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Ever found yourself caught between the raucous joy of gaming and the sobering reality of life's career maze? That's where we take you in our latest episode, as we kick back with tales of Elden Ring shenanigans, ponder the enigma of AI, and share candid insights on the job market's harsh truths. From discussing a fist-only game challenge that defies belief to debating the potential of AI to reshape education and content creation, we're mixing the absurd with the acute in a conversation that spans the spectrum of modern digital life.
Gaming might be our springboard, but it's the deep dive into the implications of AI that will have you rethinking the way we approach learning and career development. As we weave through the server struggles of the latest gaming hits, we also speculate on possible Elden Ring DLCs and reminisce about Bloodborne's dark narrative. MCU fans, we haven't forgotten you – there's a hearty debate on the humor-stricken path of "Thor: Ragnarok" and its place within the grand tapestry of Marvel's cinematic universe.
You'll leave this episode with laughter still echoing from our college day reminiscences, yet equipped with a fresh perspective on how AI might just be the next tool to sharpen your career edge. Plus, we don't shy away from the inspiration found in the stories of icons like Arnold Schwarzenegger, whose tenacity knows no bounds. So come for the games, stay for the life lessons, and join us as we unpack a world where the digital, the educational, and the deeply human all intertwine.
If you enjoy our episode's content, come check us out on twitter @KDratiopodcast, YouTube as The KD Ratio Podcast! or on Instagram KDratiopodcast
We pulled this episode directly from our livestream over on YouTube m. Come check us out!
The following description was written by A.I.
Ever found yourself caught between the raucous joy of gaming and the sobering reality of life's career maze? That's where we take you in our latest episode, as we kick back with tales of Elden Ring shenanigans, ponder the enigma of AI, and share candid insights on the job market's harsh truths. From discussing a fist-only game challenge that defies belief to debating the potential of AI to reshape education and content creation, we're mixing the absurd with the acute in a conversation that spans the spectrum of modern digital life.
Gaming might be our springboard, but it's the deep dive into the implications of AI that will have you rethinking the way we approach learning and career development. As we weave through the server struggles of the latest gaming hits, we also speculate on possible Elden Ring DLCs and reminisce about Bloodborne's dark narrative. MCU fans, we haven't forgotten you – there's a hearty debate on the humor-stricken path of "Thor: Ragnarok" and its place within the grand tapestry of Marvel's cinematic universe.
You'll leave this episode with laughter still echoing from our college day reminiscences, yet equipped with a fresh perspective on how AI might just be the next tool to sharpen your career edge. Plus, we don't shy away from the inspiration found in the stories of icons like Arnold Schwarzenegger, whose tenacity knows no bounds. So come for the games, stay for the life lessons, and join us as we unpack a world where the digital, the educational, and the deeply human all intertwine.
If you enjoy our episode's content, come check us out on twitter @KDratiopodcast, YouTube as The KD Ratio Podcast! or on Instagram KDratiopodcast
We are live, gentlemen, we have survived.
Speaker 2:Really, really wish I wouldn't have been clearing my throat.
Speaker 3:It's a city.
Speaker 1:And we're alive. Is that a world record? Interrupt from Kyle. All right there.
Speaker 3:It was a speed run.
Speaker 1:That was an absolute best.
Speaker 2:The world record right there.
Speaker 1:Holy shit, gentlemen, we're live. We celebrated this weekend. We got hammered, we survived, we are feeling good, we have recovered. We are not young anymore. Let's put it that way, it took me. I'm glad we stopped drinking at 6, 37 PM or whatever it was, because I needed all that time to the next morning.
Speaker 2:Well, when you start at 11,.
Speaker 1:That's the strategy. Yeah, if you're going to have a day like that. The strategy is starting.
Speaker 2:I felt fine by the time I went home, but I stopped probably about an hour before you guys stopped and who knows how many more shots.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know how many.
Speaker 2:you got in that hour, but Dylan, well, you went to bed. You said it was the most abrupt. All right Head to bed boys. Then he really didn't see him again I never. And then Dylan took about an hour and a half nap on the couch and I cleaned up the kitchen, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm a nice guy like that, definitely a nice guy. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2:It was a fun time though. Yeah, we played Elden.
Speaker 1:Ring we did. We did. Drunken ring we did. True to the sport of every time someone died and it got a little crazy and we did not get far at all, but we did get to experience some of the best parts of the game. We got some grave, we got fairly far. Two great room bosses yeah, what would you put? That's like 20% through the game, right, that's not.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's not that far for being honest. Like yeah, because of how long the game actually is, like I, if you're a newbie and you think wow to, I'm making progress when you put it into context, they could. The game can be very long.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean to our credit, though we were doing it level one fists only, and so we were, I used a horror loose stomp only. Have you seen the? Have you seen the guy that's going through the game right now? Currently that's doing a level one? Wretch fist only play through. Oh my God, it's insane. I'm pretty sure fire giant took him like 10 and a half hours.
Speaker 2:Oh, that doesn't even sound fun.
Speaker 3:Cause you can't pause.
Speaker 1:So what do you do? You can pause if, like, you read an item description or something like that.
Speaker 2:So I don't know if you can do that Like, but yeah, no, there's no way that would work in a boss fight. They would just pummel you.
Speaker 1:I know there's like if you read an item description, I'm pretty sure it does pause the game, really, yeah, but I, I don't know, maybe it doesn't pause. I think it does pause the game. Like I don't know how that works with multiplayer.
Speaker 3:If you can't even just read the description, then but yeah, like if somebody comes in as an invader, is it just all of a sudden? They're frozen until you stop reading the description.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. Well, it's like the same thing. You can't open your map when you're in combat. Maybe you can't click on it, or something.
Speaker 1:Oh, good point. Well, you can definitely click on items you could definitely click on items you have to like read the description, though, and it will, for whatever reason, actually just be a pause, interruption on the game.
Speaker 2:Really I need some confirmation. I'm going to try that tonight.
Speaker 1:Go ahead.
Speaker 2:I don't believe it.
Speaker 1:I think it's the only way that these guys can get a mental break after fucking 10 hours. It's crazy, that doesn't even sound fun. No dude. No not fire giant.
Speaker 2:Like, imagine, feeling like you need to be that perfect for that long and not make any mistakes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because if he gets hit, once done.
Speaker 2:There's no way you can 10 hours down the drain. There's no way you could take a hit at level one, soul level one.
Speaker 1:With probably no armor for Max. You know region.
Speaker 2:I highly doubt you could take a hit from fire giant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and even if yeah, you're right Very impressive, very impressive, but nothing I would ever try so many check-backs as mental health.
Speaker 3:Nothing I would ever try and do.
Speaker 1:Doesn't seem worth it to me, but we do have a long list of stuff that we do want to talk about. Yes we do. Let's talk about a game that we all have been playing here recently Hell Divers 2.
Speaker 3:Me I played it the most out of all of us. Billy played it a little bit and Kyle got to play a few games and I played four hours but 20 minutes of actual games.
Speaker 1:And I've watched. I've played it, I don't know. Probably I've gone back three different times now and I've also watched it while I worked the last couple days. So it's a fun game.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's fun, I mean. The main issue that if I had to bring up one is just they didn't expect it to be this popular, so you can't join. Right now peak hours, weekend you can't join a game. It's like you're waiting in a queue.
Speaker 2:Unless you're a super citizen.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then you don't get the XP and the currency you earn Doesn't apply until you log out. Log back in. It's kind of weird. I don't know if they fixed that over the past weekend, but this past weekend when we tried to play we were not, sadly able to.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure that is the thing. Though, if you do the super citizen thing, do they prioritize you getting in? Because my brother-in-law bought it and I was bitching him when I saw him this weekend about all the server issues that I want to play, but I have been struggling to get into play. He's like, oh, I haven't had any issues, oh my gosh, it's like OK, yep, weird, there it is and he got the full fatty.
Speaker 2:I wonder if there's some data on that.
Speaker 1:I don't know if there's any grumblings online. I mean it would make sense you would want to support the people.
Speaker 2:that pay more. I fear you're already supporting them by giving them a few extra things like in-game and stuff.
Speaker 1:No, I get it. It's probably wrong, definitely For context the super citizen.
Speaker 2:it's not a full prize game, so the super citizen edition is the equivalent of a full prize game if you buy that version.
Speaker 3:But yeah, it's a fun while Kyle looks at it. It's a fun game. I played quite a bit of it and just the whole concept of it I really enjoy of. You have these multiple planets and it's like an instance you go in and there's a mission. It's real simple and you're given a lot of time and, depending on what type of mission, you kind of approach the mission basically. But the potential that I see for it is so cool. They can now create anything basically in that universe, like they could have you go to any planet. They have multiple and they have you try and win it from these enemy factions and it goes back and forth and I just really liked it. They could introduce a completely new enemy type fairly easily yeah, oh, dude, easily.
Speaker 1:They already have robots, AI, they have aliens, which they could literally do whatever they want with that right there. I love the world dynamic of it, where I feel like it makes you feel like you are a part of a larger group. When you dive into a world, you see stratagems going off in the far, far distance, which I thought was really cool because it made it seem like, OK, there's multiple people on this planet doing missions right now and there was world bonuses Like, hey, the AI have gathered resources and are pushing on this sector or whatever. Make sure we go over there and you can see the world's progress in terms of liberating or capturing these planets and getting those up and you can participate in that and have some fun. And in the gameplay loop in my opinion, very satisfying you get that little bit of exploration. It's not all gas, no break.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of downtime in those missions of exploring and finding different stuff, especially the open world ones, because there are the ones like the scientist one and the destroy all enemies. Those ones are more confined, like short missions, versus the ones me and Billy were able to do. You get placed on this pretty much open world and you have a set mission, but then there's optional objectives, there's outposts, and you try and get as much done as you can within 30, 40 minutes, I think it's usually 40 minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I like so far. I like the progression. I feel like I've been able to unlock some cool new stratagems without having to play too much.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like, as I'm figuring out, I have enough upgrade materials to unlock some stuff that I want to try out, and they sprinkle the world with those stratagems we were playing.
Speaker 3:I was able to find the jump pack just naturally. As you explore, you found that crappy electric gun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the arc lightning or whatever. Yeah, terrible, but the world feels fun to explore and it just seems like a lot of fun. I don't know how it's replayability solo. I think they need to implement a lot of quality of life items there to find a group.
Speaker 3:Solo, I had no problems with the matchmaking. Ok, me and Billy, when we were playing before you hopped on Kyle, we found a workaround for the matchmaking. What it does right now is, when you join a session, it'll kick the other person out so that you join it, and then, as long as there's an open spot, they can then join you. So it's something to yeah. So if I'm the party, leader.
Speaker 1:With Dylan we join, he will actually join and I'll get kicked back out. I'll disconnect. But then I can join on him to get synced up. That's how it worked, at least in ours, yeah. Well, I did a little digging this is no divers too. Victory.
Speaker 2:It doesn't look. It seems pretty inconclusive. On server priority, there's people that are saying, no matter what version. Some people are thinking pre-orders did it, but now people that are pre-ordering can't get in either. But actually the most common thing because Arrowhead I think that's a developer they said specifically there is no server priority. But people online are starting to think that maybe if you have a PS5, you're getting in quicker than a finger on PC.
Speaker 1:Oh, interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Could be. Could be, that is really supported by a lot of evidence and our evidence too, because you were able to get in, I was able to get in right quick PS5 too right.
Speaker 2:But then there's some people saying that Super Sentent that had no effect. This still takes some hours to get in. So I don't know, it's just luck of the draw that night.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you've restarted a couple times we're able to launch.
Speaker 2:I would get in literally within 30 seconds. When I did it that night, I don't know what that was about.
Speaker 1:So there's definitely some quality of life. That server capacity, I think, is their biggest uphill battle, but that's something that'll normalize very quickly as the player base just normalizes. There's a lot of hype behind this game right now, but they should address it as soon as possible Because they want as many people playing the game and exposed to it. I also feel like they could do some. There can be some work in the movement of the game. I don't like that. I'm limited to run like sprint and dive.
Speaker 2:I would love a jump mechanic.
Speaker 3:Well yeah, it's weird. The only way you can jump Kyle is if you have that jump pack. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I wish that you could just jump normally.
Speaker 1:It definitely feels weird in a game to not have like a, because it has a Z axis. You can mantle on stuff and climb up objects. So it just seems weird that that's not like a basic feature, but they kind of like meme it in the game. It's like well, how do you survive this? You dive, dive and then dive again, and then dive again, and then dive again.
Speaker 1:They're like very self-aware of their game and it's like they set out to create a very specific game with a very specific gameplay loop and have fun with it, and they accomplish that, and I think it's awesome that they're getting the recognition that they deserve, because it's a fun game. Yeah, so I think they can implement on that stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I really want us to actually play it together once the servers or like once all those issues go away, because we truly didn't. We got to play very little together and I felt like if we dive more into it, help dive more into it. No, I think we can have fun.
Speaker 1:The game is like we were all talking about it, like the servers were an issue. Obviously I had no crashing issues. It ran very stable. I'm trying to think. I didn't have, yeah, I didn't crash, just single time I had an FPS bug once.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that's right. And then you backed us out in the middle of like we were tracking and we lost our server queue and we were just you ruined my night.
Speaker 2:I went to bed angry because of you.
Speaker 3:You did, I think.
Speaker 1:So it runs really well. The game launches very fast, and then you were talking about that kind of like. It just seems like you can get in and evolve very, very quickly.
Speaker 2:All Sony titles.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can boot like extremely fast, true, I don't know what it is, but they compared when we were trying to play the finals, how long it took for us to join the match versus Hell Divers. We were like in the game when the servers were not busy.
Speaker 2:But the service is what bogs it down.
Speaker 3:But when?
Speaker 2:it's working the way it's supposed to work. It's extremely quick. I went from not having loaded at all and in the game within like 15 seconds. Yeah, it was really fast, and this is on PS5, for context.
Speaker 1:And I feel like the upgrade, like I like the stuff that you can build towards and I like that you earn. It's kind of interesting because I don't know if I generally like this Often, but there's like four or five different currencies that you collect by doing these missions. Right, you get like the you know the stuff to upgrade your ship, the stuff to upgrade your armors, the stuff to upgrade like just buy stuff in the shop, and then you get like the currency to then upgrade like your stratogens and stuff. Like there's a huge. Each of those are like your own currency. And I'm sure you probably run into barriers at the end where it's like, oh man, I've got to grind this specific thing out to get over that hill. But right now, at least in the early game, it's kind of nice that I can spend my resources to get a couple new things in this category, spend a couple new things in this category.
Speaker 1:Yeah like it right now feels really good to kind of progress all of those things and not have to choose. Well, I want this for my ship, but I want this for my guy too. So I'm going to prioritize, like I feel, like I'm kind of across the board advancing. And it feels really. It feels really good right now. It's fun, I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 2:There's. I don't think I played it long enough to really get grabbed, you know, but so far I haven't like experienced anything in that game. That's where it's made me be like wow, no wonder people love this Like, and I think it might the fact that we're having all these service use and all these bugs. That was warping my opinion on what the game really like actually is. I do remember thinking like it was a lot of fun, but I'll like mainly like for like memes, yeah yeah, you know like have you ever played an extraction?
Speaker 3:game yeah.
Speaker 2:So, I don't have anything like I think I would have to reserve judgment and if I'm able to get in and actually put in like a good like 10 hours at least, yeah, before I feel. That's why I hope we can play together again.
Speaker 3:But like I also, I don't like the ship, I don't like the hub.
Speaker 2:I don't like, like it just feels barren and plain and like I want romance options. Where's the R? Yeah, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know, I don't know Where's the R.
Speaker 3:Where's Tali?
Speaker 1:But see, that's what like to me is someone who only cares about the gameplay. Like it's it shows that all their effort for development went into the gameplay. Like just the diversity of worlds that you and I experienced. What I experienced, what I've seen online, Like it's amazing the different landscapes to different enemy types, the different Different missions, different mission types of like what you're looking, what you're trying to collect, the pacing of it all, and I and I'm obviously joking- about the romance options.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I do think that there's a way to have a pretty basic hub world, but it's still be somewhat like feeling more like a community Like Destiny. You know their hub.
Speaker 3:I wonder if they'll aim for that soon, something like that. It's like have a hub world and then you can fly your ship out on a mission and then, when you're getting ready for the mission, that like. Destiny. Exactly, you know you have the hub world and then when you go for the mission, you're in space.
Speaker 2:Which I get, that that kind of thing is totally, I guess, not important To a lot of players, but for me it just did like I don't know. It's like helps with immersion. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could see that, especially like coming from like your mindset of the games that you like to play.
Speaker 2:I think, I think they could, I think they could easily bolster out like up cooler ship or I would like if you can park your ship at the the Hell Divers Academy and you could see other people playing in the little Like a like a little online hub, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then there's like I would like that, that would be kind of cool.
Speaker 2:And there's NPCs that are like that run shops and trade and trade and That'd be kind of neat, I guess very similar to like what Destiny?
Speaker 1:is the town like they have like a training grounds that just like is throwing swaths of enemies at you and you can try out all the different stratagems?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that'd be kind of cool if they patched that in at some point. I think that would help with immersion for me. For my sake, I feel like I need something like that, because I feel so unimportant to the world when, like, I'm just on a ship by myself with a few people that are just kind of standing there saying the same thing over and over again, and then you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean you, I guess you are. You're not like the general or whatever, like you are just the a Hell Diver they make it very clear to you that, like you're, very expendable. Yes.
Speaker 2:In the very beginning, Like and I'm like, well, if these people are so expendable, why do they give them a whole ass shit when they graduate the most basic boot camps?
Speaker 1:I will say, though, that it was one of the more fun tutorials I've ever played in a game Like I actually was laughing and enjoying doing it.
Speaker 2:It was funny, it was well written and it taught you enough to know like kind of what the gameplay is Not so much like the mission. We laugh because we went through the boot camp. And then he's like I've never seen such skill, like he talks you up the whole time.
Speaker 1:And then the first thing you do is mantle over and he's like I've never seen such acrobatic ability. It's like what?
Speaker 2:And then and then we graduated our boot camp, we joined up and we got our asses handed to us on the very first thing we did. It was just obliteration. There was no, there was no chill and I was like this is the worst prep I ever had to face this Like there's no wonder they're so expendable, All these hell divers diving, diving in and dying within their five seconds.
Speaker 3:They're frozen. They wake up, get shot down and die.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1:It's their life Sick.
Speaker 2:Love it.
Speaker 1:Sick. If so, moving on from hell divers to yes to some fun game, check it out Elden Ring DLC tomorrow at 6 30.
Speaker 3:The trailer.
Speaker 1:The trailer the announcement to the announcement. This guy said speculation thoughts.
Speaker 3:Is it going to be what when we played through Elden Ring here? The opening cinematic is completely just pictures. They do a slow scroll over the pictures. I wonder the trailer just going to be pictures?
Speaker 1:Just all like thematic art. Just set the world.
Speaker 3:Or are we actually going to get gameplay?
Speaker 1:We are going to get gameplay we might Like. Not what we might get is like an MP, like a character just kind of running and it's like panning around, but I highly doubt On. Torn. We might see, like some of the boss animations, like you know, like attacking.
Speaker 2:If it's anything like the first trailer for Elden Ring, it's going to be totally minuscule, yeah, and not understand anything.
Speaker 3:Because the first one was the millennia versus. Apparently it's three minutes, the very first trailer.
Speaker 2:No, the very first trailer was literally just like a narration over the ring, like and there's epic music playing, that's right. And that was like it. There was no footage of anything as it was being and it was like. And you'd hear the ting and in the first show you think that he's building it, but actually I think that was like him shattering it.
Speaker 2:But they don't. You don't know anything, so it's very possible that they do something like that. They've never done that. Usually, by the time they come out their DLCs from software, their first trailers are pretty fleshed out. There's not a whole lot of teasing going on, it's just like. This is kind of what it is the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, they've always done very, very well with their, with their DLCs. It's usually the same thing, almost like every time it's you find a certain object in the game world and then you like absorb the memory of that object and go back in time, and so I imagine it's going to be something similar to that, and Micola is going to have some some kind of probably his hand.
Speaker 2:You walk up to his hand, he probably go up to his hand, the one after you beat Moog, and you touch his hand and you go into his memory or something Dreams, or something.
Speaker 1:That's pretty late in the game, though, do they? How have they done their deal?
Speaker 2:They've always been sectioned off after fairly late.
Speaker 1:Oh OK.
Speaker 2:They want you to play the game first.
Speaker 1:Yeah. They want you to just jump in and try and beat the DLC or get stuck doing the DLC. I mean, if you didn't know, like if I went back to play like Dark Souls you know two or three or one after all these years and didn't really remember them? Could I easily walk into a DLC and not really know it? Or is it pretty obvious? Like you jump to a whole new theme.
Speaker 2:It's usually fairly difficult to do it because you need like a certain object with a key or like you need like something that'll allow you to get, Like, for instance, in Dark Souls 2, like the crown DLCs there's three of them you had to like you would find like a certain object that allowed that was a key to an entrance to a secret area. Like the one DLC was locked behind the rotten.
Speaker 1:Do players have to find this yeah, or do they announce it?
Speaker 2:They usually say you'll, they'll be like. This object unlocks your path and you got to fucking find it in the world. It's not just like they hand it to you.
Speaker 1:And there's probably 10,000 nerds out there going. What's the name of the object?
Speaker 3:I know exactly where that's at.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be dropped by this enemy at night time.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about it. I guarantee you it'll be found within the first couple hours of being out. But yeah, usually they don't just give you the object, unless you're buying. Like a couple years from now they're probably going to launch like the complete edition of Elden Ring and then your character will just have it in its inventory to start, because that's usually what they've done with the other ones in the past.
Speaker 1:And then, what about timelines do you guys think of? So it's gonna the trailers dropping now.
Speaker 2:It would be it's before the shattering, probably because Mikaela still looks young and healthy. Mikaela also exists as man and woman at the same time and go back and forth because we were looking at the family tree, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And isn't Mikaela the god of dreams?
Speaker 1:Mikaela is like a child, though, isn't it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, kind of.
Speaker 1:Like he, like a young. I thought he was like a young child.
Speaker 3:Let's ask Fadi Vidya. Let's give him a.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna say whatever we see in this trailer, we are going to get a half hour long Nicholas. Fadi, going through like, frame by frame, word by word, what this means is. It could be this we will venture into these areas.
Speaker 2:He's one of the Imperiums, so he's not a child.
Speaker 1:He's cursed to be forever young, so he could be like a thousand years old and still look like a kid, and Mikaela's millennia's brother right, and he's the better swordsman.
Speaker 2:No millennia's better.
Speaker 3:He was always trying to find a cure for millennia.
Speaker 2:Millennia was like born, rotting pretty much in some of the clothes. Trying to help her.
Speaker 3:Let's see he somewhere. I thought he's the god of dreams or he has to do with dreams.
Speaker 1:Well, that's kind of perfect for a DLC that touches hand and all of a sudden you get thrown into a. What do you think? Where do you think it's going to take place? In the ocean area, like everyone is aligning the shadow of the archery. Where is that?
Speaker 2:It's in the shadow.
Speaker 1:It's behind our tree.
Speaker 2:It's in the shadow.
Speaker 1:So after Eldenbeast you have to like go past the ring, the shadow, sir.
Speaker 2:Gideon Offnir said that Micola is alive Because he has been quoted as not dead but slumbering, and Gideon Offnir confirmed that. So he's not actually dead in that egg and Moga just has him trapped. Why didn't we shank him?
Speaker 3:I don't know he's not evil. Yeah, he didn't do anything to us.
Speaker 2:So he never. Mogue wanted him to ascend to Godhood and he never was successful at it. Because Mogue wanted him to be a god, because as an Imperian I guess you can, that is something you can do. You can ascend to Godhood and Mogue wanted to be his consort, but it didn't work out Mogue's weird man Mogue's a freak.
Speaker 1:I love that boss fight, though.
Speaker 2:So much so. Micola's true ability appears to be the ability to compel affection from others, so maybe that's why he can appear it as like any gender, or in like, he has the ability to make anyone affectionate towards him. It's kind of weird, though he's a little kid. Yeah, I don't know, it's weird. It'll be interesting to see what they do. Do you think it'll take place before the Shattering? Ormicola, it was sometime after the Shattering that he ended up getting captured by Mogue, so there's a lot of room to play.
Speaker 3:There there's a lot of time they could do play with, I think.
Speaker 2:What if you play as Micola and he plays as a kid have?
Speaker 1:they ever done that, where you play? No, you've only ever played as Whatever character you're in.
Speaker 2:I do think they have made it so, where certain people that you thought was going to be a bad guy was not a bad guy in the DLC and ended up helping you and stuff. One of the best examples of kind of twisting the narrative on its head and you're like, oh shit was in Bloodborne. They all. Throughout the game they talked about the great hero. Oh my god, what is his name? Roderick? No, not, he's the horse guy, radon.
Speaker 3:Oh, shoot with the Moon's great sword.
Speaker 2:Ludwig. So Ludwig was talked about. He was the greatest of the hunters and he was talked about as like this is like this legend, and they build them up and there's a weapon like Ludwig's Holy Blade, and you can grab it and it's like one of the best weapons in the game. And then, when you do the DLC, you finally find out what happened to Ludwig and he fucking gets. He's full on beast form, like he completely succumbed to the, the darkness, and he's like half horse and it's like. And when you first see that, you're like, holy shit, like this is the guy and you're like, if this happened to this guy, what hope does my character have? And then you realize maybe I'm just that bad ass. I mean, that's how it always is, so like.
Speaker 2:I'm just that I wouldn't be surprised if Mikula even ends up being some kind of final boss Like.
Speaker 1:I think it's lining up to be that yeah.
Speaker 2:True form Mikula's, like some crazy beast.
Speaker 3:It's Moog again.
Speaker 2:Moog, again, it's re-skin, no changes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they just stretch the model over.
Speaker 1:We get another like morgue, fight Like oh my god.
Speaker 3:And in the snail fight, foul tautish, it's the snail, does he?
Speaker 1:have any attack at all.
Speaker 2:The snail yeah.
Speaker 1:It's just magic, I think. Oh, it actually does have magic?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so. Cop it, oh my god, bloodborne. That was such a good moment, though, too, because he's completely Ludwig, is like full beast form, and then, like he sees the his like old blade, the one that he used to use when he was a hunter, and he like picks it up and like he like stands up and he remembers who he is, and then, like he knows, he's like completely gone, so like he basically is like asking for an honorable death and you have to kill him, but he holds the blade in front of him and he can like he's cutting off the horse part and you can only see the human part, and it's like holy shit. It's such an epic moment, jesus.
Speaker 3:And the soundtrack in that part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so good Bloodborne was, I wish that game would get a sequel Now. Now I mean, don't get me wrong Elden Ring, if I'm being honest with myself, it's still the best one that FromSelf.
Speaker 3:War did.
Speaker 2:But Bloodborne was. It was certainly a special game for me.
Speaker 3:Did Bloodborne have an open ending?
Speaker 2:There were um. Open for a sequel Did it feel like, yeah, so there's. Basically there was like three endings. There was the ending where you realize that you're kind of trapped in the dream and Gherman says you fought, well, I can release you, and he kills you, thus waking you up from the dream nightmare. And then there's an ending where you fight Gherman and you become the new, like Dream Master.
Speaker 2:Dream, master of the hunters or whatever. And then there was an ending where, if you eat all the like fetuses or whatever umbilical cords, then you can fight the moon presence, which is like who's dreaming the dream and you can end the dream for good. And that's like the quote-unquote, the best ending, because the one ending which is like the easy ending, because you don't have to fight any end bosses, the dream still continues, you're just not there anymore. The second one is like the evil ending, because you become Lord of the Dream, and the third one is like putting an end to it once and for all. Um, so, yes and no, like it could go on, but if you did, like the third ending, it's like over.
Speaker 3:Well, because, um, what I was thinking is like Sekiro out of my knowledge, that's the one, uh, souls game or from software game where there was like it all. It felt pretty hinted at that. They're like we might work on another game and tease this whole, um, how the child, the prince or whatever has to go to this other land and like you know, sekiro's, like I'll go with you and it's like damn Alright, and then then Elden Ring came out, and that's it.
Speaker 1:That was that. That was that Elden Ring is their new property.
Speaker 2:We're gonna be doing that for a long time. Every time you say hinting at like a sequel, my mind always goes to the end of Batman Begins where he's like uh, he's like talking. He's like talking about escalation. He's like take this guy, for instance. He's a bit of fan of theatrics like you. He's got a calling card and it shows Joker and he's like, oh, look into it. That is like the that is the like biggest T-up for a sequel. Like, perfectly done.
Speaker 1:You know exactly what's coming. You know yeah.
Speaker 2:Little did we know that we're gonna get like the best Batman movie ever after that, but just go back and watch that Nickelback trailer.
Speaker 3:I can't believe that's real.
Speaker 2:It's so random.
Speaker 3:There's a for the viewers. There's a Nickelback Batman Begins trailer that's real and which song, is it Uh?
Speaker 2:look at this photo.
Speaker 3:No, look at this photograph, damn it.
Speaker 2:Nickelback did the Spider-Man song too. I mean the Nickelback's good. The hero before us not gonna stand in his way is that the same one maybe? I don't think that one is in the Batman. That would be bad.
Speaker 1:He's just very like very low effort, like they bought the rights to it they're like, we gotta use it. You guys forget how like popular Nickelback was. You know what I mean. They were huge. That's, and I think they're memed on because of how popular they were they really honestly, if we're being real, here, Nickelback is not that bad Someday.
Speaker 2:Someday. No, that's the name of the we all just want to be big rock stars. I'm Batman.
Speaker 3:I so see this, oh shit.
Speaker 1:But timeline as to when you guys think this game is gonna come out now. So they're dropping the trailer tomorrow, I think 30 tomorrow morning. We'll see.
Speaker 2:I'd be incredibly happy if they were like coming out in one month, but next, if it's anything like now if it's anything like their announcements in the past, I think that will probably be lucky to get it by holiday season.
Speaker 1:And how much do you think it's gonna be priced? At 30 bucks 20.
Speaker 2:I'd say 20 probably. That's pretty standard, I think, for the level of DLC they're making you think find it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you think like how do you think how big is this DLC gonna be? You think I?
Speaker 2:don't know if it's anything like their biggest game. Yeah, if it's anything like their past trends, you usually can get a lot of. I mean, you can get like 10 hours of story and like 20 hours for completionist. But Elden Ring is their biggest game. It's also their most profitable project they've ever done. I wouldn't be surprised if they like drop the full on 20 hour campaign for this.
Speaker 3:It's the someday somehow, that's that one.
Speaker 2:That's what he said that's like not even a good choice for Batman. Begins. That's so random. Keep in mind this was pre Christopher Nolan, you know, like he was still relatively unknown at this time he was just all the direction.
Speaker 1:some executive producer like don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2:He put his heart and soul into those Batman movies. But he also said he only took that contract so he can make enough money to make inception. That was he said that.
Speaker 1:What is he fucking personally funding these? Yeah, that's his studio.
Speaker 3:Well, that's, that's like Danny Villanueva, yeah.
Speaker 1:He personally funded those films. He didn't know.
Speaker 2:He got it funded by in partnership with Warner Bros, but you need a certain amount like you make money as well as a certain amount of capital.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he made like a skill in the game.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so he agreed to make Batman so that he can make inception. And then he, because he's such a, he's so dedicated to his craft. He put his heart and soul into the Batman series. But he only did it so he can make inception.
Speaker 3:Um Danny Villanueva he only did. He only did Blade Runner 2049, so he could do Dune.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Same. Thing. And that's WB as well.
Speaker 1:So maybe it's WB is like give us one of these projects and maybe yeah, this is a guarantee like can't miss project, you do that and then we'll fund your next one, which is funny because Blade Runner flopped hard.
Speaker 2:I love that movie.
Speaker 3:And I love that movie, I think it was bad it wasn't bad at all.
Speaker 2:In fact, the critics loved it. It just didn't make money With Ryan Gosling, yeah.
Speaker 1:I just think at the time it probably came out, I think people were just so done with like remakes. Like sequel you know, like I know, I just I think the cyberpunk genre.
Speaker 2:It's bigger now because of the game, but I think cyberpunk as a genre was always kind of niche anyways. Yeah, so hard to say, but how do we have enough on that table?
Speaker 1:So one you'd be excited for one month. You'd be excited for one month out that the Elden Ring drops realistically, I'm thinking November, november, this year. What are your thoughts? I'm thinking it's going to be playable now.
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Speaker 1:I have done every fucking quest in that game Every single one. What's the secret? One? You know, Well do you know the?
Speaker 2:secret. Do you know the secret quest? I don't know the way, it's the one where you fight the actual ergery and grows legs.
Speaker 1:There is a legitimate like guide on on Reddit that somebody like that the community had put together and it is long, long, long, and I have 100% of it Going back to your question, though I think I would wish for it to be like coming out next month.
Speaker 3:I don't think so.
Speaker 2:I think it might even be like April.
Speaker 3:I'm going to say August.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying my guess is August. We'll see. I'll be pleasantly surprised if you're correct. What's?
Speaker 1:chat think. I think it's going to drop and it's going to be playable. Now they're going to have a whole co-op online experience. They'll have a game pass, that or battle pass that launches with it and they'll have like very balanced PvP and then they'll have like a Fortnite crossover event, I think at launch Sounds good.
Speaker 3:Star.
Speaker 1:Wars.
Speaker 2:There's 100%.
Speaker 1:I think that's like 90%.
Speaker 2:I think it's going to be online PvP only I don't think there's going to be any story.
Speaker 1:The End Boss is a 1v1 match against another player. Yeah, against the current yeah, against the current Elden Lord. In the game you have to 1v1, but you can only play him and you have to queue up because there's a few million other players that want to play. What if they? What if?
Speaker 2:I would be so pissed I would be like that would literally put from Software as my favorite developer, so like my least favorite, in like a matter of one day.
Speaker 1:What if they came out with like a matchmaking system for, like, they came out with a dungeon that was like optional content? It was just like their dungeon, but you walked in and it would matchmake you with other players doing it, and then it was like there was dual mechanics where you had to like go in and clear or whatever and progress through together, and it was made easier.
Speaker 3:That would never happen, but I'm not interested in that At all. I mean, I think that type of game would be very successful, but Well, I would rather them just say okay, let's do co-op the whole game, like, let's just have that be. I'd rather them do that in Elton Ring than here's a specific dungeon.
Speaker 1:Have fun.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's up there, ali, though they don't. They're always like you can only play multiplayer when we want you to and that's true actually. After that goodbye, Say goodbye to your friends.
Speaker 1:What about? What if, tomorrow, like they drop the trailer and it's like 10 cent, now a Er excuse me from Software Now a 10 cent company they take? They've been acquired by like one of the worst, like one of the most cancerous.
Speaker 2:Epic games? Yeah, exactly yeah, just like Amazon game studios.
Speaker 1:Just like the most you know, cause they're making a mobile Like what if that was part of their announcement that they were acquired by?
Speaker 3:some gross. The announcement is of an Amazon TV series. It's nothing to do with the DLC. The old Ring of Power.
Speaker 1:Not Rings of Power Cause, that's already taken.
Speaker 2:Elden Ring of Power Elden.
Speaker 1:Ring of Power with the same cast, written by George R R Martin.
Speaker 2:Who do you think, out of all the From Software protagonists, who do you think is the strongest? Do you think it's the Elden?
Speaker 3:I think Sekiro, he's an actual character, he has dialogue, he actually has. I just have a.
Speaker 1:I feel like I can do some with Vike.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about the protagonist specifically, like the player character.
Speaker 3:I don't think any of the Souls games. That's why I think Sekiro. He's the only one who talks.
Speaker 2:I don't think that he would be able to be lore wise.
Speaker 3:Oh, I thought you're going way different with the question.
Speaker 2:No, I'm asking who do you think would be the most powerful From Software? Protagonist.
Speaker 3:I thought you were saying who could like carry a show.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's what I was thinking. I was like Sekiro, because he's the only one that has 100% Sekiro?
Speaker 3:I don't think Sekiro.
Speaker 1:I feel like the power is the highest in Eldering, especially with the weapon art.
Speaker 2:What you're fighting.
Speaker 3:You're fighting. You're fighting gods Extra terrestrial Elderich beings.
Speaker 2:I think the Elden Lord, the one who's the most varnished, is probably the strongest. I would argue that the Hunter from Bloodborne is You're fighting gods and that going too.
Speaker 3:But how strong is he in real life, outside of the dream?
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 3:How strong is that?
Speaker 2:pistol? We can't gauge that, because the whole game takes place in the Nightmare. Is he like?
Speaker 3:Is he completely like?
Speaker 2:Oh, it's fancy land.
Speaker 3:Atrofeed, atrofeed, thank you.
Speaker 2:Is this like Spy Kids 3D, when you get out of the game and all the kids are what their characters are at all?
Speaker 1:They're Mike as well. You remember the fucking plot for Spy Kids 3D. I do that was a good movie.
Speaker 3:One of my favorite parts.
Speaker 2:I thought it was hilarious when Frodo dies.
Speaker 3:He's like level 999. He literally is like I'm the guy.
Speaker 2:And it's like this big, like holy shit, this is the guy. And then he goes into the final arena and gets blown up, nuked, and his last word is like Oops. And then he just dies. That was one of the funniest, is this?
Speaker 1:when you fight the thumbs.
Speaker 3:That was the first one. The thumbs are on their side in this one.
Speaker 2:It's been probably about 15 years, maybe 20 years, since I've seen.
Speaker 3:Spy Kids Should Spy Adults come out?
Speaker 1:No, god no. Why not, because right when you said that, I'm thinking of Dwayne the Rock Johnson doing just like a terrible cameo.
Speaker 3:Just their regular cast.
Speaker 1:According to oh God, just literally remaking it with the same people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, bring them back as adults. It's a sequel. It's not a remake, because Machete they got Danny Trejo.
Speaker 2:Danny Trejo. According to thegamercom, they ranked it number 7 as the slayer of demons from Demon's Souls. Number 6 would be the Chosen Undead from Dark Souls. Number 5 would be the Ashen One from Dark Souls 3. Number 4 would be Bear of the Curse from Dark Souls. 2. Number 3 would be Sekiro. Wow. Number 2 would be the Hunter. Number 1 is the. Tarnished. I didn't expect Sekiro to be up there that much.
Speaker 3:But I guess he fucking he pairs everything. You got His sword is like death incarnate. He also got to think of the caliber.
Speaker 2:I think they based that decision on the types of bosses you fight.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you fight a god, you fight a dragon, you know.
Speaker 1:Now I want Elden Ring to be out tomorrow. Let's just put that.
Speaker 2:Elden Rings out right now.
Speaker 1:DLC okay you gotta clarify. That's what I want.
Speaker 3:You want it to be like, or at least you know like I was so happy when we were watching that PlayStation showcase and God of War was like, by the way, this free expansion next week, it's like oh what.
Speaker 2:I don't know. That would be awesome if they did that. It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1:I just don't see it happening think of the lamest, most boring, most honest like path. That's the one they're taking they're gonna say it.
Speaker 2:I think that will be like like I said. I think we'll be like we get it by holiday season here.
Speaker 1:I'm hoping I think they probably have one person in marketing in that whole company. No, it's like they just built a brand games exactly oh they do and we love them for it and they're good at it. But there's a part of me that likes to be teased.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, don't we all? Well, you're gonna be tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, I'll be teased tomorrow.
Speaker 2:I hate me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hate being teased, that that's. I'm actually saying the opposite, given I.
Speaker 2:Just need to be, I just need to have it here and now just need to finish.
Speaker 1:What if they came out? What if they came out the DLC? It was a hundred dollars. I would buy it. I'd buy it a hundred dollars.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, I would need to know what it is. It's very pee, only I would not buy it like I, I have a lot of loyalty to from software, but not just blind, dumb loyalty you get one, like I.
Speaker 1:Like I said, you get one, and then I'll even forgive people after one, depending on well you get one for me to be like blind about it like it's like oh, you're making it. It's gonna be a fun game. I'll chat, definitely.
Speaker 2:Oh, you mean so like from softwares earned at least one blind? Yeah, where it's like okay. I'll trust you, and then I'll go and then I'll go, and then they lose, and then it's like, okay, now I'm watching you with an eye. No always. That's how I think that's pretty fair. So I felt probably about aspect about about buyer, where yeah. They had one for me and then they lost it and I luckily didn't pre-order anthem because of it.
Speaker 1:You see what buyer wears up too lately.
Speaker 2:No, I don't really care.
Speaker 1:No, it doesn't sound like anything good from what did you see the recent comments of like their new survival game or whatever?
Speaker 3:New survival game.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure it's a survival game that they're making and it's dragon I thought they were working on dragon. I thought they were two.
Speaker 2:And then mass fact it's arc, but in dragon age universe.
Speaker 1:They were talking about it and he was saying basically they're only gonna charge 40 bucks worth, Okay so sure this is by aware.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty sure is it Obsidian Avowed?
Speaker 1:no, Well, you know our new game. We wanted to talk about Fantastic Four.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Dread will.
Speaker 3:Well, while Kyle looks us up and we'll put a quick pin in it once he finds his answer. Fantastic four we were right. That leak was correct. Pedro Pascal is now mr.
Speaker 1:Fantastic. You know we're gonna be talking about this in like two years when we see that for three years, I mean this happens and be a good job.
Speaker 2:I like he probably is, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I, just as of right now, he does not sell he does not sir fantastic me? A fantastic.
Speaker 2:I'll be more interested in seeing who's gonna play dr Doom. It's weird. It's a period piece too. I guess it takes place in like the 60s.
Speaker 1:That's what it looks, the yeah well, how is he gonna have like any?
Speaker 3:or is that? Or is that just rumor? That's based on that.
Speaker 2:That's a rumor, but people are saying that that seems like it's gonna be pretty.
Speaker 3:But so we have. Pedro Pascal is mr Fantastic, vanessa Kirby as Sue storm. I think she's great casting they have the guy who played. I had his name right before we start the metalhead from stranger things. God, I hate this. I had it, but yeah, he's. He's playing Johnny Storm and then Ben Grimm. The thing is played by the guy from the bear, or no, it's some other guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't. I think that that's like a 75% good casting.
Speaker 2:Yeah have you. I okay, I'd have nothing against Pedro Pascal, but I think that his, from what I've seen from him, he doesn't lend Like a good mr Fantastic to me just yet. We'll see what happens. I mean, this is a big role to step into. This Mr Fantastic is, like, has all the potential to be like Tony Stark level big if done correctly, and I just don't know if I, if I buy the 100% just yet. I really hate that they didn't just Continue on with John Krasinski, because now his whole time is just a meme.
Speaker 3:Joseph Quinn, joseph is the guy that played the rocker? No, and then ebb and moss back, rack is Is the guy that's playing the thing? What?
Speaker 4:he's in the bear. It's last thing. He is in the bear, back, back back BACH RACH.
Speaker 1:But rock bark rock back.
Speaker 2:Rook back.
Speaker 3:He's in the Punisher.
Speaker 2:He was in the TV show, so now this is messing with the can.
Speaker 3:He's all CG I.
Speaker 1:Mean, I was the by work. No, you know, he actually came out today. I.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I looked it up and all I saw was a dread wolf, which is a dragon age game. So I have no idea, maybe this is like their B team that did this.
Speaker 3:Oh, maybe like yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I don't know, we'll see. I'll be interested to see how they cast Victor von Doom. That'll be the more important thing for me.
Speaker 3:Could you guys tell in that image was that, was that supposed to be Like doom in the astronaut suit, or I think that's been grim.
Speaker 2:I think it was. Yeah, that didn't look like doom to me.
Speaker 3:No, yeah, so that that was officially announced, the casting there.
Speaker 2:Have you seen that meme where it's Pedro Pascal and they like they Photoshopped his face onto Thanos and he's like collecting all the stones? And he has, like Star Wars, last of us, game of Thrones, marvel, like he has all of like the the fandoms. He's slowly DC, like he's slowly conquering all the fandoms. That's awesome.
Speaker 3:I like that. So I mean I have, I'm Not super excited, but I'm not not excited. I want to see the trailer because I like Pedro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course. Yeah, and, like I said, we're gonna be sitting here when we watch it and go, hey, I did a great job. Yeah, but it just on the surface, it's what.
Speaker 3:I do Hope my. My biggest thing, though, is I hope that they are putting good writers on this movie, not whatever crap.
Speaker 2:They're a team was in their eight teams sucks. Now I need a new marvels. Whoever did.
Speaker 3:Loki. Well, yeah whoever Loki, and that's perfect if it's period piece, that's kind of like. You know, that's I the Loki.
Speaker 1:They had like very intelligent writing like that's perfect for them to. You know, throw on to this for this guy. I, yes, use them.
Speaker 2:Did they? Did they announce who's doing it? Like I?
Speaker 3:don't know who's writing it yeah writing or directing.
Speaker 2:Who is writing and directing?
Speaker 3:While Kyle looks at up. How do these things get leaked? Well, that was remember, that was sack after. After the actors guild.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they just that was a screen actors guild Just big, a big whoopsy by their marketing department went live with the tweet and they're like there was a I seen some like other people where they like it was up someone running for a political party, where they had their assistant queue up the full next week's list of tweets, which is like random shit and they timed them. They didn't set the time. They like cute them all up as like drasdrever and I guess what something happened. They all went out at the same time, so like like they're a whole week's worth of tweets that were like very like hey, we're checking out this group today and you know, come join us, whatever like all went out.
Speaker 1:All went out at the same time and it was just like, oh my god, this shit, it everybody tries to over automate and their lives, it's crazy.
Speaker 3:So that's probably why that that fan or not fan art, but that art was released, is because they're like well. I mean, people think they know about it. Should we just tell them yeah, let's just announce it. Interesting find anything, kyle?
Speaker 2:Yeah, the director is Matt shakeman. He so far in Marvel. He was the showrunner for Wanda vision.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:He also did a couple episodes of Game of Thrones and a bunch of TV shows it looks like, but as far as Marvel goes, he did all the Wanda vision.
Speaker 3:Wanda vision wasn't bad. I there was some flaws in the writing, but like as far as the show itself, that doesn't give me super hyped.
Speaker 2:Yeah, honest with like I didn't dislike Wanda vision, but it wasn't like this person needs to do all the Marvel like.
Speaker 3:I would be yeah, I would be more worried if it was like this guy did miss mark or miss Marvel. I'd be like this guy did Secret invasion for love.
Speaker 1:that, oh god, please not secret invasion.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so at least he did one of the okay.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, it's funny is like I Don't even know. I feel like everybody's process might be different. There's some processes that work better than others. But like remember how hyped people were when and I never understood it cuz I never really had seen this stuff, but like taiko ITV. Yeah people were like when he was announced it was like, oh my god. And then he ended up just kind of creating some really average Films like I mean he was so fucking. I remember it was like everyone was simping so hard.
Speaker 2:I'm like alright for Ragnarok was Even though I think I've expressed this before I honestly think it was overrated. Yes, but I don't think um, that was very. I think so that was very beloved by the the fan base. I just I didn't like that they took such. If they had done that to any other Thor story I would have been okay, but like, that's like a really like intense dark story arc.
Speaker 1:Dude, it was sad as shit what was happening, but they made it.
Speaker 2:They almost made a joke out of it. Like Thor is almost like a meme now. He's not like the same Thor. Well, I thought life was destroyed, and then they pumped that up to like 50 and love and thunder.
Speaker 3:But see, I don't know how much of that Cuz you. The thing with Thor Ragnarok that you guys are, I feel like you guys are doing now, is you're adding the context of Infinity War and love and thunder that movie by itself, because how much control do you think taika had of Infinity War in any game, like with that Thor with the eye?
Speaker 1:Oh no yeah, so because.
Speaker 3:Taika set it up to where Thor was on a ship with his family. He lost an eye and it was a dark ending.
Speaker 2:I felt that way about Thor, though, before that movie and game even came out.
Speaker 1:I also think that Thor is a potentially phenomenal storyline because you see him truly going through the emotions of what just fucking happened. Yeah, but I never felt like I Mean his planet is getting consumed, his dad is dead, he gets thrown into another fucking world where he's like totally given up on anything and lost and like he's been dumped. You know, like like everything bad has happened to this guy's lost everything and he's like the most powerful character and all this stuff and like he can't he can't even, you know, control anything around him. And it just came across as like this, like I I never felt the full depth and maybe it was a limitation on his acting or something I couldn't buy fully into it, but I never felt the emotion of or the weight of what was really going on, because it was like I was constantly flooded with cheap, you know gag jokes but I feel like that that was set up to be the next movie, but then it was undercut by Infinity War, an endgame.
Speaker 3:I actually think the opposite.
Speaker 1:I think it's propped up because of where it came out at that. To me, that era right there was the Best of Marvel and I think it's propped up because it and I think the best version of Thor we've ever gotten is Infinity War Thor well, I do think there he's, he's sad and he's, you know, he's more emotional and that was built up from ragdrock.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he acted different in Infinity War than he did in ragdrock.
Speaker 3:I. I think it's a per, I think it makes sense to me. I'm not saying the arc doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2:The arc makes perfect sense. I just don't like the emotional tone they went with during it and I think that it's okay to be like have some levity and have. But Thor comes across as like bipolar because of how Yanked around his character.
Speaker 3:Well, definitely, I see that's, I think that in Love and Thunder, but I don't think ragdrock.
Speaker 2:I think ragdrock, it was too much of a tonal shift from the and I'm not saying that it obviously worked for a majority of the fans, but like he went from it was too much. The shift was too grad, it wasn't gradual enough. It was like Thor went from. You know the Thor we know, and the his first like five outing, solve sudden ragdrock. He was like they really played up the fact that Chris Hemsworth is is good at comedy, mm-hmm, and he played it very well. And don't get me wrong, when I watched that movie. There's a lot of moments that I think are Hilarious. I love the like, some of the comedy in that, but I would have Much rather I, I would have rather have kept that kind of stuff to, like the Guardians or like I think there's there are characters that that just fits better with than Thor. Okay, that's, that's me. And then Love and Thunder.
Speaker 3:Um took it to like 12.
Speaker 2:Love and Thunder did it the way they did it because and again, I was a fan of Love and Thunder, like after came out like I liked it. But the reason they went in the direction they went is because they're like oh man, people loved ragdrock, let's amp that up to 10 and I enjoyed that movie. But on the flip side of that, I was one of the few that did because of, because of how.
Speaker 1:How far removed yeah, there's story we can movies to watch. You know like we could be critical, like they're still Thor, love and Thunder is still like a fun Because it's set in the universe that we all know and appreciate and love and stuff I got. But you know, and maybe I'm just like a simp for power, but you know I would have liked to see a little bit more on Odin's death. You know, like in the, in Ragnarok, like in the the you just have a hard on bro, I have simp for power, like I said.
Speaker 1:So you know, and then, like I don't know, hella was cool, but she was just kind of like cranked to 11 in terms of just like one-track mind. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I thought she could have also didn't like how they killed off main characters with like little to no remorse. There was no. Their entire army and ragdrock. They killed his whole crew, his entire army. See, you don't even remember that, because they made it such a not big deal in that movie. They weren't a big deal, that's not. That's not their fault, that's the writer's fault. They could have made them a big deal because there's so much better.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because um Sif is still.
Speaker 2:She's a big deal and then they made a joke out of her in the next movie and he's like, you know, you don't actually go to Bahá'u'lláh or whatever if you don't die in battle. She's like what she's like bleeding out, you know, like I don't know. I just feel like there's, um, it could have been, and then they merged the planet hulk kind of Esk storyline and that, and I felt like that was Could have been done a little better.
Speaker 3:Um, Do you think we'll ever get a hulk movie?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's coming, I think yeah they just got the rights back. Right, they did. I think it's coming and I think it's going to be probably the best hulk film that we've ever had. What are they going to do with? Like, my guess.
Speaker 3:How are they going to handle Mark Ruffalo's character arc to?
Speaker 1:like revert him.
Speaker 3:I don't think are they going to revert him back somehow?
Speaker 1:I don't think the next hulk that we see is probably. I think it's going to be like, um, almost like the like joker, you know, like where it's like its own thing.
Speaker 2:It's its own thing. Oh, I think it is going to be a part of the. You think, so you, the.
Speaker 1:I think. I think what the fans would love like that could just reignite a lot of passion Is just an all out fucking. Not an origin story. For the love of god, don't do another origin story. We've seen too many of that shit. But like when it's just hulk totally unhinged, maybe some alien planet, maybe something on earth, but like just Innihilating with the best CGI. I'm over smart hulk stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that's why I'm wondering.
Speaker 2:I think they can do it in a way that, like hulk needs the power and he's, his power levels are capped as smart hulk, and so he needs to fully embrace the beast. Um, that would be. That would be entertaining, and pretty fun.
Speaker 3:I think they could have him get married. They could kill off his family. That might be it.
Speaker 2:And then he fully embraces, braces the beast and he basically takes on all the avengers and all of earth.
Speaker 3:Get a world war, or what is that one called?
Speaker 2:That's world war hulk, I think so. Yeah, I'll be interested to see what they do with x-men now as well x-men 97.
Speaker 2:The crazy thing about MCU Is all of their best characters Were not owned by them, so they had to launch the MCU with all these b level characters who now have rightfully been pushed up to like triple a status characters. But, like, iron man was a b level character, but they had no choice because they didn't have spider-man, they didn't have fantastic four, they didn't have x-men, and now that marvel has all of those characters back, their potential is like unlimited. Some of the best story arcs that have ever been written have been x-men stories, fantastic four stories, and they just weren't allowed to do it because they didn't have the characters, and so they were forced to make good stories out of all these other characters that people didn't really even. You know, a safer like Thor and Captain America. People didn't really care about those characters.
Speaker 2:You know and so like, if they just released like one really fucking good x-men movie and fantastic four movie, that would be enough to save the MCU because it's dying right now.
Speaker 3:I I do hope they put their best writers. They put those low-key writers on and know their value like and stop promoting whoever else is writing these movies.
Speaker 1:Chat gbt. Well, do you wonder?
Speaker 3:like what movies do you think we had that came out, that were affected by that? That writer strike.
Speaker 1:Literally probably anything in the last three years. So Like so that would make sense. No, any show. I mean. Think about how. Think about how dull. Like Oppenheimer came out, that was good. Right, barbie movie, that was good. I never ended up seeing it, but everyone that's all it said it was really good. Um, movies have been kind of dull. Tv shows I haven't heard anybody come up. You know, like when you see somebody like oh my god, you have to watch like Game of Thrones breaking bad, yeah, that level of like it always feels like there's there should, at least historically my whole life.
Speaker 1:There's always like one show going on that like you know that if you you throw a flip a coin into a room you're gonna find, you know, 40% of the people are watching it at that time it was like x-files and then right. Yeah it's like lost.
Speaker 3:Yeah, lost was a great example Walking dead, walking dead.
Speaker 1:Yes, um and Thrones of course. I don't know if we have one of those right now. I don't know if like the way, I also feel like tv shows are different now I would argue I guess, stranger, stranger things.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say that yeah, it was pretty, that's done.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's in my mind it's done.
Speaker 2:Well, there you heard, it's like a walking dead.
Speaker 1:It's turning into the walking dead. Well, like, what are they gonna do? They're gonna be I think of me in fucking high school, and they're all 35 years old.
Speaker 3:Did you? Did you watch the last season?
Speaker 1:I did.
Speaker 3:Yes, you know how it ends.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, terribly.
Speaker 3:The upside down's coming to the right side up, oh no. Oh god, so they're gonna be in high school. How High school is destroyed.
Speaker 1:No more school. School's out forever. School's out.
Speaker 2:Oh summer. Alice Cooper playing though.
Speaker 1:I yeah. So stranger things sure, but I just feel like we've had such here's the thing too back in the day like game of thrones was maybe a little bit different because but it was still once a year, you got a season stranger things though we have, like what a two-year gap.
Speaker 2:You know what I also think it is. It's not that show quality has really diminished that much. I think in a lot of ways it's improved. But, there's content way too much now. Yeah, so like people. Up until like, up until like all the streaming services took over. Um, you were very like. You had like five shows to choose from and one of them was like the one. Yeah, um, now it's like you can have 15 different shows, high quality. Uh, but you, you're so all over the place.
Speaker 3:You're not gonna get a lot of fall into. Add to that mix. You now have anime. Look at attack on titan.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's huge. Anybody who like they don't even need to know about anime and they're like, yeah, attack on titan, everybody knows that even they don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know attack and I Never seen it.
Speaker 2:Don't know anything about anime everyone's seen pictures of those giant. You know, meat creatures. Yeah, like they don't have to know anything about it.
Speaker 1:There's things that like transcend their genre and I just I don't know if we have like Stranger things. I think is probably the most applicable, but, like I said, there's been such droughts in that, in their cadence of release, that I I don't know if you can equate that like there.
Speaker 3:I feel like there's been a few that have tried Like for one. One that comes into my mind is I remember hearing a lot about white lotus. I never watched it, but I remember where I worked like I remember. Everyone was watching and people were talking about it, but I haven't really heard of anything since.
Speaker 1:Ballers on HBO between the wakata. Yes, I don't know, man, it's uh, it's interesting. So I think there's just waiting. I think there's a perfect opportunity. But, like how I said, there's just so much fucking content out there I don't have. I don't know. Maybe that's a good thing that more people are you. You would think that might, maybe more people are involved. But maybe the quality I don't know if the quality, I don't think it's a quality issue.
Speaker 2:I think it's just a phenomenon, cultural phenomenon too much Like, because I, like I said, I would argue that tv shows now um are much higher quality and, uh, better written than they were in the 90s and 2000s, like on average they're just like Now it's back. Then it was like rare to see a movie actor Even dare touch a tv show, because it was just a much lower level.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know now it's very it's very common for people to go interchangeably back and forth because tv has just gotten so much. It's higher budget, it's higher quality, it's just too much like that's. I think that's probably marvel, don't get me wrong. They have diminishing quality as well, but there's so much they're losing it.
Speaker 1:Well, and now we're on the where you're on the edge press of this ai, and I think this ai stuff specifically with what like the text, prompt into creating a video To name that project, sora sora yeah by open ai.
Speaker 1:Um, some of the stuff that I've seen from like and seeing their, their, their text prompt Can completely transform a lot of b-roll or just like transition shots for these comp these films with Extremely high quality. I mean, just think about like, think about what it's required, like, let's say, you want to get a shot for your film right and like, just watch a film and just fast forward and pause at any point You're like Okay, someone had to design this set. How much work, how much manpower went into designing it, to translating the director's vision Into something that could be written down that someone can then act on and build a landscape for and get it all set up. Rent the space to do so, buy the props to do so set it up, operate the equipment to film it.
Speaker 1:Get the lighting, the time involved, like, think about all that time and then think about literally typing a, a text prompt, hitting enter, and in a matter of minutes you have 4k footage of exactly what is in your vision.
Speaker 2:There's going to be an animator strengths as well. This is gonna have to set some ground rules on what you can that way spider versus gonna be pushed out six more years For part two, it'll get canceled.
Speaker 1:It'll get shells, because it'll never get but like we think we have a lot of content now, think about how much content is going to be on the internet that, like, is just literally ai on.
Speaker 2:It's almost kind of scary in a way like this, seeing how well the Sora program works. When it works Like it's, it's like practically indistinguishable from like a real video. It's almost like we're gonna get to the point where it's gonna be very it's gonna be impossible to know what what's real and what it's crazy. And it's like that didn't really hit me until I started watching these videos where I'm like, even like the deep fake stuff, like it didn't scare me.
Speaker 2:Yeah and like Ai is a tool, is like. I always thought it was more fascinating and scary, but seeing this video I'm like Wow, so they just do whatever they want, and it's here, and it's here.
Speaker 1:It's not like the future and think about where like they always gonna get better. That was mean like where we were a year ago, right, which is the will smith eating spaghetti, which is like kind of crazy images. One year later, we're here and it's one year practically flawless. Like and the only. There's some of those clips that I see because there's been so many more to come out that I'm like watching it and I'm like I don't. I don't see what's not real.
Speaker 1:No, like this looks so good If in fact, it looks almost, maybe it's it's too good, that like it's it's too perfect too clean yeah like because, like the one, did you see the one where they created a movie trailer for like an alien, like a 30 year old alien On the surface of like mars, on like a, on like a surface of a sandy planet. That was like the text prompt that they provided and it was like this guy wearing like a helmet and he was like running. Now, his running looked a little awkward, but the close-up shots of his face and the shadows and the landscapes that it built on this foreign planet Were unfucking believable. The one that gets me believable.
Speaker 2:I found it here. This one gets me. Uh, it's a dog. The text prompt was like a color for a window surrounded by colorful buildings in bruno, italy, and a Dalmatian comes out. Um see, if you can just go to Sora, it's like on their main page oh there, it is right there.
Speaker 1:I mean you gotta mute this here. Yeah, I'll share my second screen.
Speaker 2:So here it is like, like that's crazy that you give it a prompt and it does something that well and it's like, maybe it like look at the shadowing, look at the shadowing of this, like yes. When you blow it up and you look at it, okay, maybe you could pick out some things, but like that's pretty crazy find that space one like the yeah, it's. It's insane, just go to their, go to their is this?
Speaker 1:it open AI sort of videos. The golden retrievers have you seen this?
Speaker 3:giant cat king. I want us, you, we need to do that one.
Speaker 1:Four days ago. You've seen this one right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, let's just like Now their faces kind of look like they're changing sizes a little bit. But like if you, if this was shared in a group chat, you wouldn't think twice, you wouldn't?
Speaker 2:yeah, I think no, it's a, you wouldn't be looking for the flaws, unless you were told it's AI. And then you like, oh, okay, I can kind of see this and that. But if you're like, oh, look at my dogs. You're like, oh, that's cute, and then you wouldn't think about it.
Speaker 1:This one. So it's like he's on a. He's on an astronaut, like the text prompt was. He's like a.
Speaker 4:Create me a movie trailer for his walk looks a little awkward.
Speaker 1:Like, look at the look at the visual Fidel. This guy doesn't exist. Yeah it's wild, this guy does not exist. Like, look at the look at the detail on his face.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that looks like a real person like.
Speaker 2:What engine does this AI use?
Speaker 1:I didn't read that, like I don't think there is an engine, I think it's just a data model of combining images.
Speaker 2:It's combining images.
Speaker 3:Great that's do the wild of the giant cat king. Which one. Is it a very top? Yes, first one 74 views.
Speaker 2:Why haven't I blown up like what?
Speaker 1:one day ago and this has 74 views. So like this is totally ridiculous and what's?
Speaker 3:crazy too is like that looks like Tim Burton's, but Allison Wonderland yeah, like and this can be generated by a textbook.
Speaker 1:I think about, like the effort involved to create this before you know, just manually. Yeah, it's not like. Yeah looks ridiculous, but like if your film was designed wow, this looks actually very menacing.
Speaker 2:That would scare the hell out of giant cat the way he steps forward, starts walking towards them at the end here.
Speaker 1:Now it'd be interesting how they do audio. I don't know how, if they let's what's have you seen this though? So this is the stuff that's bad. So here, watch this. All the play. Attention to their hands, pay attention to their hands.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw it like it's kind of.
Speaker 3:That's unreal right what's their first video?
Speaker 1:her face is a little creepy too.
Speaker 3:This first one know, the very first one they uploaded.
Speaker 1:Oh, this is the one that went viral, super viral. She's walking through to like that. What was the text from? Here we go. A stylish woman walks down a Tokyo Street filled with Warm, glowing neon and animated city signage. She wears a black leather jacket, long red dress in black boots and carries a black purse. She wears sunglasses and red lipstick. She walks confidently and casually. The street is damp and reflective, creating a mirror effect of colorful lights. Many pedestrians walk about. That's the prompt. Two or three senses and they get this. Look at the reflection, look at the detail of reflections, you know. And this guy, like this guy's kind of walking a little weird, you know, you can her ankles are a little weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you look at her ankles like, if you know you wouldn't think about it.
Speaker 3:What even? We're looking specifically for the flaws because we know it, that sign like that Japanese sign right there, that looks like a real street sign.
Speaker 1:This one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I.
Speaker 1:Mean look at the tech detail on the on the buildings.
Speaker 3:Their reflection in the her freckles and like zits yeah.
Speaker 2:It's so wild, it's just this is, and this is now. This is now where this will be.
Speaker 1:Exactly. This is not it. This doesn't end like this is not 5000, what well? Probably went viral on Twitter.
Speaker 2:Okay, I don't know. Openai sort of videos is actually their channel.
Speaker 1:I think this might be like source yeah, it was posted on their website. I think the people are just ripping it, but yeah.
Speaker 3:But yeah, that's, that's scary.
Speaker 2:That's the first time I've ever thought, I've ever had feelings of maybe a little Intimidation like imagine. Imagine just the world of like yeah, that's the first time I've ever felt that I was watching these videos.
Speaker 3:Anybody can be you.
Speaker 1:Well, so that Kyle was talking about this earlier and you follow pirate software, right that? Guy that does that he talked about in one of his videos About how he has a Agreement with his banks all of his banking stuff that any transaction he has to be in person yet you do not do anything over the phone for me is his agreement because he could be duped too easily.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they set that up with with him. But they do that with his bank because of how easy it is, especially his voice, how easy it is for someone to program his voice and all they need to know is a few bits of information about him and they could do anything they want over the phone.
Speaker 3:So like, yeah, anybody can be you, anybody could make any type of video of you like. So you know, like catfish, somebody could catfish somebody else they could put you in porn Like you could.
Speaker 2:They could blackmail wasn't there a whole thing with that streamer chick that she was getting yes, she was getting deep, faked onto like porn stars and stuff, yeah, and like it was a huge deal and like.
Speaker 3:Just imagine that would be.
Speaker 2:So imagine how devastating though Be have your, your likeness, put onto something like that, you know and your family sees it and like, and they don't your grandma's not gonna know that's AI.
Speaker 3:She's like what is this AI? How?
Speaker 2:could you do this to me, like you know, like that's lying.
Speaker 1:You're going to know how we're like we are going to have to Almost relearn how we make assessments about people and things that we read online. Like there's just gonna be a massive learning curve. Like, okay, not only can I just see something posted online, I have to really pay attention to the source. Is it posted by the person that sent this? Otherwise, is it fake?
Speaker 2:Yeah you know and I don't know when we Rip our episodes to put it on our Spotify and all our stuff. It's ironic because I've gotten so lazy that, like the last, like 30 episodes, the description has always been written by AI and they're a I yeah, they're AI. It listens to our Episode and it writes a description based on that. Most of the time it hits the mark. Every now and then it's pretty wild like it. It gravitates towards things that we didn't even really talk about that much you know.
Speaker 2:But I always put a disclaimer. I always say the following description is written by AI, because I don't want anyone to think Otherwise, like I don't know if that's silly of me to do that, but I always put that disclaimer on there because it's just weird. I'm using it strictly as a tool, but I want people to know I didn't write that. You know that that was some AI that listened to us and wrote a description for I think it's super valid.
Speaker 3:No how are we gonna combat it?
Speaker 1:I'm assuming that there will be. These algorithms are going to have like fingerprints through how they generate their, like their models. There'll be. You know, it's an algorithm, right? So there's some pattern to it and I would assume that, just like we have community notes on Twitter, something that where, like people can combat fake news by, you know, limiting the spread of bad articles that are, like, hey, factually incorrect, I think we will have like embedded tools in our social media that says this has received a 17% AI score you know, or this is received, some everything's gonna have to get rated like that, just so we know is like our current AI rating capabilities suck ass.
Speaker 3:Yeah like you can take anything written in Jap GPT. You run it through something that says it can detect AI. It tells you like there's about 40% chance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like detect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't Imagine being in college right now, being a professor, you would not be able to trust anything. Imagine being it well, like.
Speaker 1:Not only that, but I honestly think that Universities need to know that, like these tools are not going away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you really think that you saying at all and you have to like, like you're. I don't know if you're gonna be able to really like, especially with text, right, I don't know how you can confirm that. Now they have like AI and anti copyright stuff. Basically they, they just saw how much you would repurpose from the internet and they would check, like the top sites that kids would research from, and if if they copy and pasted it and it was pretty fine, you were, you could.
Speaker 1:At first it was totally blind you, you would submit it and then if you got flagged you were fucked. Then they said, okay, we'll give you your score before you upload it so you can like revise it and I'm like, okay, that makes a lot more sense. And then they can boom, you know, you can, you can make the, the assessment yourself. Now it's like If I'm a university, because it like this is a tool, this is like Excel, this is like outlook, word, whatever, whatever tools that almost every job that uses a computer leverage, here's the thing to add on to Billy word.
Speaker 3:It now has a built in built in AI. Ai to like let me, we can finish that sentence. We can make it a little bit more professional for you.
Speaker 1:No, enhance, enhance, enhance. That exists now right and so, like, if I'm a university, I'm seriously going like all right. How do we not only Know that this changes here, but how do we embrace it? How do we train kids to leverage this to make themselves better?
Speaker 2:How do we keep original thought Like that's the goal of a college now is, how do you teach people how to think instead of just use?
Speaker 3:But that I mean that's the problem with school in, in my opinion. In general, school's always been about memorization, so that's always been a thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how do you teach someone and you don't really get to the point of like being taught how to think and tell you like get to college level? Yeah, to college, yeah but it's gonna be more important now than ever. And, yes, embrace, use this tool, use it to help you, but as the tools get better, so should the expectations on you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know that's super valid. Right like before, I wouldn't be expected to transform thousands of rows of data in Excel or, like you know, by on paper, but now I have a tool like Excel. Now your expectation is you can do that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, see. So I wonder if they'd be like, okay, now right at 20 page 20 page essay, and it has like. You have to read through it and it has to make sense. Like but it's gonna be 20 pages. You can use chat, gpt. I can see that being a very real course of action that way it still forces the student to read through it to make sure that the Topics and the what it's writing makes sense.
Speaker 1:I guess yeah, but like again, though. Then now you're taking something like Just because you've written more doesn't make it more valuable, right?
Speaker 3:like yeah.
Speaker 1:You know 10 pages or two. You know I had. I had many assignments in college where I had to write 10 pages. Yeah, I don't know if I wrote 20 pages, if it would be twice as good. You know what I mean, or like.
Speaker 3:That's like you need them to commit more time. I feel like.
Speaker 2:I think you'd be less about like page length and more about Like you would need. Basically, everything would be like a dissertation at a certain point, all right, maybe not, you know. Freshman level, welcome to college? Yeah, you know, but like I, just I, I don't know how they would gauge the quality per se, but I do think that it is going to increase and the expectations on you are gonna get a lot higher.
Speaker 2:It's the same, you know, like there's a lot of math now, that's, we have a lot of tools that help us better at math. That, like they just didn't expect students to know 50 years ago, because they just couldn't.
Speaker 3:I wonder Do you think we'll reach the point where maybe they get rid of essays? Because, like, this is just how I'm thinking about it I I'm going to online College, wgu, and here's the thing yes, I can write an essay with chat, gpt, but the kicker is I have to take a test. Yeah and my quiz is based on my knowledge, I, you can't use chat, gpt and it, so it's like I wonder if they just say you know what? Let's get the essays.
Speaker 1:Well, they're becoming obsolete based on this, this tool, or I don't know, at least in my experience, the essay has really not been about the source material, like the. The context of what you're discussing or talking about is probably the least important part. I think what why a lot of education, education gravitates towards that is because you have to take in this much information, consolidate it down, organize your thoughts and put together an argument and a conversation. You know, or what are they? What was the type of Essay? Writing like declarative or I don't remember what the?
Speaker 1:term was, but basically like it, some kind of discussion type essay where you've organized your thoughts, you've broken it down, compiled it down into, grouped it like there is a lot of critical thinking that goes into how you're gonna organize that. That's out the window. Now, yeah, these throat like, not only like. Not only do you not need to do that, like you could, you can just jam out what you want and then click like organize, and it will organize it Perfectly in the way that it should be grouped, and then the kid can go back in there and adjust To give you an idea on how I use AI and how I think would be super effective way to use it for students and stuff.
Speaker 2:I Will still do the work. Recently I was on. I was searching for a job. I would Plug in. What I did is I I created like a cover letter, I created a 30, 60, 90 and I plug that in to chat GPT. I said use this information I'm providing you and make it approachable, easy to understand and high quality for a Whatever feel that was going for. And then it spat back out something. It was what I did, but they added all those elements that I said and it made it better. Yeah, and it made it. I did that to my resume, I did that to my cover letter and I did that to my 30, 60, 90 and what it gave me was still me because it was all the points I made, but it made it sound like way better and I could easily see someone writing a three-page essay, giving it some kind of similar prompt as that and then spitting out a Better version of what you just wrote that makes all the same points.
Speaker 2:Yeah so like the question is what are we losing when we do stuff like that? Like, are we losing?
Speaker 3:No, we gain anything I think we are losing. We're losing the ability of like, of being Like, creative solving when writing like how important is that skill though? I think it is. I like Basic human speech. Yeah you know I agree, I'm not, I'm done playing devils at it, but yeah so I think it's important, because Writing, you know, in a lot of ways for a lot of kids and stuff, is kind of how you learn Basic grammar.
Speaker 1:Now we got words like really also we've talked about this before but, like I think all my thoughts come Across my brain, is written like or is spoken like, I have a very deep Conversation with myself as I think through anything like it's, and it's in word form, like it's a discussion. Yeah, it's not just like I have this thought and I'm kind of just thinking, it is like I'm actually talking to myself, and so I think you're right, like when you don't have the ability to Organize your thoughts, well, keep you know, keep on track with what you're trying to think and accomplish and using the correct words and ideas to formulate. But like at the same time, what if it's given to you? You take it and then you generate it and then you read it and then you're like, oh, like does how mile sticky is that? Now?
Speaker 1:I think, like if you, if you're, if it's your initial work, right, and you created this original piece of art, you know, and then it's a word document and then it gets revised to be cleaned up and you're like, wow, this is really impressive. You'll read through that. I think there will be some sticking to now, because all those are your thoughts. They're just organized in a better way of like, oh I that's a great idea to put it like that. Now it's stuck in there. If that maybe in the next time you think you just organically think to do it that way. So there's some benefit there maybe.
Speaker 3:I hope, billy, but I have very little faith that. But every will not take the easiest route possible.
Speaker 1:Oh, we definitely will, and that's that's always going to be. Always gonna, absolutely. But I wonder if, like you, could make the exact same argument, going from pen to paper, to typewriter, to excel, or to a word to auto correct, like think about all those little. I mean that's, that's all little flavors in that.
Speaker 2:I do think this is the biggest jump. Though I would agree and I'm not just saying that because that's the air we're in I do think this got the biggest job.
Speaker 3:You think there was like one auto correct him out? There was I. Now people won't know, I know for a fact.
Speaker 2:People are saying now, people won't even know how to spell.
Speaker 3:You know, because absolutely correct. Yeah, so like them, which is true, we didn't exist what?
Speaker 1:what happens to this?
Speaker 2:The library. You know, kids don't even go to the library.
Speaker 1:This is the source salesman, you'll be out of a job. Think of all the thousands of people. Yeah, it's always something right, and I do agree, kyle, it's absolutely the largest jump, because it's like you can take, sorry I wasn't saying it right cuz I was like the source, but yeah, yeah. I don't even fucking know the psychopathy because you know either of you ever used an encyclopedia?
Speaker 3:ever cool.
Speaker 1:When? When was the last time you use the?
Speaker 3:Probably high school. Shut the fuck up shut the front door. Yeah, I used it for an art. What had his tear out? A page of pain. Okay, dude. All right, that doesn't care, not even close.
Speaker 2:My parents had a really nice encyclopedia said that I used to. My dad would challenge me to Learn something new every night when I was a kid. That's awesome, but I mean I stopped doing that probably when I was like 12. Maybe that's pretty late, that's pretty yeah and by then the internet had.
Speaker 3:Already pretty prominent you know.
Speaker 2:So it wasn't, it was like a thing. But yeah, I would say like I don't think I was ever required to like in in college.
Speaker 1:I wasn't required to use an encyclopedia like no, I don't know. So I just think I don't even know if I know how to cite that. I mean cuz this can create a book I tell jet PT to help me site it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, put this in the. Mla format for me.
Speaker 1:Cuz this. Like these programs can essentially Create original works and we've never been able to do that. Like you can give it basic prompts and it make us all. Yeah, something. Yeah, and we've never been able to create. It's been. We've always been able to edit and clean up. We've never been able to create, and now we're getting to that. So it'll be interesting, I think. I'm with I'm always optimistic with new technologies that, like, if it is truly bad, they will weed themselves out.
Speaker 2:It's here, whether you like it or not, yeah.
Speaker 3:One solution that I can think of. That I see, I kind of maybe see. Emp colleges, yes, ampere Colleges. Going towards is maybe when you're writing an essay, they have some program that doesn't allow paste.
Speaker 2:I think probably already have. That just has to be all text, like you have to use it in our program enter each key. Can't use word. Yeah, but I see I see a lot of in-class activity as well again, I know.
Speaker 1:I just think that is going to be the downfall of education if they try to go that route. Because, again and we've already seen it with like computer programs. Like I got a finance degree and I was never once trained in Excel. That is a fucking problem. Yeah fucking problem now. I hope to God that they fix that, but there's no reason why in 2016, 2017, I graduate from college and I get I don't have any experience in Excel.
Speaker 2:You didn't do is 101 and make a poster on access.
Speaker 1:Dude, I did do is 101 and, like the Excel assignment there was like Hit, control T and create a table and then take a screenshot of that and that's your Excel experience, dude. It was so bad. I did.
Speaker 1:I forget. I told you the story before. I'll never forget my first. This is a true story doing I've never told you. Sorry. I walked in is 101 and at the time I was like Peak fucking PC gamer. I dude. I was like I lived on a computer.
Speaker 1:I sit down in this class and it was like right before work and it's an afternoon class and we sit down and like the professor is Browsing the internet and she hits control plus, you know which like to zoom it into, like the screen, and it was a classroom with an auditorium of like there's probably 300 kids in the classroom. It's a big, put big classroom and she zooms in and I'm no joke like 50% of the class audibly Gas when she showed this is probably 2012, 2013 audibly gasps. When she zooms in with control plus and and she's like yes, yes, yes, this is the kind of stuff that we are going to learn in this class, dylan, I shit you not. I grabbed my backpack and walked out. The next time I attended that class was the final. I Got an A. That's one of my proudest moments in all of these. Like college, I was like, okay, this is exactly what this class me. All right, see you and I'm not. I'm not even exact. I literally walked out of that classroom. I was like I'm not sitting.
Speaker 2:I took I just want to love your brother. I mean him. I don't even really remember that class. We were just kind of fucking off all time but One of the funniest moments I have, like I remember from that class, is our professor. He Couldn't figure out how to control his own computer, oh no he could know he was like my mouse isn't working.
Speaker 2:I don't understand. He's teaching, IS he couldn't? He's like I don't get it. He calls in IT to come help him. The dude shows up. It's like some like you know, 18 year old kid that works in college IT and he comes in and he plugs in the guy's mouse. Oh my god it was unplugged.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, it was unplugged and I looked at your brother and I was like this guy's fucking teach you know, said he used computers and we both started laughing. But I'm like that's an actual. And I was like this guy's like 70 years old, look who's. Yeah, dude, why this?
Speaker 3:is the worst possible. He's probably. He's probably like English lit teacher that they're like teach this IS class. I know, you know what I.
Speaker 2:Guarantee you, it was some existing professor I probably taught like core humanities and they're like does anyone not use a computer? And he's like I'll do it like I care, as long as I got somebody to plug in my mouse for me I'll be good.
Speaker 1:Well, like in my interpretation of because IS, the IS courses were required. I think I even had. I think you had to take 101, 102 and then like 301. I think that was. If you got a business degree. I think you had to take those three minimum and and Like IS 101 and 102. They were like basic programs, like it was like one, was like I, 102 was like Photoshop 101 was literally like access Excel Word, like it was like stuff like that like super basic, but like Almost, just knowing, like what the name of the program did, like.
Speaker 1:That's the level of depth.
Speaker 1:Yeah they went to. And then 301 was more. It was interesting. I I wish I could attend it with the knowledge I had. Now I think I would get a lot more out of it, because all 301 tried to teach me was like the Institutional name, like what is a CRM? What is an ERP system? What is like this is an enterprise solution. What does that mean? How do these things get administered across a network like that? It was much more of like an enterprise level course of like Terminologies and I thought, like, looking back, I was like Probably should have paid better attention in that class because I probably would have gotten something out of it. But at the time it was just like it was so fucking. I mean I had worked as a busboy. You know, like you're reading about this, you're like I don't know how I apply this knowledge, but sure you know I'll memorize this stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That was actually one of my 301 was actually one of my favorite courses because it was the projects in there were so much fun. But yeah, I asked in general. I was not like kids who were graduating with that degree. I'm like Good luck, it was an, it was an information. It was like I. It was an information Like job that you would try to get it from the call like so, like a technology to base job you would expect to get with a from a, the College of Business, not like engineering school or anything, yeah, and it's just like you know what reality that's so bad, what that degree is most commonly used for.
Speaker 2:McDonald's being an auditor of what Just in general IRS, no, like like an internal auditor for like banks and Stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you have like a bunch of compliance.
Speaker 2:They have. I can see the degree in.
Speaker 1:IS, but like it was just. I think a lot of kids took that because they thought they were gonna go and get like Some technical developer job or whatever and knitted not work out that way, I'm gonna go work in Silicon Valley.
Speaker 2:Yeah, look at what degree you're caught like what college your degree is in, and that'll tell you how it's gonna be applicable. If it's a business degree, you can. I mean, having a degree is better than no degree, for sure. But like it's not an engineering degree, like it's not, you know, it's a different thing.
Speaker 1:So different, and I think that's. I think the colleges do such a poor job of communicating that, no, I'll never. I'll never forget this story too. Senior year, taking portfolio management 490, I for 495 or something like that. And I'm in the class and I'm the first day that the professor goes around and asks each kid Okay, you know where you at? Like, what, what year are you and what do you like, hope to do? Like, what first job do you want? Yeah, there's 30 kids in this classroom. All of us are either senior or seniors. Like graduating that semester, and he went around. I was the second to last person that he got to. Just the way he worked around the room, and I Am not even kidding, I was the only one to give an answer. Now, I don't know if anybody gave a fuck about it, but that just struck me as wild is like you know what, what, what year are you and what job? In every single person said senior and I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:They're fucking. Six months away from graduating and every literally like 30 grand later.
Speaker 1:I don't know every single kid had no idea what job they were going or what, and I was the only one I said at the time I wanted to be a pricing analyst because I really like I Really liked that idea and I ended up in gauging. What's funny enough is I said that answer and I ended up engaging with the professor after class at the end of the year and that's how that was who gave me my first job, and it just blew me away that all of these kids were just.
Speaker 2:They were just going through the motions Like, wow, this guy answered me, he's the only one that's got a future.
Speaker 1:Fucking make something up like investments, but just say something. And I don't know if it, like it, became a meme at some point. And I don't know either.
Speaker 2:Look at us. We're fucking idiots. You know they're all like in their 30s now. What are they doing? You know like dude it was.
Speaker 1:That was such a lesson for me and and yeah, I was just like these people have they are literally have no, no idea.
Speaker 1:They're just following the steps. They were told to go to college. They were told Finance is the highest paying job. You know, if you, if you, unless you want to be an engineer, okay, and that's why they did it and I, that's why half the kids were there, I guarantee it, but none of them had thought of anything past that there are so many people that go to school, get degrees and and literally do absolutely nothing with it, because they only did that because that's what was expected of them, not because they actually had a future in mind.
Speaker 2:I'm not trying to shit on people that are Not utilizing their degree. That's not what I mean. I'm just saying like there's so many people that Got a degree because they were told that's what they have to do one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when I worked at the bank with Kyle there was I worked in this branch and there was at least three people I worked with that had degrees. One had a degree in criminal justice, the other had a degree in business administration and I forget what. The third one, but they were tellers. Yeah, they were tellers at a bank and and I was a teller and I don't have any so stupid degree and I was just like.
Speaker 2:I was like Like I'll work with people that have like degrees and like business admin or like economics and so, and like I'll ask them, I'm like, why are you a teller right now? Why? And they're like I thought that you had to work your way up and I'm like you have your degree. That's the whole point. Is you're supposed to be able to skip like five of these things? Like like, what is your career?
Speaker 1:path. What the fuck? Where does teller take you? That you could only achieve what was the? And they don't think about it. Yeah, they like they could punt that thought for four or five years by going to college and then they become comfortable and happy.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, and again and then the world, world fucked me if that's what you want to do, that's totally 100% fine.
Speaker 1:I find that to not be the majority of people, though, that truly want to do that, and go and get a degree and become a fucking teller. There's no, but like I remember when I worked.
Speaker 2:It's cuz they. It's like they're not told. Well exactly.
Speaker 1:There's not a plan.
Speaker 2:There's not a plan, they go. Why? I guess Banking is the lowest risk. Yeah, that's a. That's a financial field respect. Why can't I wear?
Speaker 3:a suit. Well, I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think school preps you to be ready for that, like I it took my opinion, schools.
Speaker 1:That's not the responsibility of the school, though.
Speaker 3:Maybe not, but well, that's why I'm saying I'm not sure how they'd fix it, but I think Get something to get them started thinking about it, because I didn't start thinking about it till after you know, till, like I was almost about to graduate high school and it took me years to, like, finally figure out what I wanted to do.
Speaker 3:And I just I would have wished that somehow I, I, some, some way that could have gotten through to me sooner. That way I would have had more drive to go to college when I fresh graduated high school Right, because I graduated high school and I went right into working, and that was because I didn't know what I wanted to do, right, and I just I always I felt I was hard on myself because I saw people go into college. I was like, how the fuck do they know? I don't, and I think that a lot of people don't know, and I don't necessarily think it's a school's job, but that is where we spend most of our Problem is is that we yeah, we have to commit to that, like I all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, it's a very common question to ask a 12 year old what do you want to be when? You go yeah it's like holy shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my the rest of my life you know and and what I had some eyes by the time I was 18 and ready to go off to college was like Okay, I don't think anybody has an answer to this. So what do I like? I like computers. What is the quality of life that I want? I don't want to be in the fucking field Crankin wrenches, fucking up my back, whatever. Like. I want to be a desk dweller, chillin, and I'd love to. I'd love the idea of working from home. That'd be fucking cool. Okay, computers. Okay, I'll get into that shit. Boom, and I did. Well, that's how. That's sort of how I started my college career what if they had more, almost more like internship?
Speaker 3:because the thing for me, the catalyst for me, finding out what I wanted to do was seeing it be done and Like yeah, what happened to the good old days and you could just apprentice under something to become?
Speaker 1:Such dipshits and, like he's, don't want to deal with it. They have that test.
Speaker 3:I remember I took that test and I think it was high school, where it's like this is the job you have based on your, on you I don't know some BS personality test that told you your job. I was gonna be a forest ranger is what it said.
Speaker 2:Hey, you know what I wanted to be a forest ranger.
Speaker 3:I still kind of want to do it, but that was my dad's dream job, and then he became a printer.
Speaker 1:He became a printer, the enemy of the forest ranger. Funny how life has this you know and.
Speaker 2:I talk about College degrees as if I just think that if people have a degree, that they should just I Don't, I'm maybe I'm not coming across because I also I also feel like just because you have a degree, that doesn't mean that you should just be put in the front of the line of like a lot of different types of jobs. And in fact, when I interview people, like in the environment I work at, if they have a degree, what that tells me is that they can at least have their shit together for four or five, six years and they can Meet tasks and they could do them well enough to pass and that puts in, that gives them an edge over other candidates. But I don't generally just say, oh, this person has their degree, that must mean that they're gonna be fantastic at this role, because in all actuality, I Would say that everyone I've worked with that it has a degree.
Speaker 1:Some of them are great, but there's a lot that really are not good At their job well and remember we don't live in a world where, like, you get what you deserve Just because you went to college, like you don't. You just deserve a better job or, like you said, they'd be in the front of the line. We live in an open market system. So what does that mean? Well, guess what, when you flood the market with great labor, which is, like you know, qualified bachelor degree labor, and you have millions of young kids who are In dead up to their eyeballs, who are willing to take lower paying jobs, like because of it's so competitive, because there's such a pool of assets to pull from or such a pool of talent to choose from, well, guess what now companies like they're going to.
Speaker 1:That's why, when you you see a lot of that buried entry of like Requires a bachelor's degree, requires a bachelor's degree. Requires it. Why do they say that? It's because there's so many freaking people out there with bachelor's degrees that they can hire them. Start them off at $35,000 a year and they'll they have no problem Finding people that'll fill that role and mainly, I just want to get the point across that I'm not.
Speaker 2:It came across as if I was like, like I'm shitting on people for working entry-level jobs with a degree. That's not really what I meant.
Speaker 1:I don't think I didn't take it.
Speaker 2:Okay, I just want to make sure that that's not how it sounded.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't take it that way.
Speaker 2:You've absolutely lost no respect for me if you're working an entry-level job with a degree. I'm just saying that there are some people that don't realize what they could be doing.
Speaker 1:Well, I think to. I think the point that we're all trying to make and with that sentiment, is like the idea that you've gone through all the difficulty which is to get a degree, you've gone through the debt, you've gone through the time four years, five years in a lot of cases and you got to the end and you still didn't answer the question of, like, what do I want to do?
Speaker 2:I think that's ultimately what we were saying is like yeah how did you end up here?
Speaker 1:And it's like you know, like is that? Was that really your path? You're like okay, I'm gonna graduate college and become a teller. Like no, no, I don't think that's what we're talking about. Like it's the idea that You've now punted this here, 22, 23 years old, graduating from college, and you still haven't answered the question of like where do I want to start? Like, at some point, you do just have to pick. At some point, you do just have to pick and start accumulating skills.
Speaker 1:You're not getting any younger and you, like you just got to go find something and oftentimes, there that you will be. Once you're standing in a new spot, there will be a whole new avenue of knowledge that you're like I didn't even know that this existed and I kind of like that niche and allow yourself to find meaning and fulfillment in that niche, because you know all the time like I'll, like I'll learn about this new area that exists and you're like I had no idea all this shit existed in there and you can pick stuff. You know, like you can build your own career path. Just start somewhere that you think might be interesting and, if it works out, continue pursuing it and keep.
Speaker 2:Keep your mind open to pursuing new things and to Daniel's point, some of the most successful people I know don't have a degree. I mean, there's plenty of people I know that make a whole lot more than then. Then I do without degrees, and you know, I don't have my degree. I just. I do feel like, though, that I had to work at something a lot harder and longer than Maybe I would have if I had, if I had finished.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but now, like at the this point we're almost all 30 like it's all a wash at this point, because now you have experience.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think at the end of the day, it college degrees they don't. They don't open doors for you like they say they do. I think they give you the key. It's still up to you whether or not you're gonna turn that and be successful at that. It's it's not just they open doors for you.
Speaker 1:I think there's a little bit more to it than that and I think there are like some opportunities that are just always going to be gated Behind that secondary education. Oh, definitely.
Speaker 1:Engineering, doctors, stuff like that, like you're going to have to play the game to get into there, because the truth is, the skills that you do learn in college apply heavily to those fields, like nurse doctor sitting, sitting in a cubicle on A computer all day, like doing work, like the skills that you learn in college to be able to go through that stress and that Structure and and come out the other side. I think that's very applicable to that life. Now there's some people who can't thrive in that life and they need to be in the field doing things.
Speaker 1:No but like I think so I think they're always going to be gate kept. A look some fields. I'm gonna be gate kept behind that degree and that's fine. I want the doctor.
Speaker 2:I talked to have a college.
Speaker 1:Yeah, with multiple postgraduate levels like I want a Psychologist.
Speaker 2:I talked to to. You know, have a certain level of schooling under there.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, there are fields that it's like you know with you know, a construction worker. They don't need to go to tradition and honestly it would be a detriment.
Speaker 1:Yeah to them, because they don't need to take out that debt. They can get into the field and actually learn on the job, like what you know, whatever they're doing, like I would.
Speaker 2:What are the skills learn on the side? I would trust somebody that's worked the job for 10 plus years Versus someone that went to school to learn about it in a couple of years. 100%, I am way more.
Speaker 1:I feel like one for one, like two years on the job or two years in a classroom learning about the job. I'm taking the guy that's been on hands on the whole time, been exposed to all parts of the process, the crew on that type of role, absolutely now, if he's like a soil tester or something that maybe, maybe more of the classroom now, because now, like you got a chest it all depends on whatever like exactly. There's certain things that are gonna lean one way or another, but and there is a whole movement around.
Speaker 2:I think I don't Mike row is probably the one that pushes this the hardest, but there is a certain element of like we're losing something with, like, the diminishing of people that are just capable in blue collar careers. Well, yeah, they like there's like we will collapse as a society if all of that gets lost, and I don't think we're in any real danger of that happening immediately, but it is diminishing for sure.
Speaker 1:We're lucky because we're in America and our population pyramid is still is still a pyramid. But you look at cultures like Japan, where it's like this, and you see the economic struggles that they run into because you have a lot of old people and you have a lot of young people Taking care of those old people and you're limited into what you can do as a culture and a civilization. That way, when you have a Pyramid type structure now, you can have a lot more opportunities and diversified things to do. This is another thing we don't have like. We're lucky because people immigrate here and our population rates have been okay. They're falling quickly. But the only way that we're gonna make up that labor is if we develop technology to support that well or very quickly, yeah.
Speaker 1:I am like, within two to two or three generations, this will be a problem. We are not like we are. Our model is a pyramid. Now it's. It will ultimately become like that. Yeah, so we have to. We have to be very quick to to shift our the how much labor we need to make things and do things.
Speaker 3:I've had this conversation with my dad actually, because my dad he works construction and he he's noticed like there's a there's a labor shortage as far as good quality people who want to work construction. And you know, I had this whole discussion with him and it's like I don't, you know, I it's kind of what happened with the generation, because growing up I was told not to work those jobs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you do not want that and it's like don't go here, go to school.
Speaker 3:Go to college, get a good desk job. You don't want to do what I'm doing and so it's like it's interesting. They need to start incentivizing trade school more. I think, then, it is they need to.
Speaker 2:It needs to become a more, another viable option, rather than when we were kids, it was fed to us as your lesser yeah, you don't want to go to trade school when in actuality, if you get a job in construction and you do work your ass off which that's the part that's gonna weed out a lot of people but if you work your ass off and you show them how much you're willing to put into this, you could easily make six plus figures a year. Oh yeah, easily. But the problem is is that work is not easy and a lot of people Will not do it because they realize how much goes into it. Well, my life.
Speaker 1:One of my, one of the dumbest strategic errors I think we ever made, was the whole work. Work smarter, not harder campaign. And this is like Mike Rose, you talked about it briefly.
Speaker 1:But like this is like Mike Rose mission is to say, hey, let's work harder and smarter, like we'll do both. And it's because, exactly what you just said, we have absolutely bastardized Trade culture in America. You watch on, you turn on the TV. You see the fat plumber with his ass cracking. You know that's like the classic example. You know like all the time throughout our lives you comment on it. Just now we heard how many times. So go to college, don't? My dad was a blue collar worker, cranked wrenches Whole his whole life. Oh, don't, go to college, don't be like me, be better than me. It sucks, you know, breaking down your body, and that is true.
Speaker 1:Yeah those jobs are fucking hard, man, and they're hard on your bodies and you can make great money and but like the reality is like we bastardized so much to the other side that now it's like where's the medium, where's? You know? I, like my brother, struggled with this shit mentally for years where it was like I felt like he could, couldn't take pride in his job Because at some level he felt like he was like a failure, because he wasn't the one that went to college and graduate and so I guess hilarious because it makes more than all three of us I know.
Speaker 1:But like it, and it was like it's like a pride thing, like you know, and it was just like no, you don't understand, like it has nothing to do with you being smarter, like all I did was show I have I'm willing to institutionally suffer. That's what I feel like my degree. So I, I Will suffer in this one industry. Yes, yes, overlords.
Speaker 2:I don't know if, like, if, there's a right answer to any of this, unlike what you should do as a person, but I think for me the important thing is to not get so hung up on what Society or what your peers tell you you should yeah and maybe focus on what you think you want to do. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, and I mean the. The last part I'll add is, if we ever do have listeners who you know, you don't know what you want to do in life, as if we're the.
Speaker 1:The answer to your podcast is liking this stream. Give us a like.
Speaker 3:Hey, this one trick, one simple trick.
Speaker 2:How I?
Speaker 3:conquered America and made millions. But for me, to touch on what Kyle was saying, is like don't listen to what other people tell you and, you know, don't compare yourself. Is that when I found what, what I wanted to finally go to college for it it was so clear like I spent hours upon hours and years just dwelling on it, trying to force myself to think about it, and it just I just happened to see it and once I saw it was like oh, that seems fun and like it was simple. It was simple. So I would say just, you know, find something that is simple to you, like you. Just it clicks. You're like yes, that start the journey.
Speaker 3:Yeah, start walking, start moving, don't stand still and I mean I fell into finance and I suck at math, so I never expected to end up in the finance field, I so don't write off any job.
Speaker 2:I don't know how it happens, one day you're working at Dairy. Queen and the next day you're working at a bank, moving up the ranks, not really knowing how you got there, just faking it every step of the way. I don't think I've ever felt like I knew what I was doing. I just acted like it.
Speaker 1:I'm convinced nobody knows what they're doing.
Speaker 2:Everybody's faking it.
Speaker 1:They're all trying to make the best for this.
Speaker 2:They all make it sound like they're not faking it, but when you get to know them, they're all faking it?
Speaker 3:There's not a single person. Is Jeff Bezos faking it? You think?
Speaker 1:What do you mean? I knew what Is Jeff faking it.
Speaker 3:Jeff Bezos? Is he faking it till? He makes it.
Speaker 1:He's made it. He's made it for one, but still.
Speaker 3:You think he's still faking it a little bit.
Speaker 1:I think that echelon of person is just built different. They are driven, they are wired different.
Speaker 2:There's no faking it, he makes the rules.
Speaker 1:Elon. Same thing. Why would you, if I even sniffed a billion dollars? I'm faking, I am selling out, sitting on cash and living my life Zero risk Shilling.
Speaker 2:That's what I would be doing.
Speaker 1:Elon Musk dude, just faking on a whim buys Twitter, goes in SpaceX and he's running 15 different companies. I don't know what kind of quality of life. That's not what I would be doing. These guys are wired differently.
Speaker 3:That's why they are who they are. Atest me and Kyle, we've worked with a few people. When you meet them, you're like you're going places. You're like, wow, okay, you're overqualified and you're going to move fast. I do not have your drive.
Speaker 2:Quite a few people that when they get hired in and you just know they're probably going to surpass me in like five years.
Speaker 3:These guys are the hell.
Speaker 2:So there are people that just have.
Speaker 3:That dog in them. Have that dog in them.
Speaker 1:I've always tried to do that, but in the least risk way, so that I can maintain what I have, which is so crazy because I should have taken more risk when I was young, but nonetheless I wish I would have known.
Speaker 2:You have a very high quality of life?
Speaker 1:I don't think there's anything to, I wouldn't change anything. I love my life the way it's set up.
Speaker 2:This is the way I've set my life up, the decisions I've made. Respect, bro.
Speaker 3:Chealin Entrepreneur.
Speaker 2:Big Chealin funds Entrepreneur, I could flip that table for $30.
Speaker 1:$30. Yeah, that's what I needed to do.
Speaker 2:I'm a full-time flipper. Now I go to. Goodwill. The Goodwill and I buy and sell products.
Speaker 1:The Gary Vee method you go to garage sales and try to sell it on eBay.
Speaker 2:I hate when I see finance bros pop up on my algorithm every now and then. I don't know where it comes from.
Speaker 1:You guys know who Gary Vee is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've seen it. He's got that annoying high-pitched voice that bugs me.
Speaker 1:He popped off two years ago and then he made some public goal statements and good for him because he's trying, but he wanted to buy the New York Jets and then I think he's massively declined in terms of popularity, or at least not declined but stagnated, because I don't see him being recommended every two seconds.
Speaker 2:A lot of these people don't actually what they're doing is. They're good at social media and they're promoting their books, but they don't actually really know what they're doing.
Speaker 1:They're good at social media.
Speaker 3:You know what I just thought of. I haven't heard of who's. What's the bald guy? He went to jail, he almost.
Speaker 1:Jerry Rigg everything.
Speaker 3:No, he went to jail. He was big for a while. Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate. I haven't heard about him in a couple Hopefully he's fucking dying off.
Speaker 1:And knowing as hell I don't think I think they were released from jail, but I think they've been banned from pretty much all the platforms.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2:He just, I don't know. I'm all for, you know, empowering young men to not give up on themselves and and women right.
Speaker 3:Like yeah, his sex workers yeah, but like so bad dude.
Speaker 2:But there's something wrong with society when people latch on to people like Andrew.
Speaker 3:Tate Like truthfully believe it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, not just like humorously.
Speaker 3:Like there was like Follow it, when we've all made jokes here about like the Sigma male, like he's an extremely immoral person. Yeah, Like we understood that when it first started, Sigma male was meant to be just stupid making fun of like those alpha male people, and then people bought into it really, and then it's like whoa, wait, this is real, Like people actually think this and that's yeah, it's where we live again, I do think there's a lot of.
Speaker 2:There are a lot of very useful people to follow on Online for sure, online for sure.
Speaker 1:Well, I always remember. Look at it. This is the first time in human history where we it is actually incentivized to be a fucking contrarian, like to be, not like a, to actually cause like disruption, like that's never benefited you in history of mankind.
Speaker 4:You would get killed Exactly Like or you would be shunned by society.
Speaker 3:Outcast and that's that.
Speaker 1:Now. It's like you can have a channel dedicated to, like, running people over with your fucking car and you'd have a million subscribers, you know who I.
Speaker 2:So you're gonna laugh when I tell you this, but I read his book and I think Don't get me wrong he has a lot of maybe character flaws, but as far as like motivation and drive, someone that I think is extremely successful in that and they can speak well to that is Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 1:Okay, I 100% agree with you.
Speaker 3:I agree, I was getting ready for you to say, like Jordan Peterson he wrote a book.
Speaker 2:He wrote a book called Be Useful Arnold Schwarzenegger did and Tori actually bought it for me and I read it and that man, just the drive that he had, like he refused to change his name from Schwarzenegger even though every agent he ever talked to said he will never.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they said it wasn't marketable.
Speaker 2:He will never be able to market that name For one. It's German and that's like a big no-no at this time. This is like the 60s and so like they're still. Like you know, you don't talk about Germany. Yeah, you know. And he said he had a vision when he was a boy of seeing his name on top of an image of himself jacked in an action film and seeing Arnold Schwarzenegger at the top before anything else, and he said there was nothing I was going to do to compromise that vision. And then he becomes governor. He becomes like the world's greatest bodybuilder. First, like there's nothing that he didn't like want to do that he didn't achieve.
Speaker 2:Got wealthy from real estate, got what like and so yeah, he made some questionable choices in his personal life and he doesn't shy away from that in his book, though, he talks about it and he's very vocal about like how, how certain things had an effect on him, like having that secret child.
Speaker 1:See, I've never had a problem with like okay, it's decisions were questionable, but those, a lot of those, were like personal, you know, just always.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm talking more morally, like you know. Totally agree with that.
Speaker 1:But, like the reason why I never really had a problem with him is I always felt like he took accountability. He never shied away from. Never, never shied away from he didn't blame anyone, Talked about it right away. He didn't like hide from his problem. As soon as it happened he had a press conference.
Speaker 2:Yes, and he's like this is what happened. Yep, this is when it happened.
Speaker 3:This is when I found out.
Speaker 2:These are the mistakes I made you know and like, and she didn't also tell him about his secret child and tell the child was already like almost like 15 or something at that point and he knew, like he found out about it and then was vocal about as soon as it happened, so like he never tried to paint himself like that, Like he was the good guy and that scenario. He was just honest about it.
Speaker 3:What was his first movie where his name was Top?
Speaker 2:Probably I mean the one where it was like that really Conan Did. It was Conan.
Speaker 3:Conan okay, Probably.
Speaker 2:Not Terminator.
Speaker 3:They didn't have his name. No, that was after.
Speaker 2:Terminator was after I think. I think his name was above Conan the barbarian and I think that was like the first time where like he achieved his mission, the top build actor for years, yeah.
Speaker 2:And his voice wasn't dubbed Like in his one of his first movies. He played Hercules and they dubbed like a proper English voice, or a proper American voice over him and it was. It was just bad and like. So Conan the barbarian was probably the first time where he was like. It was him you know is authentically him. And then he had one of the most successful movie careers. For like 20 years straight he dominated the box office.
Speaker 3:And all the, all those movies. Oh, okay, I'm going to take that back. I haven't seen all those movies, but the majority of them are mostly good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he doesn't really have a lot of duds, they're like just good. You know kindergarten cop.
Speaker 3:I love kindergarten all the way. Last action hero.
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