The KD Ratio!
The KD Ratio!
Pixels, Parenting, and Kickflips…
We pulled this episode directly from our livestream over on YouTube. Come check us out!
The following description was written by A.I.
Have you ever found yourself gaming at the crack of dawn, or perhaps you're the type to sneak in a few levels late at night? We've all got our quirky routines, but this time around, we're peeling back the curtain on our own, revealing the oddities of our daily lives and how they intertwine with the digital worlds we inhabit. From the way daylight saving time plays havoc with our work schedules to the genetic mysteries behind our sleep patterns, we're spilling the beans on it all. Plus, we'll reflect on how a good—or bad—gaming session can set the tone for our entire day.
Remember the first time you felt the rush of landing a new skateboarding trick, or the pang of a movie cliffhanger leaving you desperate for the sequel? Those highs and lows are just a part of the rollercoaster we're riding in this episode. We'll dissect the latest films that have us clinging on for more, and skate back in time to when skateboarding gear came from a store, not a screen. We're also tackling the shift in skateboarding's cultural tapestry, from its growth to Olympic fame to the quality of the boards we ride.
Let's take a walk down memory lane and consider how the technological landscape has shaped our childhood versus the experiences of today's youth. We'll chuckle over the slow internet speeds of yore and share how tech has reinvented our parenting playbook. From balancing screen time to navigating online safety, we're sharing our take on raising kids amidst a sea of pixels and bytes. So, join us as we journey through the ever-evolving realms of digital immersion, skate parks, and the many layers of modern parenting.
If you enjoy our episode's content, come check us out on twitter @KDratiopodcast, YouTube as The KD Ratio Podcast! or on Instagram KDratiopodcast
Hello, hello, and we are live. Let's chickity check it. The vocals are vibing. The day is here. How does the vocals vibe?
Speaker 1:We have sprung forward with time dilation. Yeah, that's what happens. That's exactly what happens. Where are we going here and what my favorite thing about this time of year is you get to actually enjoy. You know, for those people who work traditional 9 to-fives, you get to enjoy like a little bit of sunlight. There's nothing more soul-sucking than driving to work and driving home in darkness yeah tell me about it. I don't know what that is, but I I seriously that always sucked man, oh my god.
Speaker 4:You know what's worse though? Working graveyard when I get to work and it was daylight, and then work all through the night and they'd get out when it was daylight for some reason. That felt worse to me.
Speaker 1:You're like oh, yeah, I feel like if I had. I love getting up early. I don't do it organically, but I love the idea of it and I do enjoy when I do it.
Speaker 4:I like the theory of getting up early.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know how to like describe it, but I feel like my body is best tuned to do swing shift like I feel like if I, if I was to, mock up like if I could match my mentality with swing shift.
Speaker 4:But you know, the reality is, swing shift is is, I think honestly, worse than graveyard there's a genetic component to whether or not you're predisposed to being an early riser, like a night owl, and there's actually nothing you can do about that. Really, you can force your body to accept certain patterns, but it will always revert back to what its natural state is. No matter what. According to this neuroscientist that was on Joe Rogan Probably not that guy.
Speaker 1:The dude was legit.
Speaker 4:I forget his name now. I'm sure if you look up sleep science or Matthew Walker.
Speaker 4:I think Matthew Walker sounds more familiar If you look up sleep science Joe Rogan. He's not just been on Joe Rogan, he's been on a bunch of stuff. This guy, he's very well backed, very well endowed, and that was one of the things. Yeah, that was one of the things he said is there is a genetic component to being predisposed towards certain patterns of sleep that there's nothing you can do about, um other than you can force yourself to accept certain patterns. But you will always revert back, given the chance it would.
Speaker 1:What do you guys prefer? Like prefer?
Speaker 2:I'm a night owl, night owl.
Speaker 1:For me this is why I'm a night owl it's quiet and for like I'm not receiving a million notifications, nothing is going on. It's like true me time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm truly able to just do what I want, mm-hmm, you know I get that Like goddamn peace, and quiet, so loud my life all the time I gotta say my normal bedtime is anywhere from, like, on a good night, 10 pm to 1 am and, like I would say, it probably falls more around that midnight more way more often I would say yeah, regardless of what time I have to be up.
Speaker 4:It's very rare that I can actually fall asleep before midnight. I think 12 o'clock is generally my bedtime.
Speaker 2:Unless I'm wore the fuck out yeah if I have a choice.
Speaker 4:I'm usually in bed between 1.30 and 3, to be honest, but I work day and so that's just not viable.
Speaker 2:Let me ask you guys in regards to that. I sometimes will specifically wait to beat a game until those nighttime hours when I'm alone, so that I can fully experience.
Speaker 1:That's feeling, huh.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I feel like I have no impulse control, and so I would just beat it the moment I can.
Speaker 4:I would just be like go, go, go. I prefer to game at night than I do. Yeah, during the day, like I, I think, well, now I I have a lot of stuff going on in my life, but I think between eight and ten is like a good gaming. Couple hours for me, that's a good time yeah, I I do like those quiet hours.
Speaker 1:I like I don't know if I have like a preference. I I know what I actually enjoy the most is like a early morning gaming session, like before work. There was a period before work.
Speaker 2:I like it. I like when I play hooky from work and I'm doing early morning gaming.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm sick gaming.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like ooh, and especially it's a new game.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, gotta work. I mean I gotta cough and I gotta stay home guys.
Speaker 2:This is bad. Stay home, I gotta work.
Speaker 4:I gotta work.
Speaker 1:I gotta work. I have to stay home.
Speaker 4:Why are you trying to make it sound like gotta work? I don't know.
Speaker 1:When you're calling, I gotta work and I gotta stay home, home. Why are you trying to make it sound like God of War? I don't know when you're calling him. I got a war and I gotta stay home. You just can't lie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, you gotta spit it somehow. There was a period of my life when I was like it was before I would go to college and I would actually. It was like only five or six would go to college, um, and I would actually. It was like only five or six months, but I loved it.
Speaker 1:I was getting up at like four or five in the morning for like a very extended period of time. I don't know how I felt. It was like I got so bad with my sleep that it ended up being like so good. I was like that's how off shift I was. And there was a period for months where I was getting up very early and playing guild wars 2 and I would do like all my dailies and shit, and it was like so regimented and I remember like going to school, like college, in such a good mood, like there's something so awesome about being up for like because I'm the kind of person that I will wake up. I'm a strategic wake up guy. I will wake up the um the moment, not a moment before I have to be ready and like be out the door. That's just how I am and like I will optimize that to the max.
Speaker 1:There is something to be said, though, about getting up like an hour or two before you really need to, yeah, and just enjoying waking up. Yeah, imagine to yeah, and just enjoying waking up. Yeah, imagine that and like having a moment and taking that your time and enjoying your morning. And I've never done that in my life except for like this one period and it was like I remember going to school and it was like nine in the morning and I'm like I've been up for five hours.
Speaker 1:I feel so good you know, and I was like going to bed at like 7, 30 and shit, it was so stupid. But I love that period in my life, um, and that's why I said like I I feel like my head is like this is great, but my body is like, if you have a chance, like on the weekends, I'll just like rant, I'll like still to this day. I'll wake up at 10 am and I'm like what the fuck? The day's over already get up I do I do.
Speaker 2:I mean I 10 am. I feel like man got day left. No, it's when I wake up at noon 1, on the weekend. I'm like ah today's a lot.
Speaker 4:I literally can't tell you the last time I slept that long. Yeah, my average. No matter what time I go to bed, I'm up at 7. It's the latest I'll be up. Generally I'm up at 5.30, though Fuck, and sometimes it's nice, like you said, because I can just take my time.
Speaker 1:So do you have that genius thing.
Speaker 4:I don't have to worry about rushing getting up early.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like where that's your clock. No, I hate it. You're fighting it every day. Every morning I wake up and I'm miserable.
Speaker 4:I've never once woken up feeling like oh yeah, it feels good. I wake up thinking I am doing everything in my power not to die.
Speaker 1:right now You're like ugh, my dad will call me to this day and be like son. I slept in today. I got up at 745. You know, like that's such a culture shock. I'm like. I got up at 830 today, mom was worried. I was like dad, 830? Like really.
Speaker 4:There'd be times growing up where, like we'd be, like we'd be, you know, all night game sesh, go to bed at like seven in the morning and we would literally get up at like five o'clock in the afternoon, yeah, literally get up and eat dinner and then game there was or like remember there'd be times where we'd have to.
Speaker 4:We both were working like swing or like even like nights, like there's one. Like there's one time I remember we both had to be to work by five uh five o'clock in the afternoon and we had to set alarms to be able to get up, to get to work by five o'clock in the afternoon believe me that was.
Speaker 1:That was a long time I did that for plenty of months too. We're like I mean, there was, there was, times periods of my life, times periods of my life, extended periods of my life, where I didn't go to bed before 8 am, like that was not. That was when I was going to bed, was like around 8 am. Did you have blackout sheets? Oh, 100%.
Speaker 4:I used to put blankets in my window but then it would just make my room really hot and that kind of sucked. But yeah, I remember hanging blankets up in the window to like block the light out I had blackout shade and blackout curtains.
Speaker 1:There was no light getting in through there. It was awesome it was weird. It would kind of fuck with your like serotonin and my walls the paint on my walls was dark gold and my walls the paint on my walls was dark gold and maroon red like it was it was. It was for 49ers colors. It was a dark room, yeah that everything about that room was dark, which is kind of funny because, like I'm not, I've never been like a dark person.
Speaker 3:But back when I wake me up, wake me up can you imagine billy with emo hair?
Speaker 1:yeah'm going to grow out four strands of hair and just gel it down. That would be so creepy, but like it's balding, you know. So you can grow it from the back of your head and you comb it out.
Speaker 4:You should Sharpie in emo hair. Yeah, Sharpie it in and like go over your eye.
Speaker 2:Go over your eye. You can see the eye when you open it. Dude yeah, sharp it in and like go over your eye. Go over your eye. That sounds horrendous.
Speaker 4:You can see the eye when you open it.
Speaker 1:Dude, that sounds horrendous. There's, I love I need to get into wearing wigs, Like not seriously, but like as like a comical thing or like a fun night out or something.
Speaker 4:Like a nice weave. We have.
Speaker 2:Don't you need hair to weave into with weaves?
Speaker 4:that's probably what weave means.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I'm pretty sure I don't know anything about so they would weave into his scalp okay, you ready for this, so I have. They're putting it in. So I have a wig that I got for my from my bachelor party. But it's even better than that, because my wife has these like extension. That's like extension, this like extension wig for women that they wear. Extensions is what they're called it's an extension wig, all right whatever it's called, I'm obviously not a hair expert. Okay, give me some rope here it's so.
Speaker 2:It won't be made of hair.
Speaker 1:Give me some hair so it's's like it's got a string. I'll have to put it on tonight because this will scar you. It's so funny, I think you might have seen it Scar us. I can't wait to be scarred.
Speaker 1:It's got a string and then it starts from here and then it's like a foot of like blonde hair back and it looks so bad when I'm bald, like when I'm bald Because I'm bald. Like when I'm bald Because I'm bald, and it looks like I have the greasiest, dirtiest mullet, like the cheapest shit ever. And it's so funny because we wore it. It's not meant to be worn as like anything other than like women literally putting it on to like make their hair look fuller. That's like, I think, the whole purpose of it. But I wore it with my wig and I remember I was so hot at this party and I took the wig off and I had just that on and I had literally people rolling on the ground laughing.
Speaker 1:Because it was the most ridiculous looking thing of all time, Literally. I'll find that later on tonight.
Speaker 4:You should put it on for the stream. Should I try to?
Speaker 1:find it right now yeah go, okay, all right, I'll be back. You guys, uh, what else you got on your mind?
Speaker 4:we're just gonna sit here. We say you're in silence, stare at each other don't say a word, there's a chance you do that it's a possibility did you see dune yet kyle?
Speaker 2:no, I haven't no, what are your?
Speaker 4:thoughts on the. Because you you never actually said when we're talking about it. Did you like the cliffhanger or you're kind of like me?
Speaker 2:no, I liked it and I it made me excited for, like the future of, I want to see more in that universe. I just went into it with the same and I had the same issue with that john wick.
Speaker 2:Um two, I didn't expect them for john wick three I didn't expect them to keep going, so I went in like all right, this is gonna wrap everything up and I was like, oh, I guess not, which is cool but that's how I felt about across the spider verse, because I didn't read beforehand that that was going to be a two-parter one out of part two and that was a big cliffhanger.
Speaker 2:We saw that together actually, but I remember at the end of it I was like the fuck it's still going like it's like and that one, the the cliffhanger, is like a build-up to what you've been waiting for, like, yeah, the last half of the movie.
Speaker 4:You're like, oh man, they're getting the spider team back together, oh I do remember thinking like man it's been going for like over two hours, like that's how I felt.
Speaker 2:I was like are they going to wrap this up how?
Speaker 4:are they going to do this? I?
Speaker 2:was like oh.
Speaker 4:I don't know how they're going to do it in the movie. I can't speak to the film because I haven't seen it yet, but I did read the books a long time ago. The first two movies is based on the first book. They split that up into two movies. Is based on the first book.
Speaker 2:They split that up into two movies because it's a decent sized book, um, but it didn't end on a cliffhanger because he, the author, wasn't actually sure if he was gonna like. So well, I'll just tell you it was pretty wrapped up, do you want? Me to tell you the ending, the movies you kind of already did yeah, so I mean he fights, he fights. I guess spoiler alert, spoiler alert for Dune 2. He fights the Emperor for the Emperor, title right, and then he has to fight that Shade.
Speaker 4:Fade.
Speaker 2:Fade is his name.
Speaker 1:Shade, yeah, fade.
Speaker 2:He kills Fade, and then he asks for the Emperor's daughter's hand in marriage and then, like, makes the emperor kiss his hand and then they tell him that the other houses that like parked above arrakis, are not accepting his rise to power. Yeah, so he's like all right, uh we go to war and then that's where it kind of ends and we see Johnny. Her name's Johnny, right, I think.
Speaker 4:So Johnny is like out in the desert about to ride a sandworm, because she's pissed, so the book ends pretty much with him getting the throne or whatever, usurping the empires, but it ends on that's kind of like a final, like him getting the throne or whatever Usurping the Emperor, but it ends on like that's kind of like a final he won. You know there's no threat of like looming war or anything like that, so like the houses.
Speaker 2:They didn't mention that at all.
Speaker 4:I mean it was like there, but it wasn't like like that was the end, okay. And then so when the second book comes out, it's like 12 years later, like 12 or 15 years later, something like that, and it implies that, oh, the last book ended great, but all of this happened, so they changed it in the movie, probably to make it more seamless going into the next one. That's where a lot of people are worried, because the second book was actually not that great, to be honest with you.
Speaker 4:I heard it's a lot of political intrigue, like a lot of yeah, um, it doesn't really lend itself well to like a blockbuster type thriller per se, probably a good tv show. Yeah, um, and there's like that that time skip where, like the war kind of already, like it was almost like this is what happened, kind of thing.
Speaker 2:He won it's over yeah.
Speaker 4:And then at the end of that one, then he becomes supreme ruler of the galaxy or some shit, and then he ends up having a worm hybrid son that rules for 3,000 years and then by the time we get to the fourth book, there's a 3,500 and then, so like by the time we get to the fourth book, there's like a 3,500 year skip. It literally jumps, and then that book is actually really good. So between Dune 1 and like Dune I think there's six there's like 4,000 years. So like, by the time we get, if they really do make all of these into a movie, all the people in the first one aren't even going to be in the. The final ones they.
Speaker 2:I I hope we at least see get to see the galactic war like I hope they don't skip over the 15 years. Um, like they do in the book, because I feel like there's a lot that goes on because doesn't like in the next book this is a spoiler for like books now, because I did research on it johnny becomes like his concubine. Yeah, so she doesn't get. She's like she's mad at the end of this movie and then she's like you win, you can have two wives, I guess.
Speaker 4:Um yeah, that's I mean I think the war would be more interesting to be made into a movie than what they actually did in the second book.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we'll see, especially with the. I mean, I that was one of the coolest things I think you know. Not knowing anything about Dune and going into it is. It's a genius move by the author of having those shields that make them fight with swords in space and you're like that's pretty cool that's how they can get away with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like that's why it makes sense. Um, but yeah, I I really want to see that technology on a grander scale, because we got to see it on arrakis. I want to see it in space now, because these are space-faring.
Speaker 1:Well, as you can see, here we got Eustace. Let the lettuce flow, baby, oh dear.
Speaker 2:God, oh God. What if you use it like a comb-over, Like you put it on the right side of your head and you flip it over to the left? That is wild.
Speaker 1:I'm like pirate software, but without the head there on the right side of your head and you flip it over.
Speaker 4:That is wild, I'm like pirate software, but without the head on there on the top. If you put a hat on, you wouldn't be able to tell.
Speaker 1:I've been working on this bad boy for five years I have to take it off because I'm gonna have a fat line that is that is like beautiful though?
Speaker 2:That is hilarious.
Speaker 1:Anyway.
Speaker 4:I love it.
Speaker 1:I took off the wig and was left with this. That was like oh my.
Speaker 2:That was beautiful.
Speaker 4:That was. I'm a little turned on. Just a little. Only a little. Yeah, me too. It's still weird, and the other half of me recognizes that.
Speaker 2:But the other half If he was wearing a hat, then I would be 100% turned on.
Speaker 1:That's 100% reason to remember the name. Imagine dropping that line with that wig on this is 10%, luck 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 15% pain and 100% reason to remember the name.
Speaker 4:That's 200%.
Speaker 1:It's 200.
Speaker 2:200%.
Speaker 1:That song is ridiculous.
Speaker 4:That song is. I can only think of Jaden Smith and the Karate Kid remake Because they used that song like the trailer.
Speaker 1:Imagine writing the lyrics so you don't have the beat yet. 15% pain, 20% skill, 10%.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a banger 100% reason to remember the name 100% reason remember the name.
Speaker 1:You're just like right.
Speaker 4:I don't know how you write that hey, you know what? It was very popular, so it worked. Everybody loved that song for a long time.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you hear it, come on, you're still like.
Speaker 4:It's a good beat.
Speaker 1:You can't beat that beat, can't beat the beat. So how was the lettuce? That was good. Huh, it looked good.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it did, it flowed. It flowed.
Speaker 2:We were talking about if you had a hat on, it would have been. Even I would have looked like Mike Myers. You would have had like a trucker hat.
Speaker 4:You would look like a dude from the South. I need his bones hat.
Speaker 1:That's what. I need I should have brought it.
Speaker 2:He should have known ahead of time that he was going to wear this hair.
Speaker 4:I know You're losing your touch.
Speaker 1:The hat's starting to.
Speaker 4:It's on its last legs.
Speaker 1:I would imagine it's only been used daily for seven years. Yeah.
Speaker 4:The snaps don't hold together anymore, really, so I'll be wearing it and it's just pop, oh man.
Speaker 2:What's the next hat?
Speaker 1:so I'll be wearing it, and it'll just pop, oh man, so I just retire. What's the next hat?
Speaker 4:I have an independent hat that I like Independent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, independent trucks. You going through a life crisis.
Speaker 4:I've never lost that. I've always had that style. I never changed. I only dress up for work. That's not the real me.
Speaker 1:Is Independence still a company? Yeah. They made this hat last year. Are skate companies thriving?
Speaker 4:I don't know, the stats on whether or not I think they're still doing good. Vans is still technically a skate company. It's still the biggest shoe Besides Nike. Now you have, vans is still technically a skate company and it's still the biggest shoe, I mean besides Nike, but it's still huge.
Speaker 2:And they're in the Olympics now, skateboarding yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, like back in the day, you could gauge the popularity of something based on how many stores there were, but everything is online, so much that you could I mean, I'm sure, just like with anything, anything else. Remember CCS catalogs CCS. Holy shit, dude, that takes me way back. It was a little fucking book yeah, a little flip book.
Speaker 4:I remember there was one shirt that I ordered from CCS that never arrived. I'm still salty about it. What if it just shows up and it said I'm a serial killer, and it had a picture of a spoon. And little me thought that that was hilarious and I ordered it and it never showed up shocked your parents even let you.
Speaker 1:I don't think how did you? How did you order from there?
Speaker 4:you had to call a number and like give your credit card number, or yeah, like literally mail in a form and it would like check boxes next what you wanted and like a check for how much it was totaled, because it would tell you what your total is. You could mail in the form with a check to pay for it and then they'd mail the stuff back. It's wild, it's absolutely wild. That seems really risky.
Speaker 1:Void on the check, Send it in and then they bill that account. That's unbelievable. That's why I laugh when people go like well the internet. They got it. They can hack your account and it's like do you realize what you used to literally hand a fucking random person.
Speaker 4:All of your account info.
Speaker 1:You got everything through the mail.
Speaker 4:Can you imagine people still paying by check at the grocery store? Like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:It still happens, except check it's like oh god. So I looked up, it's been trending up. I mean they're still making money every from 2018. Um, they were making 1.94 billion.
Speaker 1:Now the the industry was the industry, skateboard, market value and then that's just us, or is that global?
Speaker 2:in billion, in billion US dollars, but that's worldwide Skateboarding is absolutely massive in Japan, though 2.4 billion right now, next year, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1:It's 1.9 right now.
Speaker 2:No, it's 1.9 in 2018. Okay, and in 2025, it's projected to have 2.4.
Speaker 1:Globally, that's pretty small. That's a small market. That doesn't impress Billy. Look up pickleball. Like the market value for pickleball.
Speaker 4:I don't think I. I mean every skater I know does not want it to be huge.
Speaker 4:It's so weird it's like an indie thing no, it's not like an indie thing, but it's like it loses something when it like which I don't necessarily agree with. I'm just saying that's the mindset of like skaters, that it feels like, um, you're losing something when it becomes sold to the masses, which is like a lot of people didn't like it at the olympics because, for one, the judges at the olympics didn't really know what they're looking for. Like they didn't know how to judge it. Like they judged it based on like flashiness, but not like they didn't understand. Like what made something technically difficult versus what wasn't, and so so like at the Olympics was kind of I mean, don't get me wrong, everyone there was great at skating, but like they, it wasn't really assessed the way it would be at a real skate competition and so just stuff like that. Like it's always been so anti mainstream and now it's not, and so like there's kind of this weird like shift happening within skaters.
Speaker 2:Pickleball is as of 2022,. Global pickleball market size is 1,322 million, so 1.3 billion.
Speaker 1:So pickleball is half the size of skateboarding. Okay, that's a good reference point because pickleleball exploded there for a minute. But I think of how many skate parks, how many skate parks it did feel like when Tony Hawk Pro Skater were coming up Early 2000s.
Speaker 4:So when Tony Hawk did the 900. So 1999 Up until about 2007, I think, was the peak as far as like popularity, and then it went down again and then when the olympics came out it started to go way back up again. Um, but skating has always ebbed and flowed like that. It's never had a steady, consistent it's like punk, yeah, punk rock. It's like a lot of the music in that era too, that's actually kind of interesting.
Speaker 1:You know, I uh, I just don't know how many kids are like. I don't know if I could go to a walmart. I remember back in the day you could go to a walmart and buy a skateboard. It sucked, but you could buy one. I don't I don't know that you can they still have like a skateboard on the um they still suck they still yeah I would have hoped that they would have figured out. I mean, the bearings were like literally well, maybe they do that by design.
Speaker 4:So the trucks aren't even made of metal, it's hard plastic, dude that's so bad that's like oh sick terrible they're so bad I remember we were young.
Speaker 1:And it's not even cheap.
Speaker 4:It's like 60 for a walmart board and it's not even cheap. It's like $60 for a Walmart board and it's like if you're a parent, if your kid expresses interest in this, just literally you could buy a much better complete for like 80 bucks. It's like why are you Don't do that to your kid, Like, get an actual good.
Speaker 4:You can get like a plain nice deck unbranded for like 40 bucks and then you can just finish all the. You can get a plain nice deck unbranded for $40. And then you can just finish all the nice quality stuff and finish the whole thing for $80.
Speaker 2:Heck, you could probably find one secondhand that's in good condition, better than what you could at Walmart, yeah but I think what you guys are saying applies to quite literally anything Like building your own computer.
Speaker 1:Oh you could do so much cheaper if you do it for yourself. I think people just like a skateboard and, as a parent, yeah fucking no, and you don't really care, you just there you go especially I bought my kid a skateboard. It's still 20 bucks cheaper and my kid's not gonna. You know, notice the difference oh, we noticed here's kids.
Speaker 4:We definitely especially skaters I I don't know how the culture is now, but as a kid growing up, the skate culture was a lot more rough than it is now and so like if you show up to a skate park with like a Walmart board, you just got like relentlessly picked on by everyone at the skate park.
Speaker 4:Well, you could like hear the difference Everyone would be like and this was back when, like you know, slurs were just thrown around no big deal. And this was back when, like you know, slurs were just thrown around, no big deal, and like you'd be questioning your sexuality at the end of it, because they were so mean to you and like calling you like every mean way to say gay, like it was like a whole different world. It was crazy.
Speaker 1:I haven't been to a skate park in like years. I just don't see them being built anymore. I wonder if they're including that global value with longboarding, because I could see longboarding also trending up, because it's like a cruising thing. I just don't know. I don't know. This is what I guess the point I'm trying to make is. I went to the store Costco. I don't know if you guys ever heard of it. No, costco, I don't know if you guys ever heard of it.
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 1:The other day for like $100 or a couple hundred bucks, there was a scooter, an electric scooter, that had a 28-mile range on it.
Speaker 2:Electric scooters are really popular now yeah.
Speaker 1:We had skateboards because it was a way to get around. Well, for the same fucking kind of money I mean back in the day we would spend about $200 was the kind of I would say, the barrier to entry to a decent skateboard that's what I felt like back in the day was. If you wanted good bearings, good wheels, good trucks good board.
Speaker 4:That was like $200. I think like maybe $120.
Speaker 1:Really, I feel like when I got mine it was like $200.
Speaker 2:Of course, Kyle, Of course you bought the $200 one.
Speaker 1:Well, I was a kid, so my parents did, and no way they share the same flavor and taste. I got what I got. Let's just put it that way. I don't even remember.
Speaker 4:I don't think a high-quality skateboard would have been $200 back then, to be honest, with you. Your first board was a flip board, then you had a birdhouse? No, you definitely had a birdhouse. I don't think I owned two skateboards you 100% had a flip board and then a birdhouse. Trust me, I know I've probably owned somewhere in the vicinity of 75 skateboards yeah, my god what happened to all of them.
Speaker 2:It's break, wear down.
Speaker 4:You broke all 75 that they would let like if you're skating every day, you can get like five months out of it if you're like not breaking them um. And you know, I skated pretty much every day from the time I was like eight to like 19. What did my birdhouse board look like? It literally just was a blue skateboard and it had like the the skeleton bird on it.
Speaker 1:Um, I don't remember that and you.
Speaker 4:That was your last one, your very first one was a flip board and then you had a birdhouse and you got the birdhouse one around the same time that Matthew got his money board. I don't remember what the deck was, but the cryptate was money. That's so funny.
Speaker 1:But when the alternative I feel like my parents spent like around 200 to get that board. I mean we we possibly went to a store and we part pieced it together what's a good wheel, what's good bearings, we kind of put it together. It's 200 bucks. I feel like that's what I remember. That was 15 years ago, you know, whatever that is, for the same kind of money today you can get a scooter that goes 15, 20 miles an hour and has 30 miles of range as a kid at least, my preference. I can't speak for you because I know how much you love skating. It was fun to do. I didn't like falling, let's put it that way. Even when it came to snowboarding, I never did like your tricks because I just like the cruising part. If I had the choice of skateboard or electric scooter, I'm fucking going electric scooter all day long because that just fits my style. Much more and um.
Speaker 4:I feel like that's probably why as much as I think I would enjoy like an electric scooter. I was so like susceptible to being afraid, to being like being bullied growing up that I never would have done that because, like the skate community would just totally roast you relentlessly if you had a scooter of any kind.
Speaker 1:And even though I'm sure, like not allowed into the skate park. Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 4:And they're still kind of like that, to be honest. But I, if I had a scooter of any kind of way like I, was very aware of who was around me when I was on it, so I probably never would have taken it anywhere other than like our cul-de-sac hmm, yeah, if so, what about if you had never even touched a skateboard and you never touched a scooter and you didn't know about all like?
Speaker 4:I had a dirt bike, so I'd much prefer that over you got into dirt biking, I think before skating right no, no, I was. I was into dirt biking from like 13 to 16 did you ever dirt?
Speaker 2:bike, I like once or twice.
Speaker 1:I don't think, to this day, I've ever ridden a dirt bike.
Speaker 4:Dirt biking is fun. I was never really that good at it but it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:I always wanted to be good at skateboarding, but I just I couldn't.
Speaker 1:I didn't like hurting myself yeah.
Speaker 2:I didn't, that was my whole thing.
Speaker 1:I didn't. I was like, no matter what, what I do, it's not going to be fucking cool and I'm going to like I'm going to fall 20 times before I learn and I guess it's not interesting to me, and that was. That's where I was I was the kid I was dude.
Speaker 1:This is who I was as a kid. I was religious about wearing safety gear. You never saw kyle said I 1000. I was that kid. I was 100% of the time if I was not riding something, I had a helmet on. Yeah, 100% of the time I used to even wear these wrist guards, which I thought they were just fucking cool because then you could fall and you're like I'm good. I didn't really wear elbow and knee pads because they always sucked, you'd fall and they'd just fucking go.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway, so they weren't that useful. But like wrist guards I'd wear sometimes rarely. But helmet, you did not catch me on anything.
Speaker 4:Bike, scooter nothing you know what's crazy is I, um, even when I was young, as soon as my parents weren't looking, I would take my helmet off. I so I, and then, as I got older, they kind of stopped carrying um, so I just never really, and then, especially when I was a teenager, like I definitely was not wearing a helmet like this lame yeah, and so, like I, uh, I never wore a helmet.
Speaker 4:A lot of that was like peer pressure, maybe from like my older brother, or like just being in the community. Helmets were lame, you know, you didn't wear a helmet. I would never let my kid on a skateboard without a helmet. Like that just seems stupid. I would never. And I'm lucky. Out of all the bones I've broken in skating, all the, all the tendons I have stretched and torn and, uh, I'm lucky I've never got a head injury, because that's just like.
Speaker 1:It's synonymous with skating.
Speaker 4:It's just silly to not have a helmet on. I just don't understand.
Speaker 1:There's two times. Like I said, we were constantly outside. We were on something, whether I was on a bike, skateboard whatever, molly.
Speaker 1:I never, ever, I never would not have a helmet on, and there's only two instances in my entire life that I look back on that. I was so grateful that I had it like of all like again. This is like a 10 year span. I only hit my head where it was like okay, so great, twice, but holy shit when head where it was like okay, so twice, but holy shit. When I did, it was like I would have knocked. There was one time we were grinding. We used to buy fucking the most obnoxious wax. We'd wax the shit out of the curbs.
Speaker 4:Destroyed the curbs at our neighborhood.
Speaker 1:I think they've kind of slowly healed from that Like the wax has melted.
Speaker 4:I think they've kind of slowly healed from that Years. It's been like 15 years probably Since I've waxed a curb.
Speaker 1:We waxed. It was actually in front of my house. We never skated over there, but this is the one memory I have and I Ollied up, got onto it, slipped back and my head hit the corner of the curb and I had the helmet on and I remember laying there on the ground just for like an extra five seconds. Going like this is why you wear it, because that would have knocked my lights out. I mean, I would have been fucked up because I I it was didn't protect it at all spack the head, crack and I was like thank you. And then another time was on a bike. But man lucky Thank God, he's really good at balance stuff and I was always like we had shitty ramps and stuff and they were not rated. I was always older than these. It was not rated for my weight. I was always like it was pushing it too much.
Speaker 4:Also your center of balance. You would lean back whenever you got to a ramp. It's basically like going up to something and kicking it.
Speaker 1:They would slide out, we would put blocks and stuff and they would still move. It just never worked out.
Speaker 4:They got warped. It was all bowed up in the front so you had to kind of lift up as you went up the ramp. It was extra intimidating.
Speaker 1:You did clothesline so I I aged out of that quickly and so I let him and something cool gaming uh take over that part of our lives and I just rode a bike and did whatever. But uh, I mean it was insane that that kind of shit like these guys were crazy. They got so, so comfortable and used to that stuff. I would do stuff if it was like if we could guarantee safety. I remember we would. That's just what I was.
Speaker 1:I would back up the ramp to the because the only thing I was really good at was ollieing. I could ollie really well and I never landed a kickflip in my life, never landed a heelflip in my life, never could do. I could pop, shove it, but I was about it. Then Ollie, I was good at Ollie, so we'd back these ramps up against the curb and at something cool gaming's house we would stack his recycle bins and I remember we would go and like we'd see how fucking high we could get At some point. I would check it out and Kyle would get to some point and he'd fucking break his arm trying to do some ridiculous thing. He had no business trying.
Speaker 4:Lengthwise on the ramp. Lengthwise, my record was seven boards long and then, funny enough, flatland Ollie, I could Ollie six boards, so like I could only get one more board with the ramp. Huh, uh, I don't know what. I don't think the ramp actually added a whole lot to distance, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I can you really ollie off of like that ramp, you know, like you kind of just float? I mean, if it was like a real ramp you could yeah but this thing, like if you all the whole thing would flip yeah, so you had to just kind of float off um height wise.
Speaker 4:Uh, I think I got five decks like with just an ollie just stacked on. My ollies were never that great, um, but yeah, like we would something cool gaming and I we would. We also would like really push ourselves to do things that like we weren't even like skilled enough to do. But like that was part of how like I got decent at skating was because I didn't really have a lot of fear and so like, even if I wasn't like on the level of what I was trying to do, I would do it until I could do it literally like that like a like, like a degenerate souls player just fighting the same boss over and over.
Speaker 2:He would knock him up.
Speaker 1:He'd fucking be bloodied arms and hands. He's like I got this, I got this. He also had an art to falling that I just, my brother and I never got.
Speaker 4:I did martial arts my whole life too, so I knew how to roll pretty well.
Speaker 1:It was like grace to his falling mine was you, you, you, you there was. You were risking death if you, if you fell down.
Speaker 2:He's like he's never athletic.
Speaker 1:But you know what's funny is like if you were to go to I don't know, maybe you can speak to this if you were to, if we were to grow up now on the same street that we did, we couldn't really skate out there they do like uh, what happened they? Do, and I think they do this like all roads. Now I don't know if it's better grip or it lasts longer, but it's got like groups yeah, and like rocks like little pebbles.
Speaker 1:Everywhere. It's like this grainy. Ours used to be clean, our cul-de-sac was smooth.
Speaker 4:It was like and they repaved it, yeah, our cul, our cold stack was smooth, but now it's all like rough and you just like eat away at your wheels.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, like a bike is still totally fine, but like a skateboard imagine falling on that dude it'll shred you up. It's like falling on dirt. Yeah, it was not. I don't know I I noticed that about because I still play like go back home and we'll play football out front or whatever. And you fell? Yeah, no, I didn't fall, I was just noticing the ground and I'm like this doesn't even this looks horrendous to try and skate on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you can tell, driving it too Like you'll be driving. There's some places on the way to Vegas that have the normal old asphalt, that's that flat. And you hit it and you're like, ooh, that have the normal old asphalt, that's that flat and you hit it and you're like, ooh. Like what's this.
Speaker 4:Ooh, we're getting a little crazy here Wow. And then you're back to I'm liking the vibrations yeah, we used to have the most ghetto rig stuff too, like we would make like boxes and I was waiting for you to lick his finger.
Speaker 1:I thought he's gonna offer it up.
Speaker 4:Well, I remember something cool gaming and I we made this whole skate park in his backyard, literally plywood and like it was it kind of worked.
Speaker 1:He sized it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we had like a wall ride, like spine transfer, like rails, and we like we just constructed it all and it was like really like shoddily put together, but like it was, like it worked. It was the true essence of skating. Like it was so, it was so fun. And then, uh, his uh old lady neighbor below him got all pissed off at us because we were being loud and I was like we can be as loud as we want, between 8 and 10. I'm like 14 yelling at this old lady.
Speaker 1:She's down a hill and probably minimum 100 feet away and she's complaining about kids at 4 pm in the afternoon skateboarding.
Speaker 2:She sounds like a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:You know, I hope I never become that person, Because even today there will be stuff like I'll be working or whatever. They don't build homes like they used to. I hear a lot of this shit outside and it makes me happy when I hear kids playing out front or when I see a family doing something together and you see it or you hear it. That stuff makes me. I hope I never get to a point where I'm jaded.
Speaker 2:Billy's staring out the window, smiling.
Speaker 4:They're like look at this creepy bastard. Let's go inside kids Billy's. Like I have found myself when I'm out in public where, like, if I see a group of teenagers and like the boys are being like loud and obnoxious, and my initial I'm like, oh my god, they're so fucking annoying. Like that's what I think. And then I like start thinking back and I'm like I was just as annoying maybe even worse when I was a teenager, like especially when me and your brother got together. We would like, just for fun, scream at each other, like in public spaces, at the mall, just like yelling. We'd be like alf sorensen pool and like literally just random shit right and
Speaker 4:I was so and I'm like you know what, unless they actually like, physically, do something to me personally, it's whatever you know, be your only young ones. Be as loud and obnoxious as you want, just don't be criminal, you know like.
Speaker 1:The only thing that I would have no patience for is like those shitty tiktok pranks or whatever.
Speaker 4:Yeah that's different, you know, don't affect me personally exactly where.
Speaker 1:Where someone's trying to ruin your day, but if you're with your friends, and there's that one friend.
Speaker 4:That's the class clown that's being loud or whatever. It's not that big a deal. But if you come up to me at Home Depot and put a bucket on my head, I'm going to fucking chase after you, you pretend like it wasn't you that somebody ramped.
Speaker 1:God, I'm going to fucking chase after you. You pretend like it wasn't you that somebody ramped. God I swear I've never seen one of those go down in public.
Speaker 1:And I feel like I see so much content online and this is how I rationalize with it, because you see this and you're like God, people are getting worse. And then you're like wait a minute. I've been in public spaces recently. How many people had their phone out and they were trying to do this. Like this is niche, niche, niche. These people suck. Like this is not reality. The internet is not a real place.
Speaker 4:Stop thinking about it. Well, my brother worked in security at a grocery store for a while and he said the one that actually did happen a lot that used to really piss him off would be the slipping and dropping the milk jugs. Oh, he said that happened all the time and uh, at the grocery store he worked at, it would just make him pay for the how is that funny?
Speaker 1:I never understood. Which is like what?
Speaker 4:five dollars for a gallon of milk or whatever, just freaking trying to spike the insurance fraud. No, it's just like no, it's just funny like, and then you throw the milk, yeah did you?
Speaker 1:what did you? Did you get into like rollerblading or skating or scootering or any kind of like dirt biking, like any motorized stuff, like? Did you have any? Hobbies as kids did you?
Speaker 3:were you normal? Did you do anything? Did you have friends?
Speaker 4:Were they real. Did you have?
Speaker 2:friends that weren't pillows.
Speaker 1:Did your parents love you? Now I know that's true. Tell me everything I know they didn't.
Speaker 2:I mainly biked. I did ride a scooter. One of the few things I won in school. Remember when we had the assemblies and you could win something in a raffle. I won a Razor scooter.
Speaker 1:Ooh, the Rolls Royce of scooters. I felt so badass, hell yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I still have it actually.
Speaker 4:I would have been making fun of you at the skate park when we were kids. I wouldn't have.
Speaker 2:I had a helmet on, so I had no place to make fun of it.
Speaker 1:I probably I could probably count on I could count on two hands how many times I went to a skate park. I never went to them. I fucking hated them. I hated the culture there. I hated everything about I hated it was. I was so uncomfortable I did not want to be there, but yeah I mainly, I mainly just would.
Speaker 2:Um, none of my friends were into skating or anything else. I tried to skate for a little bit, but then most of the time I would say in my childhood it was probably just we would walk to the park and kind of hang out at the park and then get up to some type of nonsense or something.
Speaker 1:There you go. Yeah, now, when you rode, when you did play on your sweet new Razor, did you wear a helmet?
Speaker 2:No, I was one of those kids that I didn't like helmets.
Speaker 4:Somehow he was still cooler than you. Look at that.
Speaker 1:He was cool. My inner toxic skater's coming out right now I can tell I'm insecure, I'm getting all my feelings back.
Speaker 4:It makes your already big head bigger. I'm just kidding, I'm getting all my feelings back. It makes your already big head bigger.
Speaker 1:I'm just kidding. I needed to protect it with a helmet.
Speaker 2:We mostly just played with my friend's siblings. We'd play at his house with his siblings or something, and then I'd go home and play video games, do you think?
Speaker 4:kids still get into nonsense like that.
Speaker 1:Or have we lost that Dude? 100% still happens, 100%.
Speaker 4:Kids just go outside and wreak havoc.
Speaker 1:Yes, 100%.
Speaker 2:But on the level we did Probably not no.
Speaker 1:Imagine if you had the type of games available to you today. Would you go out as much as you did?
Speaker 4:no, no, that I mean not at all, I mean we had a lot of games, but there's things like you're missing too well, so like.
Speaker 1:And then here's the whole thing, like when you get a phone and how much, how much time of the day you lose to your phone.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's a very real thing.
Speaker 4:I didn't even have a smartphone until I was like 17, 18.
Speaker 2:A smartphone, probably high school I had a Sophomore. I had a slide phone in middle school yeah, I had a slide phone.
Speaker 1:Oh, you were hella cool then. I didn't have that, I had a flip phone.
Speaker 4:I never had a flip phone, so I went straight from the Nokia brick to a slide phone. I remember that piece of shit.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 4:I had the slide phone for a while, and then I.
Speaker 1:This thing was on its last leg for about half a decade and he still was rocking it.
Speaker 4:I used to hang out at the casino and I must have been at least 18 then by the time I got a smartphone, Because I remember we'd be hanging out. I was like 16, 17 and we'd hang out at the casino and I have clear memories of taking that phone and just throwing it across the hall because I was like it's indestructible and then I pick it up and it's fine.
Speaker 1:I don't think that was like we were hanging there for, like, at the bowling alley or something.
Speaker 4:I was old enough to drive when I still had that phone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what was your first phone?
Speaker 4:My first phone was a Nokia.
Speaker 1:No, no, no A smartphone.
Speaker 4:My first smartphone was a Note 4. I think.
Speaker 1:I was like 18 when I bought it. Note 4 came out when I was still in high school.
Speaker 4:I got mine way after you.
Speaker 1:Oh, that is true.
Speaker 4:They had already been on to like. When I got my Note 4, it was already old. It was like a couple generations old, because that's when Note 7s were blowing up on the airplane and they were selling notes for hella cheap and I got a Note 4 because of it.
Speaker 1:That happened when I was in college. Yeah, it might have been. Been. Wow, that's a long time then, because I remember that stupid that phone you and the battery was flying out of it was. We're just hucking it down the hallway. So that's the kind of nonsense he's talking about, but I remember my thought.
Speaker 4:I was like I got an ipod touch, I don't need a smartphone I did same.
Speaker 2:That's what I thought.
Speaker 1:Touch, that's what I got first and I was like, yeah, I got an iPod Touch, I don't need a smartphone.
Speaker 2:I did the same. I had an iPod Touch. That's what I got first and I was like, yeah, this is so cool.
Speaker 1:Well, because the internet on phones really didn't exist.
Speaker 4:Suck, you couldn't do it unless you were on Wi-Fi anyways.
Speaker 1:They called it Edge right. The mobile service that you had was not 3G.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1:E.
Speaker 2:E yeah, it was. E holy shit that was terrible.
Speaker 1:It was so slow it'd run in like half a megabit. You'd be loading a picture and it's like. And none of the internet was designed for smartphone usage, so like all the websites were ass.
Speaker 4:It was all the web browser version on like a shitty phone so buggy god, that was the wild west at that time. I remember I got on the the internet once with my slide phone and it like my parents were obviously paying for the bill and it charged them so fucking much for it and I couldn't even do anything. Like it was like it was. I don't even know why that was an option to get on the internet ringtones.
Speaker 1:Yes, guys remember buying ringtones.
Speaker 4:Yes, I used to record from the radio oh that's what I did, yeah and then you could save that to your ringtone.
Speaker 1:Oh man, that just takes me back. There's so much nonsense, but I think the kids still are kids. I feel like it might just look different Versus we were outside. I feel like it might just look different, you know, like versus we were outside. I think probably they have ways of hanging out, roblox, yeah, and I don't know if that's, it's probably better in some ways your kids are safe and it's probably worse in a lot of ways, you know, because they're also not safe Online. Yeah, for me.
Speaker 4:I play Roblox runescape and roblox is like it's very like um infamous for like predators playing those games to like talk to children which is I don't know why. I even giggled when I said that, because it's terrible. I laugh when things are awkward. That's always been a down. I'll be delivering bad news and I can't help but like Smile Sorry.
Speaker 1:Smile through the pain.
Speaker 4:So yeah, I don't know, I think, but also we've talked about this before where our parents were not even remotely a part of the Internet age and so like there really was just no knowledge on how to even protect a child from anything on the Internet.
Speaker 1:Dude, I was playing Guild Wars and MMO in sixth grade and my parents had no idea Like what. I could have gotten into some shit man. No MMO in 6th grade and my parents had no idea I could have gotten into some shit man. My parents had no idea. They never watched me play.
Speaker 1:They never saw what type of game it was or what things I was exposed to. I remember the day I realized that the game comes with a default chat filter and I remember, and I turned that setting off comes with a default chat filter and I remember, like, and I turned that setting off. I was like, oh, fuck, oh it worked. I remember like it's shocking how I didn't end up more screwed up Because of like Very well adjusted.
Speaker 4:Yeah because I could have.
Speaker 1:I mean especially the way I played. I was like voice chatting in middle school with adults. Some shit could have happened, but I think that's.
Speaker 4:That's one of those things like me with the helmet. You don't think about that until you're an adult. And you start thinking about it from a perspective of like if I had a kid?
Speaker 1:yeah, but like how much there is benefit to like as a parent what, what, what. Like I look back and it's like, wow, what could happen? But it didn't, because, like, on balance, the world is a good place. I truly believe that and I know it's true and so that, like I had a good experience. I didn truly believe that and I know it's true and so that, like I had a good experience, I never had like any weird moments and I felt like, if I can't even remember to like a weird moment that I was like, oh, this is, I need to back out of this or whatever. So, like as a parent now, because it exists, I feel like there's, because technology is and you can automate things we're compelled to solve for that ever happening. So we layer on all this difficulty and all this crap that we layer on that. I don't know if it's good, do you guys understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I think you have a skewed perspective, though You're a guy. You're a guy. If you were a little girl playing guild wars, you would have it, probably would. You probably would have run into people that were weirdos.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, even, not even if you're a little girl just being a girl gamer, in general they the unfortunate reality is they're exposed to a lot of fucks out there. Yeah, and yeah, I think it's like it's sad, but true and uh, you know that's.
Speaker 1:I think that that does make sense what you brought up because, like I think about when in a public school they always have all these different filters and like uh, proxies and shit that you can't like play any of the games online like at school computers cool math games, you're not. People always found workarounds. Yeah, I remember loading shit into usbs and like playing games that way, and I mean you. There was always workarounds. I remember in high school a friend of uh, a friend of mine had this like usb thumb drive act thing. He shut down the fucking school server because he downloaded like this, this, this thing he found on a torrent website. He fucking literally uploaded a virus into the computer and shut down the whole.
Speaker 1:It was like a big deal god damn he was like his like little backyard hacker and he had like this little paper in his pocket and he had a fucking thumb drive with all this shit. He was weird. He had all these commands written down on this piece of paper.
Speaker 4:Was that the one that almost got you expelled, or was that another kid?
Speaker 1:For what?
Speaker 4:You had a project together.
Speaker 1:Oh, that was middle school. That was something totally different. That was totally different.
Speaker 4:No, no, this was actually a really good friend of mine actually he's, uh, my best friend, still hanging out with him daily um, but like he, he was like this.
Speaker 1:He saw himself like this little fucking black hat hacker kind of guy in high school and with the fedora yeah, exactly the v for vendetta, mask yeah. So, like as a parent, what do you like? What do you? Do you go and you layer on all these protection and privacy things like on your wi-fi and try to control, or do you just try to teach?
Speaker 1:like know that they're going to get into that kind of stuff on the internet, they're going to see shit way before than they should know that that's going to happen whether it happens at home or with their friends or whatever, they're going to be experienced, they're going to be exposed to shit that way, before you think, and so you just like you educate your kids to deal with that and manage that, and handle that as like I think it's healthy to have that conversation uh, fairly early about.
Speaker 4:You don't have to go into graphic detail or anything, but you can talk about, like just internet safety in general, what exists like you need to be careful. You need don't search for certain things like you know, like all these different rules, you know, um. But also when it comes to gaming. Hopefully my kid doesn't see this as like me being lame, like that lame dad, but the fact that, like we're all gamers, I could totally see myself just gaming with my kids yeah and like having a lot of fun hobby being like sharing a hobby with my daughter yeah, and I could.
Speaker 4:I could very easily like protect her in that way, but also still have fun, yeah you know my I when I was a kid.
Speaker 1:When I was a kid, I wanted to play games with my dad all time and he never.
Speaker 4:He couldn't give a shit about some of my best memories were um gaming with my dad or watching him game you know like, and this is like old school, like 90s, like it's because I always, we always beat my dad.
Speaker 1:They just always cooked him, he sucked at video games. He'd always throw a ball, but he'd never. He could not. He could care less about video games. He'd be falling asleep playing Madden. Oh shit, it's my turn. I don't know. I just yeah, I feel like you can layer to the cows. Come home and you can restrict, restrict, restrict. But the reality is they're. They're gonna get exposed to shit and it's probably way sooner. First time I was ever exposed to pornographic material was third, second or third grade.
Speaker 4:Somebody came in, um, I was on the school playground and somebody had a playboy no, well, they used to just sell them at 7-eleven and I remember we'd go to 7-eleven and we we'd laugh because they'd have these black filters and we'd sneakily move them aside.
Speaker 2:You weren't even into it at that point. I don't even think they do that anymore.
Speaker 1:Do they even sell that stuff there? I don't think that they do. I don't think at 7-Eleven, Because that whole shelf with magazines I haven't gone to the magazine section of 7-Eleven in a long time they didn't have a magazine section. I was going to say they just have an extra candy section.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like that's all they have. It's kind of wild to think that they At the 7-Eleven by our house.
Speaker 2:Growing up they used to just sell porn mags, like right there on like the front counter, like there'd be like the cash register and all the mags underneath yeah, and like I don't think you can get away with that now the when the 7-eleven I went to, there was the cash register which was like an island and then directly like you had to walk behind them. But it was right there. It was a wall and it was just mixed in with all the regular magazines so you could go over there.
Speaker 1:Look at, like game informer yeah and there was a playboy they sold game informer at seven well, just like.
Speaker 2:So you know, they just sell all kinds of magazines.
Speaker 4:That's how they even had a um, uh, an arcade thing for a little bit at 7-eleven, um, next to all the slot machines, like the kid be playing right here, and then they're all. The slot machines were along the front wall.
Speaker 2:there I'm gonna play some rounds like I'm going to play some rounds.
Speaker 4:Can you imagine spending five hours at 7-Eleven gambling? Come on man To your point. I think that's a perfect example of how things are just different, but not any less good or bad. We had our own bads, a hundred percent back then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, every generation has their own totally different identity. Traveling and hearing my grandpa's stories. As a kid he just fucking walked as an eight-year-old kid just would around with a gun. No, it's just like. That was like a norm. His fun would be fucking around in a field with a gun. At eight years old.
Speaker 4:That was like a normal, like yeah, my grandpa was homeless at nine in the great depression.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, my, uh, my dad, he so that's a better thing, right? They his grandma or his mom and dad put him on a bus to san francisco by himself and he was eight to get picked up by his aunt and uncle.
Speaker 1:He missed the bus stop like he didn't get off in time, so they lost him contrast that with, people will not put their kids into daycare unless it has a live, high quality, high definition, live stream of their kids so they can watch to make sure nothing's which is fine with me which is so fucking great, you don't. You don't have a problem with that.
Speaker 4:No, I don when it comes to my kid first off, I have nothing against daycares. What I do have against daycares is how expensive it is, but that's a whole other topic. But if I had access to be able to look at and view my kid, I think I would be okay with that, even knowing that other people did too, because I'm sure they're vetted you know I'm saying that other.
Speaker 1:It's on the internet. It's being hosted, so like a live stream okay, child is on.
Speaker 4:That is a good point. That's my thing. Not a fan of that.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's creepy I'm really not a fan of that, so daniel in the chat says I want a live stream and so many parents think that. But like, what the fuck do you expect? Like, realistically, you see something on there, what do you do? You're gonna fucking. You still gotta get over there. Like, let's say, you see a murderer walk in and start shooting everybody or whatever, like you can't do anything about it. It's already happened. I I feel like that is so you have to have, like you're paying to your point, two grand a month for your kid there and now I don't like that. My kid's livelihood is being streamed to the internet.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but there's all these horror stories. There's all these horror stories of kids getting abused and kids I know why it exists. There's a reason it exists. I think it's like you gotta take the good with the bad and if you're in that situation, I still think as much as I like I said I don't like the idea of my kid being on the internet or anything like that I do feel like I would be more comfortable just knowing that there's a camera holding people accountable.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, but then like, like okay, that camera's only in one bit room, they go to the other room and they just do the abuse in there. I I don't again like, I feel like you're just layering on all this complexity and I don't know if it actually benefits, and I get that that's a risk, but are we really at that point in society where it's like you think that and I don't have a kid, obviously, so my perspective is going to be way different once I have them.
Speaker 1:But is that a realistic concern? I'm phrasing that wrong. Is that? Does a live stream even solve that? Are you going to sit there at work with your kid up all day and you're just watching them? I don't know, knowing my wife.
Speaker 4:she 100% would. Yeah, and I probably would have it up too. I don't know. I think there's a certain comfort of knowing that, even if, like you said to your point, if something happens, how quickly are you going to be able to get there? How can you alert? I just that's my whole thing with daycare.
Speaker 4:I just um, obviously not everyone is in a situation. I mean, sometimes it's unavoidable. I'm very, very, very fortunate, uh, that I have, we have support in our life so we don't have to use a daycare. But, um, I would like to be aware, uh. But yes, that is concerning. I wouldn't like the idea that it could be ripped and it'd be online or like somebody's watching not you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's just fucking weird. So dan says I'm not watching a monitor, I'm watching him to see how he's getting along.
Speaker 4:That's huge. I see that Milestones are very important, oh look, he made a friend.
Speaker 1:Listen, there's a ton of pros, but one. I really don't like the idea of my kid being live streamed to the internet. I just feel like that's a huge security.
Speaker 4:It's all on Twitch. They have like a million followers daycare.
Speaker 2:That'd be like going off right now.
Speaker 4:That would be a huge red flag that would be that'd be shut down so quick if it was on a company like twitch. Like I really don't think that that would youtube especially they monitor up for it they might youtube monitor children stuff so heavily now youtube does does as they should.
Speaker 1:But you still have videos of kids playing on YouTube.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you can make comments, but there's no comments. Oh, like all ads. If it's a video that's geared towards children, all ads are prefaced with a pre-ad letting them know that this isn't the official video. This is an ad, you know, just stuff like that.
Speaker 2:And it's like children ads, right, it's not going to show you like, yeah, they won't show you.
Speaker 4:if you're, it's not going to.
Speaker 1:All the ads are specific when it's a children video to like children things you know, I think it just and maybe not the age of daycare or whatever, but like I think you just got to let kids be and understand that the world is, there's risks and we're not, as parents, going to be able to control it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, sign them on a bus to San Francisco.
Speaker 1:See, that's crazy shit.
Speaker 2:I know, so you go from that.
Speaker 1:Within two generations. You go from that to I have to have a live stream of my kid at daycare. There's people, literally multiple people, just watching this and sitting in this room To put them in the daycare. They that is a feature they're requiring, like we. In two generations you go. Go from the kid wandering a field with a fucking gun at eight years old to I have to have a high definition stream of my kid at all times, like it's yeah, it's kind of like I said my grandpa literally this was 1929, uh, because my grandpa was already pretty old that time my mom was born, but this is like 1929.
Speaker 4:He got home from school and there was a note in the door that said we moved, see if your cousin will take you, or whatever. And he went there and they're like we can't afford you. And so he was homeless at nine years old and he was a little street urchin and he survived long enough to tell you could join the military, but like it's wild to think about and he was pretty well adjusted those are the good old days that people want to go back to it's called cowpaw, I just like is that a cowboy, head on?
Speaker 1:let's extrapolate that with like uh, where do you? So? This is, this is two generations. Where are we two generations but forward? Like are parents getting reports of like? Are there like biometric readings of like? Hydration levels like hydration levels throughout the day and and glucose levels.
Speaker 2:Like you didn't, you missed your snack at 12 56, you know you're, you're you didn't eat your you know, kyle had the the thing for your baby shower. It was like a heart monitor with it. It was like a crazy baby.
Speaker 1:See if their heart rate stopped or something, right?
Speaker 4:I don't know what was it so there's a sock that you can put on a child that has the heart rate, the oxygen level, their sleep pattern. It tells you what level of sleep they're in like rem or not, you know um and it'll alert you the moment that something's out of pattern. Like it's, it's so and I would. I don't even know if I feel comfortable not having that you know.
Speaker 1:Did it ever go off? Yeah, oh really. Well, it'll go off, if like for you, though, did it like coughing or something? Did it panic you?
Speaker 4:like. Did it ever like, yeah, oh really, what it'll go off of. Like uh, for you, though, did it like coughing or something, did it?
Speaker 1:panic, you like. Did it ever go off or was like a lot of false alarms? Or did it actually benefit um?
Speaker 4:I would definitely be more of a benefit.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was okay good see, because we're such data, we're such. I feel like humans are so data driven and that's why we've gotten to this point Exactly. It's like we only see the benefits, like, oh, I want to, I want us to make it a course, cause it makes sense, but then it brings on this other stuff. I wonder if, like you're, you're seeing like all these like real time health feeds of like your kids to make sure that they're optimizing that like, or they're gonna be wearing google glass and it records their whole day and you have like a vod review with your parents, you just like fast forward, like I don't really like how you talk to your friend here. What we need to do is we need to go back and we need to address this language.
Speaker 4:Um, you're like your kid is at daycare and they do something, and you like, come in like through augmented reality. What are you doing? Come in like through augmented reality. What are you doing?
Speaker 1:Well, because like what because I guess the conversation is why do you want a live feed of your kid? So it's so important to have a live stream of your kid when they're in daycare. Daycare is certainly not to. There's plenty of kids who are like you go to daycare for a while, not just the first year of your life, but like, why don't we have? I mean, I could see this soon becoming a conversation of like, when my kid goes to public school, I want a live video feed of their classroom so that I can see and then I want to be able to listen in, because he's got a presentation and I want to listen to his presentation today.
Speaker 4:Kids are. So I mean that kids are so vulnerable as it is, but I think they're extra vulnerable when they're daycare age, um, and there's a certain level of like you want to do everything in your power to to protect. You know your child.
Speaker 4:That it's hard to really kind of wrap your head around that unless you're a parent, and I'm not just saying that to like be like elitist or like you know, like you don't understand, that's not what I'm trying to say, it's just I I totally get it like I would be interested hearing your perspective on this, like in like two years, yeah, when you, when you do have a kid and like seeing if anything has changed at all. Yeah, you know, it might not, maybe you feel the? Same way, but I I think 100, it will change because there's just like a again.
Speaker 1:I can right now weigh the pros and cons, but at the end of the day, when it's my kid, I just want the pros you know, I don't really like you can justify the cons, whatever.
Speaker 1:But imagine this like all the like let's say you're high school or whatever, like there's live feed of everything and it's all recorded and posted online and you go and you do a presentation and you have a viral moment of you saying something stupid or you get nervous or whatever. Well, now you've got this online history now and it's attached to you forever.
Speaker 2:It's not like a record, it's like a school shooting to be recorded.
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 1:That would be, but we're, I mean, we're just even thinking this is just. I feel like this is coming like in terms of just everything being recorded it's winter, it's winter is coming, but like in 20 years. What do you? What do you think? Like not in 20, like in two generations, so like 60 years. Where, where is uh, where do you think we're at in terms of monitoring our kids? I feel like, I feel like I don't even know.
Speaker 1:I do think probably more biometrics and then maybe something with like I don't know, because Everything that you do, your activity, the internet is no longer anonymous. Everything is logged with a code that you have like an identifier. And so then you have to review and log your history, and your parents have access, until you turn 18, to that full history.
Speaker 2:I think they already do that. They have something like that. Like for, you have your kid browsing mode and you can like look at everything they've browsed.
Speaker 1:So I think, just I don't know where we're trending, I don't know. I think it's just more and more surveillance, yeah.
Speaker 4:I think it's less to do with the tools and just more being a parent. You know you're going to want to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you want more vectors to raise your kid.
Speaker 4:I'd rather have the tools than not have them. Exactly so the more security features they give me, the better.
Speaker 1:Or, like Daniel said, see how he's getting along. Maybe you notice, I guarantee you, this is an idea in the back of people's heads Like, oh, maybe I noticed that they're having these micro seizures and I can go and get them help, or whatever, like, guarantee you, those are the kinds of thoughts that people are having as they think about this stuff. They're they're just going to want more of that data, data, data, data. Again, it's like data driven species. I feel like this is what we're uh.
Speaker 4:I think there's been a real shift in mindsets, though I don't think it has. Parents didn't care less back then, they just cared differently.
Speaker 2:And they didn't know about the technology being able to do that.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They couldn't even think of it. Most people Also. Maybe there's this is going to sound weird, maybe there's less to care about now, and the idea, the examples we all gave, was like everybody was broke as fuck. Right now you would fly your kid to san francisco. You wouldn't even think twice. Hell, it probably cost as much as a bus ticket. Yeah, I wouldn't even know. You don't have a homeless nine-year-old at least. I don't hear about that ever like that does not happen the moment some officer saw him on the street.
Speaker 1:He's getting picked up and something is going to that's.
Speaker 4:The difference is like, yes, the kid could get homeless and they could, it could happen, and then they would go to like an orphanage or something eventually, but like this was like my grandpa was homeless for like years. People sold their kids. Yeah, like people sold their kids. Yeah, like People sold their kids. He joined like a moonshining gang to survive. He was a runner, he was driving, he was transporting alcohol.
Speaker 1:So back then, the biggest concern in your life was am I going to die from starvation Because I can't afford to eat? Now your concern is I'm really worried about my kid at 10 am. What are they doing right now? And that's again, in my opinion, a very good thing. Objectively true, the world has gotten better year after year after year. So maybe not COVID year.
Speaker 4:That went downhill pretty fast for a while there that was a, that was a revert. A little quick reset I think ultimately, despite everything, the world is better now than it was. Um, but I do think that with anything there's a lot of bad that comes with good, and it's just you know, being aware and knowledgeable, and how to combat that or avoid it. But to your point, you know if I mean, the things that our parents and grandparents went through just wouldn't happen.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and maybe it's better in our culture. You know like and there's a chance I want to be careful about how I say this because this kind of stuff around the world and even in parts of pockets of the us does happen, but it's just overall, I think, better than it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah and and I think to your point, it might be better because those things exist, because there is a live stream. So the person there that might have an obtrusive thought, they never do it in the first place because they know they're on camera.
Speaker 4:Yeah, this kid's crying. Let me slap him until he falls asleep.
Speaker 1:I can't because I don't know who's watching. Yeah, that might literally be a fix for that, and in that case, win.
Speaker 2:You know, Great.
Speaker 1:But yeah, All right. Well, Dylan, where can people find us?
Speaker 2:Well, they can find us on YouTube, Instagram, Spotify. That was such a good nerd talk, I know. Yeah, that was a great Dune discussion. Katie ratio is your place for all things nerd.
Speaker 4:And family, and family To be fair.
Speaker 1:the title of this stream is this is the greatest stream of all streams Of all streams.
Speaker 4:Wow, we did not hit that mark.
Speaker 1:I think we did. We broke some barriers. Yeah, skateboarding Glass ceiling shattered.
Speaker 4:Yes, three white guys broke the glass ceiling, three straight white males.
Speaker 1:I put on a wig. Oh my god. So after you put, on the wig.
Speaker 2:What were you? What would be my if I had an alter ego? What would her name be? What? What was the? What's the batman quote? It's put on the wig, put on the mask. What are you? I forget what it is.
Speaker 4:Wilma Wilma I looked like a Wilma Wilma's had better days guys, wilma's completely bald With just long, just long, like receding hair. She's had better days, guys.
Speaker 1:Cigarettes don't hit like they used to. Still carries herself well Just long like receding hair she's had better days, guys.
Speaker 4:Cigarettes don't hit like they used to.
Speaker 1:Still carries herself well, all right, patty, and with that was it good Katie, oh, I didn't even say, I didn't even I cut you off, cut me off, keep going.
Speaker 2:You can find us on YouTube, instagram, spotify under Katie Ratio Podcast, where we post videos, streams, shorts, whatever. Come join us Tuesdays at 7pm Pacific Time.
Speaker 4:We're working on getting a gaming day too, because that's fun.
Speaker 2:Yes, if you checked out the stream last week, go give it a like. Leave a comment Do a little crazy.
Speaker 1:With a good kitty, you get the dub.
Speaker 2:Bye guys.