whole time they're like he's pricing all this stuff. There's like this really interesting like caught works of cogs like around the the house and he's like working with this guy who's like really mechanically inclined to like build this stuff and this. He's like he's like a younger guy who's like really sweet and smooth with the ladies you know and he's like giving them advice on how to treat this woman and stuff like that. Then it gets weird, so like then it gets weird, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, like I, this is not a movie that I would be like yeah, this is, but like it's fucking intriguing at this point the way that they directed it and there's like all these little side things happening that you're like why the fuck is this in the movie? Like there's this uh little person that's in a bar that like is a mathematical genius and he would go into this bar and like get a drink or something like that, and she would just be spouting out numbers and shit like that in the background the whole movie and you're like what the fuck's going on? And, uh, so he keeps going to this house, he keeps appraising this and and she's like a shitty client and they go back and forth this love and hate. She finally reveals herself to him because he kind of hid in the room when he left and then he saw her. She freaked out, then they warmed up, so he never saw her.
Speaker 1:No, he saw her I mean before then, before then. No, he never saw. So he like hid in a room behind a statue and saw her and she was like, of course, she's like naked, like stretching, and shit like that and it started.
Speaker 1:The first time you see her, she's like naked and like sucking on her toe, like yeah, she stepped on glass so she's like trying to pull glass out of her toe and shit like that and so like why with her mouth, so he's dude, because she's weird, so like. So he he's clearly like, he's probably like 70 in the movie and she's 27, and he's like horny old guy right, and so he's like super infatuated with the movie Virgil Oldman.
Speaker 1:So then it starts to get even more weird. So they keep finding more and more of these robot parts, robot parts, not robot parts, but like these cogs, but like these cogs, like these cogs, everywhere around the house. And they find out that it like could be a part of this, like art contraption by some fucking guy who built like an animatron thing animatron or whatever yeah and um.
Speaker 1:So, like his buddy, giving him the advice is like helping him build it. And this robot is hella creepy, not like robot, I don't know what you would call it Like animatron. It's not a robot, it's like, literally from the 1600s.
Speaker 2:Automaton.
Speaker 1:Automaton yeah, it's literally this and it's hella creepy. This is what it's like looking like and like it's all cog work and it's all pre-recorded, or like you know, it's all just spinning gears and stuff like that. So it gets to the point where, like she, he gets her out of the house, or he doesn't get her out of the house, she, he gets her to like start to, you know, introduce, and you know, come out to the living room, they're having dinner in the house and stuff like that. And it gets to he gets having dinner in the house and stuff like that. He gets mugged in the street outside the house and he calls her and she leaves the house to come save him. He gets fucked up pretty bad. He goes to the hospital and she goes with him.
Speaker 1:It's her first breaking out. She's like oh, I'm okay, he's still doing these world, world-renowned auctions this whole time and he's still running this scam with his buddy and stuff like that. And so it finishes and she's like I don't want to sell anything, I want to keep everything. Um, he's like I totally agree, because he's in complete love with this girl at this point and they're ready to run away and move to like fucking paris and shit like that and he goes and does like his greatest auction of all time. That's the young stud that's good with women.
Speaker 2:He goes and does like the finest Jim.
Speaker 1:Sturges yes, the guy from 21? He does the finest fucking auction of his career and that's what he's going to retire on and everybody collapsed because he just was world-class and just great his whole career. And his guy that he's been running these scams with he's like hey, you know, you never respected me as an artist, and that was sort of like a running joke that he never respected him as an artist, which is why he had to do this scam or whatever he's like. But as a little going away party, I sent you a painting of my own and it was like a painting that had been in her house. So he comes home and he sees this painting and it's a painting in her house, and you're like what the fuck? And he goes in to his fucking three-story big room with all the women that he had been collecting and they're gone, they're gone, they're gone and basically that's how the movie ends.
Speaker 1:And so there's all these crazy conspiracies of what happened, but basically what unfolds is this guy the young stud? Yeah, the young stud, because this robot was the only thing left in the room and it was a recording of like a great line to just to be a final fuck you. It was like this recording of, like every great forgery has like a, a stroke of of you know, personality, of you know of the forger or whatever. It was something like that. And it was that recording. So you know that this guy was in on it because he was one building it from all the gears, and then his scammer buddy was in on it because he was the one. So then the final scene is like he's fucking panicking because he's like trying to find this woman he's in love with. He goes back and the woman so like the woman he fell in love with his name's claire, that little little person that lived across the street that was her house, that's like just this like mathematical savant yeah and she's like oh, I rent that out to cinema production people.
Speaker 1:This whole thing was put on a ruse by him to get him to fall in love with this woman, to get him to steal all his artwork and stuff, like that. So it's this insanely elaborate scheme. What? And like the whole fucking so like you think he would hate this woman. Elaborate scheme what the fuck? And like the whole fucking so like you think he would hate this woman? Because he goes to the police station but he doesn't go in. He goes to like he ends up moving to Paris, which is what he was going to do with her, and he waits for her at the, at the, this restaurant that they dreamed of going to together. So, like the whole like theme of the movie is like men are simp to women.
Speaker 1:It was like this insanely crazy fucking twist that I did not see at all. The movie was so fucking good. And yeah, that's that's the room with all the, all the paintings, all of those are jacked and the only things left is this fucking the robot, this robot, this automaton with that recording, and it was just like fucking poetic man. And so the theory is claire the woman that he fell in love with was actually an automaton, because she had a couple lines what, yeah, how did we?
Speaker 1:get there, dude, I know well like I I don't think, like I don't know if the movie necessarily directly draws that, but there's a couple lines in the movie, one in particular she's putting on makeup to be pretty for her, for him, and she doesn't know how to put makeup on. She says this line. She says I haven't put makeup on in centuries and so people are like wait a minute, maybe she's an automaton and he figured out how to make her this robot or whatever. It's kind of a jump. But I don't know, man, I took a deep dive into this movie the other night and I'm like this is such a fucking good movie, dude it's so crazy shit.
Speaker 1:But it's like this whole love story and you're like, oh man, you know they're both getting each other out of their comfort zones. It's quirky, it's kind of weird. He's like three times her age.
Speaker 2:This is basically like a lover fraud scheme.
Speaker 3:Dude a sweetheart, A sweetheart scam.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like this is a sweetheart scam, but at an extreme level.
Speaker 1:It was done so good because there was a twist in the middle of the movie where you think, because she goes into hiding for like a week and they can't find her, and it makes it look like he kidnapped her because he fell in love with her, that's what it makes it look like. But then it resolves that because he ends up pushing him to continue to find her, he finds her and then it totally absolves him, like you feel good a bit with him. Again. You're like, oh wow, I was drawing to conclusions and then like 30 minutes later it hits you again that like, oh no, he was fucking scamming him the whole time because she was like hiding in the attic, the one place they didn't look, whatever that is crazy movie, the kind of movie that I feel like I would watch and it would make me feel weird and uneasy afterwards so dude, it was so weird, but it wasn't like um, it was directed like a normal movie.
Speaker 1:It didn't have that like this is scamming friend that was a scamming friend president, snow president snow from the hunger games, donald sutherland or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is um fucking bomb movie, so good not something I feel I'd go out of my way to watch, but you do a good job selling it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was a pretty good synopsis, Dude.
Speaker 1:I was on the hook, I remember because my wife went to bed about halfway through it. She wasn't watching it, she was working in the other room and I'm like, babe, I don't know why I love this movie, but I'm fucking hooked. Right now. I am dialed in because I'm like where is this going? Is he just going to?
Speaker 3:fall in love. So what did the numbers mean?
Speaker 1:What numbers?
Speaker 2:Why was she a mathematical savant?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the small savant I don't even know what that is. So she okay. So the way it worked was that was our way as an audience to confirm that she was in fact leaving the house because she remembered everything. So she was like you. She talked in very monotone you have entered that home 63 times in the last two and a half months, or whatever it is. That's him like going over there and he's like she's like I have noticed her leave and come, come and go from that house 261 times over the past two years. And then she says at the end, like are you interested in renting that's my house? I rent it to cinema people and you're like what the fuck is going on? And her engineer the one in her building because she lives across the street, above the bar or whatever is the robotics guy. That is so weird, yeah. And it's like oh, my god man. It was like twist after twist.
Speaker 2:I thought it was going to go like full serial killer horror until you laid it all out and then it's like, oh no, this guy just got fucked over.
Speaker 1:And you feel so sorry for him because he gets so sad and he's angry. But he turns into a simp because he was so sad and he's angry. But he turns into a simp because he was so in love with this woman. Well, he was scamming people, so yeah, as a guy, you just deserved it. He was scamming people, but yeah it was scamming.
Speaker 3:You connected with him, you almost forgave it.
Speaker 2:He reminds you of my scamming days. Because he was scamming them, he almost forgave it. He reminds you of my scamming days. He was scamming them to add to his collection.
Speaker 1:It didn't show that he was selling these things, he was just falling in love with them.
Speaker 2:Well, I think there's a fine line between not being one of those alpha sigma male annoying people, but also maintaining self-respect and control, and and this guy did not know where that line was he saw that 27 year old woman sucking her big toe and he's like that's what I need in my life I feel like what?
Speaker 2:and this is real life. This happens if you're in a situation where something feels like it's too good to be true. It's because it is Like this person was weird, so maybe that's why he was able to buy. Well, maybe she would like someone like me because she had no idea she was agoraphobic, you know and all that. But, like 27-year-olds generally don't just go after 7-year-olds because they think they're cute, right, like be aware of your situation.
Speaker 1:But you know what's crazy? Like they made it seem plausible the whole thing, the way they set it up it was like I don't know it was so interesting, she was just weird enough for you to buy it. Yeah, because at the beginning of the movie he dyed his hair constantly, like he was very phobic of how old he was, so he looked younger. But then she made fun of him because she dyed his hair, and then he started not dyeing his hair.
Speaker 2:That is so funny that his name is Virgil Oldman.
Speaker 1:Dude, one of the better movies I've ever seen. So any other movies that are recommended on that subreddit that you've watched A lot of just classic ones I haven't watched. Uh, too many on that list, like grandma's boy was on there, um, I thought it was like underrated soames like this fits in that category, perfect, but if they're like have you seen?
Speaker 2:gone with the wind, there was a few.
Speaker 1:That was like um, what's that? One with ben stiller like the fat camp one, the heavyweights, heavyweights. I feel like everybody our age had seen that when we were kids.
Speaker 2:That takes me back to being a kid, yeah.
Speaker 1:So there's a lot of movies like that, but this I love film this was a fucking banger. It's on HBO Max, I think, or Paramount or something like that.
Speaker 3:I'll have to check out that subreddit, though that sounds interesting.
Speaker 2:Underrated movies yeah.
Speaker 1:All right let's change this to top.
Speaker 2:There's some good suggestions on there. Top all time.
Speaker 1:Grandma's Boy, grandma's Boy. It's on there like three times too in the top ten.
Speaker 2:Running Scared Saving Silverman.
Speaker 3:Saving Silverman is underrated silverman, saving silverman.
Speaker 1:Some of these, I feel like are just overboard. Well, you're, you're looking at the most rated, underrated movie, so it's like gonna bias towards the top end, yeah idiocracy is like a cult classic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's okay, but I feel like there's a huge following for that movie. I guess, I don't know. I I would love to see like, I feel like movies like this on there would be much more interesting. Yeah, Like I've never heard of that.
Speaker 3:Right Me neither Well some of these movies on that I'm I'm also scrolling through. I've heard of, like I've you know, idiocracy, grandma's boy, what about Bob Bedazzled?
Speaker 2:Bob.
Speaker 3:What Bob? What about Bob? What about Bob? Yeah, the one with Bill Murray. Oh yeah yeah, bedazzled, like I understand that Bedazzled. Yeah, probably a lot of people didn't watch it, but I've seen it and I like it. It's a good movie.
Speaker 2:If I've seen it, it's not that underrated.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's not that underrated. They have a waiting hot rod have you guys?
Speaker 2:uh thought about going to see furiosa.
Speaker 1:I are like the mad max thing yeah, it's like a prequel is that out right now?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, it came out. It's like I felt like it was under the radar. I didn't see much advertising on it, and then one day it was just out I'm personally I'm not that interested.
Speaker 3:I really liked Mad Max Fury Road, but the trailers that I've seen in this one it looks like I feel like it looks too CGI really. I don't know. That's the impression I get. Whereas Mad Max Fury Road I felt like was practical and that's the reason I liked it, this one looks I don't know. It doesn't look the same.
Speaker 2:I feel like I don't know nearly enough of. I haven't even watched. I've seen it. I haven't even seen a trailer. Like I I'm not, like I don't know, it doesn't look the same. I feel like I don't know nearly enough of it. I haven't even watched it. I haven't even seen a trailer. I don't ignore news. I feel like I have a generally pretty good grasp of what's coming out and what isn't, but I feel like this one really got by me somehow. But it got really good reviews, oh, yeah, but it's not going to make any money. Yeah, I, it got really good reviews, oh, but it's not going to make any money. Yeah, I heard it's going to flop hard because it needs to make at least $600 million to break even.
Speaker 1:And the thing is what? The $600 million? Jesus?
Speaker 2:This was just on an article I read. I can't verify if that's.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I'm looking up, I feel like we've gone way off. It doesn't mean the budget.
Speaker 2:I don't know how they calculate how to break even, because I look at film budgets and I look at how much and it looks to me like it broke, even like it's going to be a flop, and I don't know where they come up with some of these numbers to be honest with you.
Speaker 3:It says the budget is reported to $168 million.
Speaker 2:Okay, that seems a lot better, the budget.
Speaker 1:but to break even, it says it needs to make around 600 million, and again I don't know how For them to feel good about.
Speaker 2:I don't know why. That's the number that they.
Speaker 1:Because corporate returns Kyle. Maybe, maybe we need the 3XR investment that doesn't even seem that high actually.
Speaker 3:And I mean I don't know about you guys, but in regards to furiosa, I just the mad max fury road came out what like 10 years ago yeah, it lost some steam well, yeah, it's like I would have probably been more interested in if, if it came out like two years, three years, four years after that one. But now, it's a prequel to a character. That was kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Mad Max Fury Road came out like 30 years after the one before that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when I looked at the trailer, I wasn't interested. I guess, it got good reviews.
Speaker 2:Who knows if it will survive.
Speaker 3:Now we got the hunt for what is this?
Speaker 2:what are we looking at here, lord of the rings, the hunt for golem, have you not seen this?
Speaker 1:have you heard of any of this?
Speaker 2:are we talking about this at all? Only from you?
Speaker 1:yeah we were talking about this I'm gonna kick that back. I think we lost the uh the arch there um last podcast. You were telling us about this, so okay. So you said it was rumored that it. I think we lost the arch there. Last podcast you were telling us about this.
Speaker 3:So okay, you said it was rumored that it might be a golem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they've came out and confirmed it, I guess, because I see an actual poster. I don't know how true this is, but I think it's getting confirmed. I mean 2026, if they're writing script, they've got to get fucking moving on this. But here we go. This is what they own the rights for. So this is what we're fucking getting. This is a Peter Jackson film with the original writing team, which that excites me from Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 2:I don't give a shit about Gollum anymore. No, I don't.
Speaker 1:It's the hunt for Gollum. You know when this takes place. It's the 20 years in the books, from when keep it secret, keep it safe, happens in the movies, yeah, to when he comes back and and and asks uh him to throw it in the fire. And it's quite cool, it's like five minutes in the movie. And that that 20 year gap is when legolas and um aragorn go and hunt down golem to try and find him and they realize that Sauron got to him first.
Speaker 2:And so that's what this movie's about.
Speaker 1:I'm like fuck me, dude. I'm tired of Gollum. It was perfect for the Rings movie, but I don't need to see that character anymore.
Speaker 3:So if it's a hunt for Gollum, gollum might not be in it. That much Is my hope. Hopefully not be in it. That much is my hope, hopefully not.
Speaker 2:And it's just aaron corn and they're just, we're on a journey but yeah, to find you know how it turns out they don't even succeed like that's not, you don't have anything better there's so much more I know they don't own the rights to the first age or like the somerillian stuff, so but like come the fuck on man they could literally.
Speaker 2:Okay, I know that the community would hate this, but they could literally have a story around, uh, an unsung hero that wasn't in the original movies, but there, I mean, there were thousands of people involved in these battles there's so these battles. They could have so many stories of someone that has never been in the movies or anything, if they really wanted to go that route. You can't tell me that this hunt for Gollum is going to be faithful to the source material. If they're going to go that route, then just, I want to follow some dude like some Rohan writer that is just trying to survive long enough to get back home to his kids. Make it like 1917 style, but like lord of the rings. That would be cool, you know, like they could do. Not everything has to be around like these well-known characters, especially if you're going to treat it, no, and they're bringing back, like, like they're not recasting.
Speaker 1:they're not going to bring back freaking vegal mortensen, who's like 65 or whatever. At this point, andy Serkis, it looks like he's reprising his role, he's directing it.
Speaker 3:Who Andy Serkis is directing it.
Speaker 2:I don't believe so, peter.
Speaker 3:Jackson is producing.
Speaker 2:That's what it just said here. Is that what it's saying?
Speaker 3:Yeah, Andy Serkis is directing with Peter Jackson.
Speaker 2:So he just wants a star in his movie.
Speaker 1:Okay, Like listen, Andy, you killed it.
Speaker 3:You fucking killed it. Jackson is back as producer on Hunt for Golem, alongside his first two films.
Speaker 1:Fran Walsh and Christopher Boyans or something like that. I don't remember his last name or his first name, but uh, yeah, listen, I'm excited that it's another Lord of the Rings film. First name, but yeah, listen, I'm excited that it's another Lord of the Rings film, I'll watch it. Yeah, I am not hyped you know what I mean. This is not something that I'm like yeah, Now Rings of Power, Season 2, yes. But this nah.
Speaker 3:He did Venom, let there Be Carnage.
Speaker 2:Who did?
Speaker 1:Circus. He directed that. That's what it says right there Venom, Let there Be Carnage. Who did Circus?
Speaker 2:You know what they saw.
Speaker 3:He directed that. That's what it says right there. Circus has developed his bona fides as a director of blockbuster films with I didn't know.
Speaker 2:He directed Venom, Let there Be Carnage.
Speaker 3:Let there.
Speaker 2:Be Carnage the second.
Speaker 1:Venom. They saw how great the video game Gollum did and they're like we need that as a movie.
Speaker 3:That would sell like hot cakes. Yeah, yep, yeah. I mean, I love andy circus, I think he does great, but I don't, I don't care about golem and I would just, as as a new lord of the rings, like enjoyer um just come up with something new there's so much that world that I would rather explore than the weird balding creature.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm telling you, man, like a good grounded story of just a normal person.
Speaker 3:Aren't there more rangers than just fucking Aragorn?
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Dunedain, the Dunedain.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 1:There are a few that remain.
Speaker 3:Let's do the you just through um shadow mordor, let's do. Let's make a movie out of that. Yeah, that's an original character.
Speaker 1:That'd be phenomenal talion, I okay, you're a ranger and you're literally going through and like you don't even have to have the whole kelo brimbor spirit imbued, whatever, yeah, you could literally just be like we're hunting orcs and you're collecting intel on the orc captains and you're finding the war chiefs.
Speaker 3:Add some special items that are cool, like oh, this is the sword of blah blah, blah blah.
Speaker 1:Yep, I could kill this, yep. And then you literally just go through and you weaken Sauron's army yeah Easy.
Speaker 2:Ends with a fight against a general. That's really cool. They could have an office style comedy, yes, set in the world of lord of the rings in middle earth specifically the shire. It's the office, but it's all hobbits that would actually probably be funny.
Speaker 3:What?
Speaker 1:about like a classic style, like ncis all right or like or like yeah to say. Castle.
Speaker 3:Like style, like that where they're the ranger.
Speaker 1:They get a report in like oh, this band of Uruks are fucking things up or orcs or whatever, and here's the leader. And then they spend a whole episode and they go and kill them, and then the next one's a completely new band of bandits.
Speaker 2:They have to go kill that one. They have to go get it serialized. Everyone's a little different.
Speaker 1:Kill that one. Everyone's a little different.
Speaker 2:They can have fun with that. It's a noir-style thriller. Said in the 21st century, some guy narrating with a pipe.
Speaker 3:I came back that night and she was gone.
Speaker 1:We talked about this a million times. You could do so much, but they don't want to. What's low risk? Did you see how big the text Gollum was? Gollum you could do so much, but they don't want to. What's low risk the hunt for? Did you see how big the text Gollum was, gollum, gollum oh my God, gollum, gollum. I could do that. I love those guys. I love them. I love that guy. I'm so by little plushie of Gollum. He's so cute, especially when he burns alive at the end.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's so cute, he's so happy, he smiles while igniting, while igniting. Holding the ring. I do love that touch of the film where he's so enamored by it that he literally holds it out of the lava as long as he can. That's a good touch for me.
Speaker 3:But I don't need to see a movie on Gollum.
Speaker 2:No, that's a good touch for me, but I don't need to see a movie on Gollum. No, he's good for the film and the books as a sort of a cautionary tale slash plot device to show the horrors that could happen to someone that becomes too obsessed with it.
Speaker 3:If they hold on to the movie for too long.
Speaker 2:There's a story around more than what we've already got.
Speaker 3:Well, and we know the story. You see it in the movie. He portrayed his best friend, and that's it like what else you know.
Speaker 1:He hung out around in a cave like eating fish for 500 years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you ever wonder like why he succumbed so quickly?
Speaker 1:true weak hobbitses like hobbits.
Speaker 3:Hobbits a subset of hobbits. Right, he's like, he's like neanderthal neanderthal right that's. I haven't heard that I thought that's how it was he's like are you?
Speaker 1:is there racism within the hobbit community?
Speaker 3:no, but he's like a subset. He's like a where hobbits kind of drifted off from him. The full of the took.
Speaker 2:The tooks are the adventurous ones.
Speaker 1:Was Gollum a Neanderthal hobbit Maybe.
Speaker 2:So it says he was a Storish hobbit, which is one of the three races of hobbit in Middle-earth. He went by the name of Smeagol.
Speaker 3:It doesn't say that they're lesser hobbitsbits, they're just a type of hobbit, more like men easily corrupted.
Speaker 2:They're not from the shire. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Like bilbo's hobbit and frodo's hobbit, I feel like we're much more resistant yeah, the fact that bilbo just drops the ring on the floor and walks out, that's insane.
Speaker 2:It's a lot of willpower, Although he almost loses it when there's that jump scare where he's like and he looks all creepy.
Speaker 3:He just wanted it one more time, I know. And then even at the end, do you have that ring, grandson, my nephew. It's a shame.
Speaker 2:I would have liked to have seen it one last time. He does that again. You know what.
Speaker 1:Here's some Mithril. It's more than the entire value of the Shire.
Speaker 2:Saved his life. Did it save his life more than the one time the Mithril or is it just the one time with the?
Speaker 1:ogre, it's just the one time. At least in the film, I don't know in the books.
Speaker 3:You time okay, at least for in the film, I don't know. In the books you played through shadow mordor, you inspired me to.
Speaker 1:Thankfully it's on game pass I downloaded. Oh it is, I didn't even check, I never checked and I have war not shadow mordor war for more or the shadow war was war for more war for is the one that's on game pass.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, cool I got them both unfortunately it's, I have to say on console it's. It's pretty bad like really just like gameplay wise? No, just, and it's gonna sound elitist. But there's no option for frame rate, so it's stuck it as like a solid 30, 40 and it's bad.
Speaker 1:What about on Steam?
Speaker 3:Deck it might, but I'd have to buy it there.
Speaker 2:I know you said it was on sale, but Can you put?
Speaker 1:Game Pass on your Steam Deck.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty sure you can. I probably could.
Speaker 1:It's just Windows.
Speaker 3:I tried to play it in that frame rate. I was like this is tough. I know my Xbox whatever fuck, I got Series X, linux. I was like this is tough. I was like I know my Xbox whatever fuck I got Series X can handle better than this. And also, talion is ugly.
Speaker 2:Talion is I need my character to look cool?
Speaker 3:No, I'm just saying he's ugly, is he when you look?
Speaker 1:at him, that never crossed my mind it's like Kyle, I don't play. I don't think your characters look like you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, true, it's like I don't think you care what your characters look like.
Speaker 3:Yeah, true, it's like Kyle you know, Batman, all the games, how Bruce Wayne was kind of weird looking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm always like put your mask back on, bro, yeah.
Speaker 3:Talion looks like that and I'm like Alright.
Speaker 1:I just started Shadow War because I beat Shadow Mordor. I have to tell you about my experience in Shadow Mordor. I I have to tell you about my experience in Shadow Mordor. I had to fight this one captain. Let me read you his. I took a photo of it.
Speaker 2:Did I send it to you guys? I think you did. He's fucking stacked.
Speaker 1:I need to tell you guys about how beastly this guy, this captain, was. It took forever to take him down. Okay, ready, his weaknesses can be branded, that's it. Okay, that's all his strengths. Invulnerable to stealth, invulnerable to ranged, able to kill monsters quickly. So you can't get like uh karagor's, like to sick on him because he'll just one shot them. Okay, he's deadly. So his damage, his attacks, do more damage and what they actually do is they bleed you. So if he hits you once you, I was bleeding to death okay, just one, hit once.
Speaker 1:Once time hit, he does a ground pound, aoe, randomly, that you can't like. It doesn't give you a dodge cue for so it'll knock you back and then he can hit you, okay, and then he's battle hard and he's harder to kill and he has a fucking shield which means you can't hit him. You have to like vault over him. But his thing is he couldn't vault over him because he had like such a great shield that he would grab you and throw you back. So you had to sneak up behind him to fucking to like run around him to be able to stagger him, whatever he was. Oh, then he had, I'm not done, he has no chance, which means if he downs you with, all he has to do is hit you once. You don't get that last chance prompt to like save yourself you just immediately wipe.
Speaker 1:And then he also is fearless. He can't be terrified. It never runs away. Dude, this is this fucking guy. So the last mission in that game spoilers the game's 10 years old. Calm down. You basically brand yourself an entire army of Sauron. This fucking guy was one-shotting Sauron's captains. He literally was walking up boom and you see their health just fucking bleed out and he finished the fight full health, fucking bleed out and he finished the fight full health. I literally walked through that entire fight. This fucking guy was so good, he killed me like eight times and he was the ugliest fucking guy you've ever seen in your life and I hated it.
Speaker 2:What was his name?
Speaker 1:I know I didn't take a photo of that. It was something random, I don't even know, but this guy was a legend and I want to bring him into the second game. So bad, because he was. It fucking possible? God, he was so good. He literally we walked. He's like uh, the main character in canon like and I don't know if you guys remember, but shadow of mordor, that game ends like has one of the worst final bosses fights of all time there's like it is not a fight.
Speaker 1:You just like stealth on a guy three or four times and then the game ends.
Speaker 2:I still remember the first time you played because you played that game before me, I didn't play it until afterwards your like arch enemy that you created. His name was Pigug and I remember you were like you're're like this fucking guy and his name was pig.
Speaker 2:And then when he walked back, arch nemesis and it was like the funniest thing, um, because he had like the funniest name, but like the way they chanted it still made it sound kind of badass dude, that's what I loved about that game was it made it feel like everything was so epic.
Speaker 1:When you would identify certain people they would chant, and then sometimes you look at their names, you're like that's not cool. Like one that I already came across a guy in this in the shadow war game, his some it was like something the friendly and he was like, hey, let's not fight, I'm okay with you. If you want to just run away, I'm not happy with that, okay and that's how that sounds like there's so many fucking variants of these.
Speaker 2:There's a character voiced by um, what's that? Uh, he was in silicon valley, the, the indian guy, and he was also in the eternals. What's his name? All right, not indian, he's, I think he's I know you're talking about pakistani, yeah um god, what is that guy's name?
Speaker 3:it's on the tip of my tongue why am?
Speaker 2:I blanking on it, he got super jacked yes, uh nanjiani, he voices a character as a joke in either shadow of war or shadow of murder, um, where he's just using his normal voice. He does, he does, yeah oh, I can't wait to see that and it's like it's just like, as it's like a little easter egg joke thing, and he just uses his same voice but he says like these intimidating lines, but within his voice, and it's super funny well, there's.
Speaker 1:there's also like In the first game, you help this guy named Ratbag get to the top. You basically kill everything for him and then he cuts off their ear and acts like he killed them, but he didn't. And it's just a fucking fun game. It's just a fun game. The whole game is gameplay. It's just fun, it's just fun, damn it.
Speaker 1:So I played that and then I'm also grinding not grinding, but I played, uh, hades 2 a lot. Nice, I'm having a lot of fun with that. I want to see some more itemization and some a little more polish around, like the different builds, because I don't feel like a lot of the builds feel rewarding to play like it. It almost kind of wants you to go into certain style play types, um, and so I'd like to see that also. It took me a little bit to adjust to this type of game because I I for so long I always thought like, oh, I'm gonna get to a point where I get all my health back. No, no, like I had to really realize like, okay, never, ever, lose health ever yeah so I ended up um it's in early access.
Speaker 1:I ended up getting to chronos, which is the final boss, and I almost got him to his second phase.
Speaker 3:Um, but you never played the first one, right you should, it's so good. I'm enjoying the second one but you could the first one's complete he's not a gamer that we'll ever understand.
Speaker 2:You just got to accept that, accept it.
Speaker 3:I've been playing. I finally Baldur's Gate. I'm slowing down. I'm slowing down a little bit.
Speaker 2:I started Sekiro. That's about how much I was in it before I slowed down.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I started Sekiro again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, that's the Souls game that I played the least. I've only beat it once.
Speaker 3:That was the first one I ever beat, and so I'm going back through it again now that I'm a veteran Souls player Way better. It's fun, so good, you can tell. I mean, it feels so nice going to a game like that because it's just so polished. This game is like you can tell they made it because they love it. They love this game and so it's just fun to play. There's no microtransactions, there's no bullshit. That's from software yeah and uh, I only I haven't even fought like my first true boss yet.
Speaker 2:Um, but that parry mechanic it's crisp man it's crisp, it's nice that's sort of what um the jedi games were built around like style wise very very similar because you have the parry or you have the stagger bar that builds up.
Speaker 3:Did you ever play that one billy? You tried a little bit yeah, yeah, so that's, that's what I'm playing. What about you, kyle?
Speaker 2:um, I haven't been playing a lot of video games. I mean between like just personal stuff and life going on. I haven't had a chance. Last game I played through to completion was I did another playthrough of the Outer Worlds, which is like it's a fun, rich RPG but it's not a huge time commitment because it's not particularly massive, so like it's fun. If you want to experience beginning to end in under 20 hours, it's very doable to do it like that.
Speaker 3:So that's why I like it.
Speaker 2:It's not overwhelming to get involved in it.
Speaker 1:I played quite a few board games recently.
Speaker 2:Have you heard of Monopoly?
Speaker 1:Have you heard of Settlers of Catan? We played that and we played it the other night as well. That's just a classic, fun one Classic. I don't know how old it is, but it's probably like 10 years old.
Speaker 2:It's probably older than that. I think it's older than that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would say it's older than that, and then my wife and I have been playing this game called Villainous, which is really fun. So oh yeah, I've heard of disney uh, your play as a villain, and what's really fun about that game is your player experience.
Speaker 2:Sorry to cut you off, but settlers of katan is 30 years old. Wow, I would not have guessed that came out in 95.
Speaker 1:Wow, 29 years old um, what's fun about villainous is every single person that game plays completely different for every single person. Like, so you're given a character and you have your own completely unique objectives. And, um, like, the heroes are the bad guys in that game, cause you're the villain, obviously.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And um no that's what's fun, Like you get to. You literally get to come up with your own strategy for your character. What version do you?
Speaker 2:play there's versions's fun. You literally get to come up with your own strategy for your character.
Speaker 1:What version do you play? There's versions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a Star Wars villainous, there's a Marvel villainous.
Speaker 1:Oh no, this one just has a Disney villainous. I think it's just a base one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they have a Marvel one Really. Yeah, that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1:It's because Disney owns all those properties we have, I think, just the base one.
Speaker 2:So, like Maleficent and Jafar, queen of Hearts, hades, On the Marvel one, Thanos is on the cover with his gauntlet.
Speaker 3:Not Hades.
Speaker 1:Nope.
Speaker 3:Hades isn't in there.
Speaker 1:That's wild Prince John.
Speaker 3:He's in there.
Speaker 1:Robin Hood. Prince John isn't in there, but not Hades.
Speaker 3:I don't think so. James Wood Interesting.
Speaker 2:We're looking at a list of characters.
Speaker 1:Captain Hook Jafar Melissa, chris John Cleaver.
Speaker 3:Park. He's in an expansion.
Speaker 2:Dr Facilier, he'd be a good one. Oh, rattigan from the Mouse Detective, great Mouse Detective, and Elden Ring Rattigan, lotso, lotso from Toy Story the bear, oh wow, really.
Speaker 1:That's Story the bear. Oh wow, Really that's fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Ooh, oogie Boogie. I've never played it, it's fun.
Speaker 2:Who's King Candy? Who's King Candy from?
Speaker 1:Keep going down. I was going to say we have a photo of it.
Speaker 2:Pete was a villain, Like Goofy's friend Pete. Yeah, Originally he was a villain.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because he's.
Speaker 2:Oh, king Candy from Wreck-It Ralph. Oh Okay, I'm not nearly as caught up on all these new films.
Speaker 1:No, I didn't even know who Prince John was before this past few weeks. Like that wouldn't have Is Prince.
Speaker 2:John from Robin Hood. Robin Hood From the 60s.
Speaker 1:Yes, 73, I believe.
Speaker 2:I don't think I've actually seen the Disney one.
Speaker 1:That's what I was telling my wife. She made me watch it.
Speaker 3:Wait the Fox one.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I've ever seen that movie.
Speaker 2:I don't think I've ever seen it I legitimately, she was like you're crazy.
Speaker 1:I don't. I don't know if I've ever seen that movie. I don't think I've ever seen it. And I, legitimately she was like you're crazy. I'm like, I don't think I have seen it.
Speaker 3:You're wild. We have that to thank for. Like furries, you're right.
Speaker 2:That was the inception.
Speaker 1:It made an impression on us. It did. That's literally what I was thinking about the whole time.
Speaker 3:I'm like how many people have seen they drew the woman fox a?
Speaker 1:little too pretty. That was exactly what a furry would say. A furry, I'm not a furry.
Speaker 2:The whole discourse over Lola Bunny from Space Jam, Now Lola.
Speaker 3:Bunny, everybody can agree, I think.
Speaker 2:There's so many good Disney villains.
Speaker 3:Now Lotso.
Speaker 1:Lotso is what I'm into. I like more like the broken doll.
Speaker 2:The creepy one in the first one With the spider doll, alright, so Villainous.
Speaker 1:That sounds fun, though it is a fun game.
Speaker 2:What are the villains in the Marvel one? I'm curious.
Speaker 1:Marvel villainous that sounds fun though it is a fun game. What are the villains in the Marvel one?
Speaker 2:I'm curious.
Speaker 3:Let me see Marvel. You have Thanos, obviously.
Speaker 2:Hela Killmonger, taskmaster Thanos, ultron Loki. I was looking at the list but you scrolled down.
Speaker 1:I was going to show you the pictures, because the other one had a nice little graphic, but it didn't have it.
Speaker 3:MODOK Venom Nice.
Speaker 2:Doctor Octopus Kang the Conqueror.
Speaker 3:Titania.
Speaker 2:Titania. That seems cool. I mean what else? You know what I want?
Speaker 3:Justin Hammer on that list Be able to play him.
Speaker 2:Justin Hammer is the most underrated villain for me in Marvel. Who is he?
Speaker 3:He's in.
Speaker 2:Iron man 2. Iron man 2. He's the Tony Stark wannabe the salesman.
Speaker 3:You don't remember Justin Hammer? No, he's the guy that says I call this the ex-wife, and then it's a bomb that goes. He's just pink.
Speaker 2:This is the bullet that'll.
Speaker 1:This is the the missile that'll destroy the bunker, within the bunker yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I I, because I that, uh, that actor plays like a lot of loser characters he plays a lot of good characters.
Speaker 2:He's so good. He was an argyle we talked about it like a couple podcasts ago I love one of my favorite lines in that movie is when they're looking at all the failed iron man experiments and that one twists the body directly in half. And he's like it was one of Justin Hammer's and he's like I'd like to point out that that test pilot survived and it literally ripped the dude in half. It's not him.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:Hit the next. It's right there, sam Rockwell, that's exactly who I was thinking of. He's always in the Green Mile, yep.
Speaker 3:He's always in that.
Speaker 2:Every year they release that movie.
Speaker 1:He's in it. I don't understand. He's been in every one.
Speaker 3:Galaxy Quest, he falls in love with the lame Charlie's Angels Dude I love him in Galaxy Quest. Charlie's Angels. He's good. He's kind of like the loser boyfriend of one of the angels of um yeah, he doesn't fall in love with the alien in galaxy quest yeah, he does. No, no, yeah, you're.
Speaker 2:That's the other guy the other guy yeah, monk, he's the one that's like, uh, whoa, hey man get a room. Oh, that's not right. And he starts making out with the octopus thing I love. He's all obsessed because his character died in the TV show. He thinks he's going to die. He's like constantly. Galaxy Quest is the one I would put on that list of underrated movies. It's so good it's like a.
Speaker 1:Have you seen it, Billy? It doesn't ring any bells.
Speaker 2:It's like a tribute slash parody of Star Trek, else it's like a tribute slash parody of star trek.
Speaker 3:um, but basically the idea is is they were in a very popular star trek like show in the. Is it a series or is it a movie? It's a movie. It's got alan rickman, tim allen, alan rickman, it's a gorney weaver yeah, jesus and um.
Speaker 2:so they're like they were in a very popular Star Trek-like show and now they just go to conventions and they're all kind of like what did we do with our lives? But this alien race has been observing this TV show, thinking it's real.
Speaker 2:And they base their whole reality so they base their whole culture around this show and then they bring him to because they're like we're getting attacked by this other alien race. They bring them here to help save them and so they go on this actual space adventure where the ship is built just like the one in the TV show, because that's what they had as a reference and it turns into this epic.
Speaker 3:And they're just actors, and they're just actors.
Speaker 2:And Alan Rickman is this bitter guy that he's a classically trained Shakespearean actor and he's this bitter guy that he's like a classically trained shakespearean actor and he's all pissed off that he's only known as this, like character from this tv show, and he's always all grumpy all the time. But it's um a really good sounds very uncharacter free.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a very good movie, it's really good sigourney weaver she went against she went against type uh.
Speaker 2:She played like the stereotypical dumb blonde. Not dumb but damsel in distress, she said. I so often play these kick-ass women in shows. I wanted just a chance to just play the damsel. It's total fun. It's funny, it's got a lot of heartfelt moments.
Speaker 1:And I would say that I've seen so many clips from this show, but I never actually watched it. I would say that it honors Star.
Speaker 2:Trek more than it honors Star Trek, more than it makes fun of it. I would say yeah, did you say Dwight?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he plays like a little background extra alien that shows up every now and then, oh Jesus, that's the chick from Dodgeball, right when they make her look super ugly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, is that the same one? Yeah?
Speaker 3:With the pigtails.
Speaker 2:You gotta check it out.
Speaker 3:Alright, I'm gonna watch it tonight. Tim Allen is the star.
Speaker 2:It was like height of like Tim the Toolman Taylor is, so he's like really popular Tim Allen.
Speaker 1:Did he play a Marvel hero, tim Allen?
Speaker 2:I don't think.
Speaker 3:I mean, he was Buzz.
Speaker 2:Lightyear.
Speaker 1:He could voice him. There's no way Disney hires him.
Speaker 2:He's like Iron man. Who would he even play?
Speaker 1:it'd have to be like like it'd be like a retired, like dad.
Speaker 2:Well, it's like some hero that's like council member somewhere, something like that's like there for comedians, that's like what's his name randomly showing up in guardians? Uh, the dude from Step Brothers. Oh, john C Reilly. Yeah, john C Reilly.
Speaker 1:He's just in Guardians randomly and 2, yeah, is he in 2? Yeah, he has a family in 2.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't even remember him in 2, to be honest with you, is he in?
Speaker 1:3? He's not in 3, though.
Speaker 2:It's weird that he's in that show.
Speaker 1:In that movie.
Speaker 2:That's what I would feel like seeing Tim Allen in a Marvel movie.
Speaker 1:Like Will Ferrell, he does that noise.
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