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Get ready to unwrap the warmth of holiday traditions and the chill of cybersecurity in gaming as we blend the festive with the factual. The latest podcast episode is your cozy corner for Christmas Eve nostalgia, complete with family gatherings, the Harry Potter marathon charm, and why these moments beat the big day. But as the eggnog flows, we're also serving up a sobering look at Insomniac Games' data breach, laying bare the hefty weight it places on fans' expectations and developers' shoulders.
Strap in for a sleigh ride into the darker corners of the gaming world, where the Grand Theft Auto 6 leak looms like a ghost of Christmas yet-to-come. We navigate the murky waters of hacking motivations and their tidal effects on companies like Insomniac Games, all while dissecting Sony's bold stance against a ransom in Bitcoin. We're not here just to alarm; we're aiming to equip you with the insight needed to understand these digital disruptions.
Lighten the mood as we debate the geek vs. nerd lexicon before venturing into the automated wonderland of smart homes. Fancy a health-analyzing toilet or a porch light that knows night from day? We're chatting firsthand experiences and the implications of living in an Internet of Things-infused reality. And for a final flourish, we're teasing out a novel YouTube business model turning heads, where social media clout trumps traditional monetization. Tune in for an episode that's part technological odyssey, part holiday heartwarmer.
If you enjoy our episode's content, come check us out on twitter @KDratiopodcast, YouTube as The KD Ratio Podcast! or on Instagram KDratiopodcast
This episode was pulled directly from our livestream over on YouTube. Come check us out!
The following description was written by A.I.
Get ready to unwrap the warmth of holiday traditions and the chill of cybersecurity in gaming as we blend the festive with the factual. The latest podcast episode is your cozy corner for Christmas Eve nostalgia, complete with family gatherings, the Harry Potter marathon charm, and why these moments beat the big day. But as the eggnog flows, we're also serving up a sobering look at Insomniac Games' data breach, laying bare the hefty weight it places on fans' expectations and developers' shoulders.
Strap in for a sleigh ride into the darker corners of the gaming world, where the Grand Theft Auto 6 leak looms like a ghost of Christmas yet-to-come. We navigate the murky waters of hacking motivations and their tidal effects on companies like Insomniac Games, all while dissecting Sony's bold stance against a ransom in Bitcoin. We're not here just to alarm; we're aiming to equip you with the insight needed to understand these digital disruptions.
Lighten the mood as we debate the geek vs. nerd lexicon before venturing into the automated wonderland of smart homes. Fancy a health-analyzing toilet or a porch light that knows night from day? We're chatting firsthand experiences and the implications of living in an Internet of Things-infused reality. And for a final flourish, we're teasing out a novel YouTube business model turning heads, where social media clout trumps traditional monetization. Tune in for an episode that's part technological odyssey, part holiday heartwarmer.
If you enjoy our episode's content, come check us out on twitter @KDratiopodcast, YouTube as The KD Ratio Podcast! or on Instagram KDratiopodcast
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Speaker 2:Hello, we're live. Gentlemen, merry Christmas. We are on the Throws of a beautiful holiday. How we feeling, feeling great. Yeah, what are we doing for Christmas traditions? What's what's on the docket for the boys?
Speaker 1:Um, I mean, I don't really. The only tradition I really have is open one present on Christmas Eve. Okay, that's the only one.
Speaker 2:Okay, I have like a whole thing where my family gets like Christmas Eve was always the big, was always the big Christmas day, like that was like our Christmas day, because that was when we got gifts from the rest of the family. Everybody would get together, we would jam out and then Jam out exactly.
Speaker 2:Keep it loose, keep it rocking on and we would yeah, we'd have fun. I always look forward to Christmas Eve the most. I always felt like when Christmas Day happened it was like kind of already over Chris. Christmas Eve was so special. But have family that comes into town and we basically hang out all week between Christmas eat, christmas eat, or Christmas Day and New Year's Day, and it's just awesome time. I look forward to it every year. It's like the best. It's like work slows down a little bit, get time with the family. There's events every single day. Stuff's going on. Just feels really like a lot of fun, I love it.
Speaker 3:I always take Christmas to New Year's off every year, and Only thing that we've been kind of doing like as a tradition lately is Every Christmas to New Year's. My wife and her family are all big like Harry Potter fans, so we watch every every movie Like we'd be. In that time I usually fall asleep.
Speaker 1:That's a lot of movie.
Speaker 3:But I, regardless. I don't fall asleep because I'm bored, is. I Like sleeping and I don't get much chance to do it unless I'm on vacation.
Speaker 2:So damn, that is a lot of movie to get through. Yeah, we don't do it. One day I mean, oh you're like to.
Speaker 3:That's why it takes all week.
Speaker 2:So I thought it was all one day. That's what I thought. If they just hammered through, started eight in the morning like 15. Lord of the Rings marathon sit back down. You can't leave yet you can't handle the truth. Yeah, that sounds like fun. I like that, I like the, the little traditions. You off again this year. Yep, that's fun. What about?
Speaker 1:you, you working through. I'm off on Christmas and I believe I get out early Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2:Oh, See at the actual work Christmas Eve or I might have it off. Okay, I have to read. You must be really invested.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm with Christmas Eve Sunday.
Speaker 2:See.
Speaker 3:Sunday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, christmas Day is.
Speaker 3:Anyway, so.
Speaker 1:I have Sunday off. Good, good man, good man.
Speaker 2:He has no idea what he's talking about. He has no idea what day of the week it is. What does he do with his hands?
Speaker 1:It is Wednesday, right.
Speaker 2:Today is the big day. Today is the day we're announcing it today is the day that we host a podcast that is also a live stream primarily a live stream that we so thoroughly enjoy. Oh yeah, well, so let's jump into some of our topics. Today, there was obviously the enormous insomniac leaks that I've heard. Why not? Since you're such a, since both you guys are such spider-man, sam's, why don't you talk about it?
Speaker 1:So there was I did for?
Speaker 2:what are your thoughts on the on the attack itself?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so. To give context, 1.6 terabytes of Data was taken from insomniac games.
Speaker 2:So like one 8k video that taken with an iPhone.
Speaker 1:But all files. But they, a hacker group, took it, held it for ransom and I guess insomniac said no.
Speaker 1:Good for them, you and then the hacker group released it. They held up on there on their threat, and so now out there there's a whole leak of like insomniacs next up until 2030. They're plans for future games, they're Financials, sony's financials. It's very, it's very crazy. I think it's sad I mean just because I think we were talking about it a little bit before the podcast but I think a Bunch of issues are now going to come into play where people have expectations and the thing is is insomniac. A lot of these ideas are just that they're just ideas. None of them are concrete, because that's that's why they haven't announced. It is because they're still just spitballing, yeah, and so I think I Hope we don't, but I think there is a possibility that that a lot of people can get expectations built up and then get Disappointed or just get mad at insomniac.
Speaker 3:Yeah, has insomniac. Release a statement. I Don't know on this specifically like let me try and look. I think I Don't know I I don't really have a lot of respect for I Mean it's, it's, it really is just criminal activity. When people are like hacking, like for those types of reasons.
Speaker 3:Yeah it's like there's gray area because a lot of hackers. It's important to have them, depending on what you're basically using your powers for. You know if you will, but Half the time it's just like there's nothing moral about this of what these people are doing like they're. It's just they're just trying to, you know, blackmail for for money.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's like that's really all it is. So it's kind of hard to justify a hacker doing like. Every now and then a hacker will use some kind of like veil of I'm doing this is like an anti-hero type thing, but like that's not it's hardly a game. Yeah, that's hardly ever the actual case. Yeah, like you just wanted. Like it's like the GTA 6 hacker that they finally caught him. Like have you seen this kid?
Speaker 2:Oh yes.
Speaker 3:That's what they usually are like. It's a random kid somewhere like 17 years old that has way too much time in their hands like had a dumb idea and it somehow it worked.
Speaker 3:Yeah. But that being said, it's kind of, now that the data is out there, I mean it's kind of cool to see, like, where they're going, what they kind of, what their roadmap is. But If you're a fan of insomnia, at this point you take everything you see with a grain of salt. I mean there could be course corrections, there could be all kinds of things that are gonna happen now, especially after this. Oh, oh, they're not gonna. Just, you know, then a lot of this was concept, you know. So like it's very likely that Well, I mean some of the stuff is already really close being done, like Wolverine, you know that kind of thing. But like 20, 30 there, the games that they're talking like there's a possibility we might not even get an X-Men game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know it's all over in doesn't do good Therefore therefore, that doesn't do good, like it's just you know I.
Speaker 3:And then what Dylan said is like people are gonna get expectations. I'll be mad at them for not releasing something. It's like, no, they never actually even announced this. They could do whatever they want, like hundred percent like this.
Speaker 2:We're talking seven years out. So there's been Any company worth their salt's gonna have an internal roadmap of sort of where they want to go and the Projects that they want to accomplish right from, you know, a revenue standpoint. So you know, I don't think a lot of the leaks were, were sort of that right, at least that people cared about. I was like, okay, we're gonna come out with these games, that's you know at this point or whatever, but who's to say that they don't have some massive hit that they, you know, release in two years, that all of a sudden they go, you know what.
Speaker 2:Let's pivot and let's do a sequel, or yeah, and we'll just bump this timeline out or maybe we'll just cancel this stuff. Like a lot of the leaking, like a lot of the leak stuff. Like I feel like can maybe it shows you the inner workings of the company in terms of how they build concept art and stuff like that. We were kind of looking at it before before we jumped on here. It was kind of interesting to see how, how they kind of formulated everything and I thought it was interesting. I thought it was really kind of an interesting way of they would just take like real life photos of things that Kind of inspired them or what the what they're trying to go for in terms like a game vision, and kind of put that together in like a cohesive Kind of PowerPoint presentation of this is, you know, in in this setting. I want to have this kind of look and feel to it. I want to have this look and feel to it. So it's kind of interesting to get like the behind the the scenes, but I don't think there's really any actionable information here that people need to start like building height for stuff. Like at the end day Kyle hit the nail on the head here Like this was criminal activity, it was a leak, it wasn't anything to be announced, and I think the best thing. But we also have to remember that, like insomniac, I think you have to recognize it's out there. So now it's it's.
Speaker 2:You can't like GTA. I think didn't they fight it for so long of trying to like not talk about it or, yeah, suppress it or whatever. I think you've just got to steer into it and just be like you know what it's out, make a couple jokes, make it, have a Meet, have your media team and your social media team, just hit the nail on the head and be like you know, make some jokes about it. I Think the response to not give in to the ransomware is the perfect idea and have fun with it. And then Also it have like some undertones of like setting expectations that hey guys, you know, maybe you call together like a. You know like they do those fireside chats with like Diablo. Maybe you do something like that with like the entire senior team there. I don't know who they are, if they even ever public face they do they do?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you'd be kind of interesting to sit down and be like. You know, I have a couple of memes, have some fun with it, but then just kind of level set with everybody like guys, this is let's have a, let's have a moment here. This is very theoretical like that. We are having these discussions and we're just trying to talk it out, so oh you can.
Speaker 3:I mean they're probably, honestly they're.
Speaker 2:They've probably been in a meeting all day 100 probably still right, as we're talking about damage, damage control, damage as we're talking about this.
Speaker 3:They're probably are they're talking about it at the same time right now about what? They're gonna do and they'll have a plan in place.
Speaker 2:I'm not worried about them as a company after this and I'll tell you, right now too, all of this company's Insomniacs competitors are having meetings about this because, like in at least in my industry, which I'm a kind of actually tend to be involved in the gaming industry when, when there's like a case of fraud or something like this happens, we have all hands on deck, sit down, we discuss what our plan would be if this was happening to us, and it's like a very real conversation. So I think the best thing for insomniac to do is damage control, understand what happened, don't fight it and then maybe just level set with everybody so that you don't let expectations Spiral out of control but, have fun with it, don't, don't you?
Speaker 2:I think they did the right thing by not giving it to the ransomware.
Speaker 1:So so I have more information here about the actual ransom. So they requested it was by hacking ransomware group rice Eda. They requested 50 Bitcoin roughly 2 million from Sony within seven days and Sony said nah. And then I Guess somebody from cyber daily. Reached out to recita and learn the ransomware group Specifically targeted insomniac games, and they said, yes, we knew who we were attacking. And then recita spokesperson told the publication over email that its motivation was just financial.
Speaker 3:So they're not even trying to disguise it as anything but being dicks.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Why would it be anything other than that?
Speaker 3:Usually they, these hackers, will like. They'll spin a story, they'll spin a web of like corporate corporate greed we're. We're teaching them that they're not above us and, like you know, Capitalism must fall. Like you know, they try and do some shit like that like people that the guy that hacked or the group that hacked CD project read After their like Disaster of a launch. They were like we're doing this to teach them a lesson that they can't fuck us over anymore. We demand X amount of money like no.
Speaker 3:Like you are not fucking like hacking. Cd project read as like has as a virtuous, like you know, like you just found an opportunity for, to get public on your side and get some money out of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what a joke. I just yeah, I don't know the. I Think also too. You know, there's obviously a lot of data that was released and I don't think I mean this just came out today, right so?
Speaker 1:yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't think everybody's had the chance to not everybody, but whoever wants to go through it all and like fully understand it. I don't know if any like other game source code has leaked leaked which that seems more damaging, but this all looks like more of like the business ops operations side of the company than more of like their creative teams, their art teams and their in their actual like development studios. So you know, I don't even know how how relevant some of this information is. I mean, when you're, when you're trying to build like a roadmap out that far and your, your team in particular, might be tasked with I think we saw one right where it was like Ideas for revenue generation and what, what they could target and stuff like that. I feel like you, that team, might have just been tasked with like hey, come up with a couple different models of proposed models that we might be able to do and let's talk about them. You know, Exactly.
Speaker 2:It could have been like how do we monetize? We know we want to create this game. How would we monetize it? Let's get, let's get a couple new creative ideas other than this standard model, and it could have been something as innocent as that and some of the images we were looking at there was like it was clearly like an active piece, that, like they were working through and drawing X's through and stuff.
Speaker 2:So it's like these companies are. They're trying to make decisions like you should, not? I hope people, I know people are, but I hope people aren't just like, oh god that I'm the other 20, 27, it's coming or whatever the other games that people are already foaming at the mouth for, and it's like, let's, let's slow down.
Speaker 1:I've been waiting forever for X-men.
Speaker 2:What they're gonna do, what this game in the next game. And you said it yeah, I saw it. I saw it.
Speaker 3:This doesn't come out, I will kill myself.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, frauds.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like okay, so let's just slow down. Look and Billy, I think a PC build of Wolverine was released. That's tough see. Look at this here. So I don't this, oh man see, that's, that's tough, because so I mean that's. When you click on it says internal PC build and that's the only image there and that looks like a file.
Speaker 2:So that's similar to what happened with GTA 6, right? No, gta 6 had like their full build, I think, leaked, was it? It was actually the source code and stuff, because I think you could see it running on like it was like a footage of Like someone, like like a developer, live testing it and he was seeing, yeah, and remember it looks like shit and everyone's just like wow, the game looks like shit.
Speaker 3:It's not even close to out yet. Why are you thinking?
Speaker 2:this is what it's gonna look like. Anybody who says that has no idea about. Like the process of game development. You design it with the art and like the style and the feel of the game.
Speaker 1:Like last there is this, you two.
Speaker 2:Mechanics and everything first.
Speaker 3:There's this YouTube where I was watching like react to the GTA 6 trailer and he was like, wow, this looks so much better than the leaks. And he's like I'm surprised. Are you serious right now.
Speaker 2:Oh, my god, my god, no, you're proof of concept thing. You're building out like interesting interactions and then what you do is you just Update the art as you go along, like as it gets closer to the end, because that stuff just adds Compiling overhead when you're trying to like, do render test things just adds overhead the computational in time is money you don't need it, doesn't need to be there, so yeah it. I Don't. If that sucks, if they did like leak some of their source code, because that to me is is like all this pre investor presentation bullshit, like that's just noise to me, like that's just that's for garbage data, that any company, you, you could just kind of Assume a lot of this stuff that you see on there.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They did have some interesting formulas on terms of like how they captured, you know, subscriber data and stuff like that, when, and the value of each subscriber. That thought that was kind of interesting. But the source code, that's like intellect to me that's.
Speaker 2:That's like actual, just straight up theft, because that's intellectual property and that's their product, their main 100% and so like, if you, and I think with GTA I think they were really bummed out because there was a lot of source code on the screen and so Now in reality, like are people gonna be able to take that and rip it and like just plug it it? Like the people who are in the people, there's not that many people, like how many people do you think are actually developing games like in the whole world in totality?
Speaker 2:More than five fifty thousand people, hundred thousand, at least Hundred thousand people yeah, I think that's probably like like actually people who would could take that information and leverage it in.
Speaker 3:Especially the dude has a living too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, good point. A lot of indie developers Maybe not, they don't make money they just let you know. So, like, let's say, a hundred thousand people, I maybe it's more, maybe it's way more than I'm just way wrong. But like, I just don't see People watching that leak and going, oh, that's the exact script that I've been waiting for, I need to have that like, maybe it could inspire you and you, you can learn.
Speaker 1:But like, and there's a lot of inspiration there, and even then it's like, kind of, where you were going to is Out of everybody. Who's the actual Percentage of people that would be able to use that PC build?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like.
Speaker 1:To go in there, know what to do with it or even want to go do something with it.
Speaker 2:And if you did rip it off, like I think it would be like blatantly obvious that like no it was.
Speaker 3:There's so much more that goes into a good quality game than just like source code. Source code like it sounds silly, but like you know that's yes, that's a huge part of it. But like you need writers, you need Good concepts, you need like it. You can't just like get that and then make a game that's gonna be just as successful as spider-man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know and maybe and that's actually kind of a good point and maybe that's why GTA 6, I think people were really negative on. That is because In correct me if I'm wrong you guys obviously have much more of diverse games that you've played, but I feel like GTA is just so far and away Ahead of the rest of the competition when it comes to like their, their open world interaction system.
Speaker 2:I feel like it's just better than any game that exists out there, and GTA 6 is probably gonna blow people's minds for another five, ten years Till we get GTA 7, which I'm really looking for.
Speaker 1:No, Spider-Man meets GTA online is what.
Speaker 2:Versus like a game like Wolverine, where it's probably like a very formula. You know, okay, this character can move, he's got this, attacks it like you know what I mean? It's not. There's not a lot of like stuff that's gonna blow your mind from like a programming standpoint like oh my god, how did an engineer figure that out? Versus GTA 6? It's like, okay, that's really impressive.
Speaker 3:Well, they've always said that GTA, the setting is as much a character as the characters and all the GTA games. So I guess it would make more sense for a company like that to like be like damn, yeah you know, but and they have every right.
Speaker 2:I mean, even in this Wolverine case, even though the couple case I just point out they have every right to go after the people that did this and hold them accountable. There's no, no, 100%.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I'm saying you can have the source code, but there's only one. You know, like there's only one in some yak it's like it takes more than just that to make a good game. Yeah, look at all the cyberpunk clones that yeah, there's a million of came out and never, anywhere yeah, cuz they don't have, you know, the heart and soul of CD project red.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know well, I think you said it perfectly like a game is more than the sum of its source code. No you know it's. It's how that world feels and it's all the little things other than just how it runs.
Speaker 3:It takes. It takes an equally intelligent person to utilize that in a way that makes sense. To True, you know like you can have the technology, but if you can't like conceptualize how that's supposed to work in this environment, or whatever you know, you can have every tool in the world, but if you don't know how to use them, you know, what good is it.
Speaker 1:So, yes, it sucks that that happened and it shouldn't have happened, but I don't think that it's gonna ruin them you know, it will be interesting to see whatever their responses, cuz I I tried to look, I didn't see any public response from insomnia.
Speaker 2:They're working on it probably there were.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, they're definitely heads, heads down.
Speaker 2:How exactly it's probably, I bet you, if it was like a, a publicly traded company, like um, or.
Speaker 3:I don't think. I'm not a project. Red has a parent company, so they had to release all their statements themselves. Yeah so like, whereas insomnia has the backing of Sony.
Speaker 2:Sony, yeah, so that that's. That's a great example that I was. I was trying to think of so CD, project red, that happens. Then they have, like this, this ownership, like that they have to step in front of the problem and like that's that Insomniac they might like Sony might just be like, just swallow it, we're good, just keep moving.
Speaker 3:Sony's no stranger to hacks.
Speaker 2:They're a little bit all the time there's like yeah, we'll just, we'll post the tweet like no anymore, you know, and they just might move on because just somniac does keep doing what you're doing. Yeah, it's so hard to work we're doing great. Sweetie, insomniac doesn't really interface with the public. It's Right because they're they're the development studio.
Speaker 3:They publish their games, they promote, like they'll promote their games, you know, but like they're not.
Speaker 2:But like they're, they're, they're they. They have these ideas. The ideas are Uh, the way that I. I mean every company is probably different but Sony comes in and says, hey, we want you to build this. They build that, sony. Then Uh helps guide that vision and then Supports all their channels for sales and like it. At the end of the day, it's basically Sony's responsibility to push and market and do all that stuff with the game itself. Insomniac is just really the ones that are developing it, right.
Speaker 3:Versus.
Speaker 2:CD project. Right, they were the everything Sony is like. Hey, you built this vision like we will handle the response, and I can see them just being like stay in your lane, we'll handle. We'll deal with the the out, with the response from this.
Speaker 1:I do agree, but I also think Sony the way in the past. They're very developer forward. Like Brian into her is the insomniac spider-man games director and then, uh, god of war, had cori balrog, and they're very, they're not shy to have those people be the spokesperson for the game.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like there's not a Sony rep that's out there talking about the game.
Speaker 3:No, it's the game director. Well, even the Sony reps, if it's like a Sony event, they'll bring them on to talk about it. They won't talk about it themselves. So, like um, I think that in this situation it's very likely that Sony takes over for a hand, like dealing with the fallout of this Um, because I think promoting it is different than like damage control. Um, so I can see a little bit of both of that, I see, I see.
Speaker 3:Okay, either way, whatever they plan on doing, if they, if they're going to handle all of it themselves, they do have the backing of Sony, yeah Um, which is a you know, a very powerful company.
Speaker 1:Sony's going to send Shinobi's after the hacker. Yeah, we've already ordered their. Take a bow.
Speaker 3:So I wouldn't. I'm not too concerned with Sony. I don't even think Sony would give a shit. As long as they keep making good games, what do they care?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like is what it is.
Speaker 2:Hmm, well, I know, did you have a couple more topics that you want to discuss, cause I've got a topic in my back pocket that I want to go through. That'll probably it'll derail this the rest of this episode.
Speaker 3:Low key season two.
Speaker 1:Finally. Have you watched it yet no, damn, you. No, I think we're good. I I would just say that you know, if you want to go find the spoilers and the leaks, go look online. You can find them easily. Um, otherwise, if, if you care about that, avoid them, cause they are pretty big and I mean a lot of it's concept too.
Speaker 3:But save for the Wolverine stuff.
Speaker 1:Cause that's already like almost done, yeah, so and the Wolverine, like there's full on, like the script. There's parts of the script leak, so you could spoil the whole game. So I just say, keep an eye out. If that's, if that's important to you, you might want to avoid that kind of stuff for now, cause it's definitely out there, okay, well, otherwise, I'm ready.
Speaker 2:Billy or do the concluding thoughts. Okay, this is a wrong taking us. This is removing us a little bit from the the geek verse. Well, the geek is like people who are in a comics right and nerds are like book smart, like it changes depending on who you ask, it doesn't matter. Okay, so the geek verse Geek, I always assumed geek was a little bit more like.
Speaker 3:This person is a dork because they're good at math and science and oh, okay, or is it? The other way around. Nerd is like math and science.
Speaker 1:That's how I. That's how I interpret it. Geek is like I always thought was like computer.
Speaker 2:Okay, like geek squad, geek squad.
Speaker 3:What's the? What's the accepted definition? Maybe we're, I mean, I think we're a little both, but chat.
Speaker 2:What do you think we are? Are we?
Speaker 3:geek, so nerds.
Speaker 2:Oh, dude, we're definitely fucking both. Come on, we're all.
Speaker 1:Are we?
Speaker 2:nerds what.
Speaker 1:Or or neaks, Neaks.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Gerd herd.
Speaker 3:You're our Gerd herd Geeks. According to WikiHow, geeks are fans of something, while nerds are practitioners.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's what. That's how I understood it. Like geeks are people like crazy about comics and stuff I got. And then nerds are like the the engineers, like the the logitist, and like the the I don't know, but interesting it is.
Speaker 3:I don't know, Maybe I've been misusing it this whole time. What?
Speaker 1:I'm glad we do real to figure that out.
Speaker 2:That was important, I'm sure you were going to talk about the record.
Speaker 3:Should we change it to your podcast for all things geek and nerd?
Speaker 2:Everyone's like, oh nerd, All right, this is they're talking about this is, this is this is.
Speaker 1:this is this is this is nasty.
Speaker 2:I'm not here for this. This content's terrible.
Speaker 3:Cause we do tend to be a little more geek on this, this, this podcast, the third, and we're also narcissists, because we stared our logo on the wall right there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just such influence.
Speaker 1:Looks nice.
Speaker 2:Funny. Okay, so I wanted to bring this up actually last week but our episode ran long. Okay, but I have. I don't know that we're out of time. You're right.
Speaker 1:And we'll find us. Don't I can find them the.
Speaker 3:God just give up.
Speaker 2:Um, I have stepped into a world that I did not know. No, it knew exist, existed. Um, that was a hard to do it really was. I have like thinking three sentences ahead and I'm like um get the words out, get a let it flow, all right.
Speaker 3:What is this world?
Speaker 2:Uh, the world of the world of home automation.
Speaker 1:Oh man All right.
Speaker 2:And like the internet of things and I, I have taken a nosedive off the deep end into this world and I am like 0.1%, I'm like I have dipped my pinky toe in this ocean. I have not even I haven't even began to swim and it is. It is that vast and I had no idea this even existed. But before we dive into like the full nitty gritty of what I've been doing, what is your guys's thoughts and opinions on? Just automations in general, like in terms of your everyday life? Um, and things like, uh, you know, uh, al EXA I don't want to say the device name because it might trigger a bunch of stuff for Google or Apple products and stuff that's connected to the internet that you can use your voice for or, you know, triggers when certain things, when you do certain actions, um, depends on what I'm doing.
Speaker 3:I mean, I I'm all for automation if it makes like tasks easier, but more or less it's like I like when it makes um like. For instance, if I were to use like, like Siri, I like that one I know I did.
Speaker 2:four phones just went off and they they called my boss at work.
Speaker 1:That would be hilarious.
Speaker 3:Um, no, I like. I like using things like that when I'm like driving, because I could be a hands free device, I could have it search for music for me, and so that's when automation it makes life easier. Um, I'm not a huge fan of like unnecessary Like. I can't really see myself using that outside of driving outside of you know like so it makes sense in certain situations. Um, if it, but I haven't really found anything where it's made, like my, my professional life easier. It just makes things more convenient, okay.
Speaker 1:Um, I like automation, I like, I like innovating old processes Like, um, I have the Nest thermostat and I'm a big fan of that, and like, the ring doorbell is really cool and I think the the reason I bought those was not for automation as much as the other innovation. Um, so I'm trying to think of something that I I bought just because of the automation, and I don't know how I ever bought anything just because.
Speaker 2:Well, like, does your nest? Does it track your location so that it turns off? It's not running the AC when you're not home, but then when, right when you get home, it turns on the AC it can, but I don't have that.
Speaker 1:You have that.
Speaker 2:I think a lot of people actually turn that off.
Speaker 3:I have pets, so in the summertime they would die if we didn't have anything on.
Speaker 2:What about like uh, do you have like a Roomba or something that like vacuums or mops your floors automatically for you?
Speaker 3:I have a yeah, I have a shark vacuum that that vacuums.
Speaker 2:Do you have that set up like on, as an automatic timer, like when you leave the house it goes on, or does it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I won't lie to you, we generally, for the most part we just prefer to actually vacuum.
Speaker 1:Cause it doesn't do a good job.
Speaker 2:It does a better job than See okay, all right, I won't, yeah, I've yet to find.
Speaker 3:I've yet to find a Roomba. Or, like I watched demonstration, I would do a lot of research. When I bought this thing, and this was supposed to be the best thing they had on the market.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I haven't found anything that.
Speaker 2:Well, you do have a lot of animals, it's better than just a vacuum. I do agree that that the like a traditional vacuum, if you're going to hit it once, will absolutely outclass like a Roomba or whatever.
Speaker 3:And I paid like $750.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, do you have one that like self cleans and stuff?
Speaker 3:Oh my God, wow, self empties it's it's thing and Does it mop or just vacuum. Just vacuum so it maps out the house and so it tells me exactly what path it's taking and it's really cool, but it doesn't do as good a job as just be vacuuming Like Wow. So yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2:I would absolutely agree that, like, when it comes to those robot vacuums, when you, when you vacuum the floor, if you're just doing it once like a handheld, like a regular vacuum will outclass that. But I found that like, if I run it at least every single day, it like gets to a rhythm to where it's like always maintaining we used to have one but it it finally burnt out and then like a long time ago it burnt out and I kind of I miss it a lot.
Speaker 1:Cause. What would you say? Billy is something you bought for automation sake.
Speaker 2:Okay, you want me to jump off that deep end?
Speaker 1:Well, just just for automation, not innovation.
Speaker 2:Well, so Part of this house came with a bunch of automation stuff that I've been kind of figuring out and playing with.
Speaker 3:But that was just a. I didn't buy the house Because yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so my home assistant server that I just bought. So this is, this is the deep end that I'm getting into this world of automations, but I don't think there's any device that I've I've looked for, like, oh, this is going to make my life easier, like I won't have to do that anymore. Um, I think that's like all technology, right, like it just kind of there are more tools than automations, right?
Speaker 2:Like, oh, this makes this easier, but it's not. It's not zero. Now, right, Like I have a smart garage door that I can like open for my phone. It's like, well, I still have to click a button on my phone to open it versus the clicker.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. So there's pros and cons there, but let me, let me introduce you to like what my vision is and what I've stepped into this world, because it's kind of I am learning so much right now. So are you guys familiar with like open source, like open source software? Yeah, so the second largest open source software project behind like Microsoft's visual studio is this home assistant program.
Speaker 2:Um, it's absolutely massive and I had not really ever heard of it, but essentially it's like an operating system, it's like windows, and I have now officially like bought a server and I have flashed it and OS on this OS, on this home assistant OS on the server, and now I run like a local server in my house for to run and manage all of my automations. And I am just now. I don't have like that many devices, but I'm just now getting into like really kind of neat stuff. So I've been playing around with it and it's all like you kind of have to like program it and control these devices, but I'm starting to see like the horizon of where I could take automations and make my life like kind of not much better but cooler.
Speaker 2:Just kind of cooler.
Speaker 2:Just like things that I would have to do, that I don't necessarily have to do, so one like I can. I can set up automation. So I played around with this to where I have a ring doorbell and it has a motion sensor on it and when that motion sensor is triggered, I can turn on the porch light whenever that happens. And it's like I can control all that through my server at my house. So it's not like it's going up to some somebody else's cloud and trying to like reference the internet and then get pushed command back down, like no, I have all the computational power locally, so it's all, it's all within my house.
Speaker 2:And so, like, if the motion, if the motion's detected, the porch light comes on, or you know, every night at like 12 o'clock I have the entire house lock up and then it sends me a report of everything is locked up. Or hey, you, you, this, this is not actually locked up. Um, I have a vision. I just finished my backyard, right, I have this sprinkler controller. Well, I can integrate it with my home assistant and the home assistant tracks weather data so when it rains, I can have my sprinklers not actually turn on and save water that day.
Speaker 3:Interesting and I can have.
Speaker 2:I can start to get into like all these cool automations. Right now I hate my garage lights because when you open the garage door it's so dark but I can put a door sensor on that. Every time it's opened I fire on my my garage lights and so like I'm starting to like kind of come up with these creative ideas of like oh, that would be really cool if I could do this, if I could do that.
Speaker 2:And there's all these like the universe of devices that are like IOT. You know, internet of Things is vast, holy shit. And you go on YouTube and there's like YouTubers with hundreds of thousands of views like regularly on their YouTube channels talking about this stuff. You'll have, you'll have like automations where the people will set up like motion detectors, um and like, depending on where you are in the house, it'll like map out, you know, your, your routine. So if you're sitting at your desk working in your office, it will, it'll adjust the, the lighting depending on where the sun is outside, and so it'll like try to keep a certain amount of no-transcript. We're back, we're back, we're back.
Speaker 2:But I saw another cool idea that this is not a cool idea. This is where people, I think, take it way too far and it's just like you're over it.
Speaker 3:He started so strong. I saw another cool idea. This is not a cool idea. Well, it's cool in a sense like that.
Speaker 2:You can do this, but they put a humidity sensor above their coffee maker so that, as it would, once we finished with coffee and the coffee was radiating moisture. It would then trigger an alert on Alexa to send a message to everybody in the house saying coffee's ready. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:You know and it's like, oh, that's kind of neat, you could do that, but my God, have you taken it too far and stuff like that. But then I see people that have cool blind automations that, depending on what time of day or if they're home or not, the blinds will open up and they'll have natural light coming in and then when it gets dark outside they close them up. People have a bunch of different smart lights where they'll go from warm to daylight, blue when it's early morning, sunlight and stuff, so it's a little more natural feeling and stuff. It is insane, this universe that I've sort of walked into. But I have all the hardware now to basically run this stuff. And now I'm like, ooh, I can do this now, I can do that now. And some of these ideas that I see people have are hilariously over-spec. They're just like why, like the coffee humidity thing, it's like really, are we seriously doing that?
Speaker 1:The house is so big. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like holy shit. And then there's like somewhere you know it sends, like there's so many that are just so useless. I'm like such a practical person. It's like OK, is that actually going to add benefit? Am I going to buy all the devices to actually make that a reality.
Speaker 3:You can set up one to where, every time your house senses you're stressed, it calls your therapist.
Speaker 2:There you go, just live billing. Imagine you could have your just dials out.
Speaker 1:Toilet. Listen to your bowel movements and if it's not regular it calls your doctor it calls your doctor.
Speaker 2:I kind of like that idea. Actually, I wish our totally side. No, I wish our toilets were like constantly testing us for like, hey, you have a spike in protein, your kidneys are failing.
Speaker 1:Like you should go and like hey, you're, you're.
Speaker 2:you have like a high level of high level of sugar in your urine.
Speaker 3:Like you might be diabetic, I believe they do make urine analysis like toilets, like they're extremely like expensive.
Speaker 2:I'm super reasonable concepts of them. I won't point that the reason I brought up the next year at CES.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when we go. The reason I brought up the therapist thing, that actually wasn't cyberpunk. So if you, if you play as Corpo V in the very beginning, like your therapist calls you, and it's like every member of our soccer has these like therapists that are signed to them he's like I detect or my whatever, detected elevated levels of you know, your blood pressure or whatever. And he's like, do you want to talk about that? And you could be like shut the hell up. Like to the therapist as you're flying Jesus.
Speaker 1:But the company is live your mental health in check.
Speaker 2:God, that's.
Speaker 1:I get it in certain aspects. I you know home automation or just automation, I like it, but I just get flashes of like walley. Yeah, everyone's just they can't do anything themselves.
Speaker 3:They don't have any bones anymore.
Speaker 2:They don't walk anymore. They sound like old men.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying in certain aspects, like the coffee thing, that's that's stupid.
Speaker 2:Dude I've seen dude there's been. There was like one where the guy set up a vibration sensor on his like a smart vacuum that would go out so he could kick it and it would go in, like because he wanted to kick his vacuum. Like he would kick it and it would go in vacuum, like because it would sense vibration, and then we'd go and turn on.
Speaker 3:That sounds weird. Yes, get to work, yeah.
Speaker 2:But then there's like other stuff where it's like if you wanted to save on on energy where you know you could basically like if you had an EV we don't really do this in the US, but I think in the EU energy prices are different during the day and so, like because you now have this like local server, you can monitor energy prices and then chart it'll, it'll activate that outlet smartly to where it's like okay, energy is cheapest, now start charging the vehicle and then turn off when the price spikes and stuff like that. There's like things you can kind of control. There it's definitely like a deep end and I'm definitely super new to it and I kind of got. I got on the hook because when I bought the house I have like cool little features that were smart and, as a whole door unlocked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that I kind of missed, and now I have the ability to like control these locally on my terms. No subscription fees.
Speaker 3:I'm running my own server, I'm all for automation when it comes to making things cheaper, making like things more energy efficient, you know that kind of thing. But I, when it comes to automation for like just everyday life in home stuff how much you saving. Yeah, like I, it's not really a big deal to me, like.
Speaker 3:I don't, I can't see myself getting into the you know, getting into this culture very, very hard. That like if I had a vehicle that and they do make vehicles like this but, like you know, an example of automation that I'm all for would be a vehicle that would know exactly how to use your like drive somewhere and how to use the least amount of gas possible to save money. You know, like that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Or even just one that starts at a certain time in the morning.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it knows that it's a Tuesday at 8am, so you're most likely going right to work, so it'll already pre route, like with the GPS stuff, right, like you do on like Teslas and stuff. But I'm going to kind of the exact. I feel like all the examples that a lot of the examples I've seen are more like quirky, like aha, like look at how interesting this is. It's like more interesting, it's like a, it's like a passionate side project that people have and there's kind of cool stuff. There are some very actually practical stuff.
Speaker 2:So for that I don't quite own yet but I want to build into.
Speaker 2:So, for instance, right like the ring, I don't want to pay for rings subscription service, I don't want to store my video files on there and I plan on doing like full security cameras on the outside of the house at some point.
Speaker 2:So what I would like to do then is, now that I have this local server, I could basically capture when there's motion detected that on my ring camera it'll store that 30 seconds of footage and then transfer that file onto, like my network attached, my NAS and save that file there and then, like do a purge of anything that's over, you know, six months old or something like that, and so that way I can save like any data that I wanted to on like any of my video feeds, and it'll handle all that like transfer of data automatically. There's stuff like that that you can automate the lights, like I was talking about having it come on and on, like before my porch light, which is on 100% of the time, but now I can kind of control it with the sunset. So there's there's like some efficiency gains, but I feel like everything like 90% of it is just pure quirkiness stuff that I believe it's like you know your, your phone all phones now are generally have.
Speaker 3:The setting of brightness is adaptive. It changes based on like where you, how bright it needs to be. So even things like you know having that, like like on your TV, or like you know that like your monitor, your laptop, like like that type of automation, like I can get behind but like I do think that, um, especially like the coffee thing, or like getting to the point where you never have to get out of bed, you know it can get real real crazy.
Speaker 2:People connect their uh, you know they're like sit, stand desk for this stuff, so then it'll like every 30 minutes it forces you to stand up and stuff.
Speaker 2:So it's like you know, instead of time to stand up, yeah, it's like, instead of trying to remember for it, it just forces you to just stand up. So it's kind of. I think a lot of those are like quirky or. And then there's stuff that might be real, Like you have like humidity sensor, um, that will turn on a bathroom fan if somebody starts taking a shower or that.
Speaker 3:Oh, it smells so bad it's like a sniffer.
Speaker 2:Somehow I can detect Methane gas.
Speaker 1:It knows.
Speaker 2:But there's like, like I just was uh learning about like my furnace and I have a float sensor in my secondary condensation drain line in there that basically floats and it'll turn off and I'll go to my thermostat and that's how I'll know something's wrong with it. But like you can make that uh an IOT device where basically, if that occurs, you can then know exactly what the problem is, other than just cutting the power to your thermostat and just saying, well, you're fucked. You could know like oh hey, I have a drain issue, like my condensation line is overflowing. So I'm kind of in this weird world of like I'm like the very practical. I love the idea of being able to, if it's raining or a cloudy day, maybe I run my spink growers for 50% of the time and save on some water, right, I love like those kinds of efficiency gains just from like a you know, an earthling using less resources. That's like a good thing.
Speaker 2:But there's just like you know, but I'm also not going to be the guy that like All right, when I leave my house, I need to have six notifications triggered. I want all the lights turned off and then the garage needs to close three quarters the way you know. And all this ridiculous like no, but let's, let's not do you guys remember movie smart house? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, at what point do we get that?
Speaker 3:I Think, I will point we lose who we are.
Speaker 2:I feel like that comes right when we have like something that has opposable thumbs and can learn. I Can't wait for a robot that can just cook dinner that I could be like, hey, chop these vegetables. Like, follow this recipe online. The instructions are right there, you stupid robot. Figure it out.
Speaker 1:But yes, master, sorry master, but like that would don't make me get.
Speaker 2:That's how you solve health issues in America is you have a fucking robot. Seriously, if you imagine, do you know how many times people just eat out because, like each shitty fast food, you know not that, like we ever do that or anything but? But like because they don't have the time to cook. That you always hear like I just, I love cooking, but I don't have the time. Yeah, well, now you don't. Now you could be like hey, these are the. Here's the recipes I want to make this week. Get to work robots you know, make them, or whatever.
Speaker 3:Are we automating our lives? Are we fast-forwarding our demise?
Speaker 1:Hey man, I Think it's cool, though I think it's cool. It's almost like you're turning your house into a computer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if then, and yeah, exactly if then. Statements essentially is what I'm doing, and it Phone Rock in the well, I totally, totally accept, like I'm having fun with it, I'm.
Speaker 1:You know it would be a good idea. Hit me, learn all about this stuff. Start a business Installing that for rich a-holes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the reason so I had heard about this Years ago because my old boss, my old boss had this too late, so he had. He had it set up where his whole hallways. If you got up in the middle of night to take a piss, motion sensors would kick on and they would kick on these, like these special lights at the base of his how like an airplane exactly, so it would light up, so it didn't blind you, but you could also see where you're.
Speaker 2:It was lit up just enough to work and wouldn't wake you like it was, especially like the way he, the way he pitched, it was like it was like he sold it.
Speaker 1:But it was like this special frequency where it didn't didn't like.
Speaker 2:Deplete melatonin levels in your body.
Speaker 1:Because it was like that color Exactly. You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm tired of waking up and having go pee and then I wake, I need to research and invest Millions and so he built his house around and this is back in like oh four.
Speaker 2:So he was ahead of the curb. This was like yeah, but he has. So then he has all like like sonos's stuff for Smart speakers and like it was actually kind of an interesting, cool house. It's really really like a thoughtful build and but he had like all these little quirky features and so these like people definitely love the magic. But the thing is Same thing. He had like a home server that he ran all these computations on and he himself was not a very technical person, he and his wife and so he was constantly calling out service people to come like fix random shit. That wasn't working.
Speaker 3:You know, when I wake up in the middle of the night like the we when I wake up in the middle of the night, my vision is usually good enough to where I could just leave the lights off. You're a young man.
Speaker 1:You don't have millions of dollars to waste that's true.
Speaker 2:I'd question the way that's so true.
Speaker 2:I'm not a millionaire, god me, I was actually talking with one of my developers from work and he was like he said the exact same thing. He's like you need to start a business. I'm like I know nothing about this, like a barely like learning, but he's like you need to figure this out and then you can, you could sell these services and I'm like how would that look like I'm gonna go around stalling like smart outlets and yeah and light switches and then run like a server in their house and then you know, I call it nerd.
Speaker 1:No, I was gonna say Gerd heard.
Speaker 3:Gerd heard geek nerd.
Speaker 2:There you go. I like it.
Speaker 3:Do people know what Gert Gert?
Speaker 2:sounds like a fucking.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm thinking of like, like, some type of mold, like moldy yogurt, what?
Speaker 1:about the Katie ratio, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think. What's the service to install of this for you? Oh, they're called the Katie ratio.
Speaker 1:Like what.
Speaker 2:Yes, acid reflux flows back to the.
Speaker 3:Gastro esophageal.
Speaker 2:As a reflux, her boy, let's not name a business, but I do think that would be a good business.
Speaker 1:And then, and I think, more, more appropriate I.
Speaker 3:Bet you. There's a lot of people that think that in an area where we are there's a certain little lake they call us the little silicone.
Speaker 2:Yeah the little big lake.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that lake.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of interested clientele. Yeah, that just barely lived. But how do you like sell them an automation like I can turn on your porch light automatically at night, like they're not like, or I can. Every time you walk into this room, these lights will kick on, you know like you have to be good at their life.
Speaker 3:You either have to be very good at being adored or salesman, or we have to be extremely good at social media.
Speaker 2:Do you guys need any home automation? No, okay, bye, I'm not fucking knocking. You can have a website market. It be reasonable.
Speaker 3:Do you underestimate the power?
Speaker 2:Why do you?
Speaker 3:think people still do it because it works. I would want to do it Not.
Speaker 2:What a fucking knock on doors.
Speaker 3:Well, maybe I have an idea here. You have to be good at social media.
Speaker 2:I'm a rockstar. So, sure, clearly we are.
Speaker 3:I tweet once a month. How do we not have millions of followers?
Speaker 2:But it. But when you think about, like all the open source tools that we've used, this is the second most project, and you guys have never even heard of home assistant, right, have you? Know no it's, yes, it's just no, it is like, it is like it. I love this about like the internet because you can. It's a portal and you walk through it. You're like, holy fuck, what is this?
Speaker 2:You don't even know where to start and you just kind of like you get caught up in it. You're like, oh, this is really interesting. And now I've got like a couple things built. I got a I'll show you guys after this got like a whole dashboard where I can control my thermostat and like all the basics.
Speaker 1:I'm not interested at all. Please don't show me.
Speaker 3:Fucking dare you be passionate about something?
Speaker 2:you piece of shit I ooze passion about, like everything, and then in two months I'll be like oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, did you guys listen to our own crimes?
Speaker 3:So this doesn't have anything to do with automation, but I found it very interesting this person's business model on YouTube. He's a landscaper and he has a YouTube? Channel with like somewhere like 2.5 million subscribers, and he doesn't charge his clients anything, so he makes money solely off of his social is his YouTube channel? What's?
Speaker 2:the name of that one Like GB.
Speaker 3:I forget the name something.
Speaker 2:I know which one you're talking about.
Speaker 3:He doesn't charge him anything, but he has so much viewers that he can do that work for free and people love to watch him landscape.
Speaker 2:I've watched 40 minute videos of him just shoveling sod.
Speaker 3:It's such an odd business model that he doesn't. He does this for free and he makes money completely off of the YouTube videos.
Speaker 1:Well it's. It's like playing on that, you know the power washing. Like Some people get a lot of satisfaction out of watching Something get cleaned. Yeah, it's kind of like ASMR.
Speaker 2:Yeah, be a little but I feel like If I, if we were to sell this to somebody, I think at a basic there is like cool stuff you could have, like you can make all the light switches in the house like a smart device to where you Basically it from the, from the power of their phone, or like a tablet. They could turn off all the lights on the house right from like one button. Boom, I'm going to bed, turn off all the lights and it kills all lights. So like I feel like there's basic things that would be like people would be like oh, I would love that. I know I'm old, in my back hurts and I don't want to walk a thousand square feet, you know, over there to click that light switch. I'd like to hit a button All right, cool, easy enough. And then it's like I'm gonna sex button and he hit it and it's like all the lights dim, knock.
Speaker 3:I don't have the copyright I never connected it to your Spotify. So sorry you're saying that in the audio for this.
Speaker 2:I only was able to pre-record like a thousand songs. So you guys, shitty knockoff, singing into this.
Speaker 3:I spent weeks Recording all of these acapella just me for only five dollars a month you can have my, I would mark to old people and disabled people.
Speaker 2:Oh, great point, like if they forgot to turn off and they leave it. Yeah, so that's a great point they actually had. Just like I said, they have motion detection stuff. They have fall detection sensors that you could, you can install and it basically it will alert you when it detects somebody who, somebody that may have felt ball fallen fall fell fell life alert you. No, it's not even like life alert, it's like it literally a sensor you can have on a shelf.
Speaker 1:Is it like an?
Speaker 2:earthquake detector. I have no idea how it works. I've been tracking them.
Speaker 3:There's no movement and they're on the floor.
Speaker 2:It's like it's like an actual guy just watching a camera, like fucking. This old lady fell. Fine. I've been watching her for a hundred thousand hours. Finally fucking fell. All right, graham is down. Graham is down.
Speaker 3:There's some guy in the chair watching like hundreds of houses yeah, I'm gonna die. What a terrible job that would be. That'd be the worst.
Speaker 1:But I do think it would be a good job, good job idea Maybe because I bet you make a lot of money. I'm sure there's people out there. I think my personality's good enough.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, in order to be successful in anything, you have to be really, really good at it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so get good at it or just feel I'll, I'll do the door to door since you guys don't want to, I'll do the door to door, door to door, I'll do it. If you get good at it, kyle can be in charge of.
Speaker 3:Getting 10% without doing anything.
Speaker 1:My brother will be forever. Obviously I'm not A whiz on so second technical aspect door to door salesman.
Speaker 3:So you'll get to door to door salesman and then when they ask us how do we install it, you're not there. So we just say trust us, we know a guy.
Speaker 1:We got. We'll have one of our technicians come down take a look at it. Okay, and what we?
Speaker 2:could do is we could build a whole model and then have a subscription service to where, like, if they ever wanted to add and modern Automations, they can call us so we could do it, or we can help manage their home if anything goes wrong.
Speaker 3:Just say I'll manage the only fans just do it naked. This is Z wave device.
Speaker 1:Don't mind my penis as you can see, we install it like so.
Speaker 3:When you click here we'll have the same model as that landscaper we only charge the clients. We'll just make money off of the only thing.
Speaker 2:People get an entire home full of smart tech. We didn't charge them anything. We're only doing it to rich communities, we don't charge them anything.
Speaker 3:We don't charge them anything because we think we're going to make so much money. 18 views. I'm going to say this and I made 35 cents. I just bought $10,000 worth of equipment for the size.
Speaker 1:That's a hell of a video title. They offered me 20,000. I took out a second on my home for this.
Speaker 3:I just don't even know how that would.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, there's a lot to talk about.
Speaker 3:There's so much more to running a business than just the product as well, though, too.
Speaker 2:There'd be, a lot of hurdles and challenges. I feel like most of the fee incursion to a client would be the consulting side of it. What do you want? What would you need? Then you could sell that. Then you do the install?
Speaker 3:You have to calculate how much. What is your time worth?
Speaker 2:How is that?
Speaker 3:fair for the customer? How are you going to do this? You wouldn't be able to charge that much at first until you grew. You'd be able to charge more and more as you became more prominent. There's a lot that would go into it. You have quite a history with finance and then tech.
Speaker 2:That whole business side of it is a whole other ballgame.
Speaker 3:It's not just a matter of just being good at it too, I guess it's a matter of running a business.
Speaker 2:I'm a CEO.
Speaker 3:Definitely possible.
Speaker 2:Read it on my title I'm a CEO.
Speaker 3:That's why you need to buy my product.
Speaker 2:Entrepreneur, I'm going to automate the shit out of this place People used to say I'm the backbone of this economy. Nobody ever says that shit anymore. That's a deadline.
Speaker 3:I felt like I heard that all the time in movies and pop culture.
Speaker 2:That's so cringy man. I still see that shit when people get pulled over by a cop and there will be some cop footage. Do you know who I am? I run this town or I run this county. Did you just actually say that and mean?
Speaker 3:it Working in banking. I hear do you know who I am? At least twice a day. At least twice a day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're the guy that got a dumb, dumb sucker last time. Did you want another Did? You want the raspberry flavor this time. Do you know who I am? What the fuck does that?
Speaker 3:I would never pull that, no matter how powerful I became.
Speaker 2:Barack Obama. I'm not saying do you know who I am?
Speaker 3:Oh shit it's, william it's.
Speaker 2:William Obama, william.
Speaker 3:Obama, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1:Please forgive me, I'll do anything, if you just don't I tell people to add on a daily basis?
Speaker 3:I go get a bagel.
Speaker 1:They charge me full price and I'm like. You know who I am.
Speaker 2:Do you?
Speaker 1:know who I am Do you know who I am.
Speaker 2:You get an accident all of a sudden. I work. You get that very end of an interaction Like wait a minute, Do you know who I am, Like you didn't talk.
Speaker 3:I've been in New York for this whole time.
Speaker 2:No, no, no Georgia.
Speaker 3:Molder.
Speaker 2:This motherfucker. You don't know who I am. You tell him there's nobody. Nobody comes over, you're just talking to yourself. You know, like a parrot on your shoulder, georgia.
Speaker 3:You take off one hat, put it in another Georgia. Hey, I heard you talking to my boss I heard you don't know who he is. It's like totally different. Vibe Happy, go lucky.
Speaker 1:It's me, mario Julia Georgia.
Speaker 3:Subtle hints of racism Get thrown in a mental asylum after one interaction trying to pull the. Do you know who I am? We got him.
Speaker 2:He's going down.
Speaker 3:This is how, off the walls, we used to get on our podcasts. What happened?
Speaker 1:I think we know we still, we still do. I feel like anything were worse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would agree with that. I don't know, we used to have an agenda with topics and not even topics, but like we would have, you know, games we spent.
Speaker 3:Yeah, thank you, I know, but can we? I mean, we once spent like in like 10 minutes debating on how we would like have sex with King Kong.
Speaker 2:Do you remember?
Speaker 1:We did. It was during the Mary fuck kill.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that we, you, I remember you were even reenacting, like all the hair you would have to chop through to get to.
Speaker 2:I'm coming for you, King.
Speaker 3:So that's how yeah, that's how you used to. So I think we're a little bit more contained now than we used to be.
Speaker 1:Should we bring? Should bring one back?
Speaker 2:I feel like we have to maybe go back one episode to find something equally as cringe as absurd.
Speaker 3:What are we talking about?
Speaker 1:last episode, I feel it was pretty straightforward but it was like two episodes ago when we were at hand, when we did the shot of absent before. I thought that that wasn't unhinged.
Speaker 3:It was a little loose, you know, a little fun, but we didn't go crazy. We did hot ones. That was just us whining. I cried on camera Milk, milk. We made a music video that will never see lighted day.
Speaker 1:I've already spread it to the internet Nice.
Speaker 2:Sweet Rock growth Rock.
Speaker 3:Enormous.
Speaker 2:Growth, gearthy growth.
Speaker 3:Are these sound bites? What?
Speaker 1:are you? What's going on?
Speaker 3:We're growing. We're a rod dog in growth.
Speaker 1:We're growing out of shore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely not. We started small and now we're growing into our own.
Speaker 3:We're growing into our own. We're making our dad's brain. I think all three of our fathers would be a little put off if they were to be a part of our own.
Speaker 2:My dad's filing paperwork right now to take me out of the will. Can you emancipate a grown ass man? My son's 30.
Speaker 3:I don't want to be a part of my good family name anymore.
Speaker 2:You can't do that after 18. What a weird. I think signing yourself out of your family that's wild Declaring that you're independent of. I don't think that that happens in today's world that much.
Speaker 1:I think it does.
Speaker 3:I worked with someone that did that. They were like 25 when they told me but they emancipated when they were 16 or something like that. But there has to be very specific things in place for it to happen. Usually it's like a case of abuse, neglect or something like that, or they just need their own signing power.
Speaker 2:They do it a lot in small towns.
Speaker 3:There's like 14 year olds that can get driver's licenses depending on where they live.
Speaker 2:You can't get your family out of the house, whatever, because some illness, whatever. So you need to set up a bank account. I see it, I'll see it Insomniac. Good on you for not turning into that ransomware. 2 million, 50 Bitcoin Crazy. That 50 Bitcoin is 2 million. I don't really understand how that thing is priced.
Speaker 3:I don't think anyone really does. They just pretend they do.
Speaker 2:I'm not even exaggerating. Hundreds of hours trying to understand that. And FTs, cryptocurrency markets, different crypto exchanges, the validity of exchanges? For sure, you just clip a fee every time there's an exchange. That happens, I get that, and then they just have to validate the transaction. Sure, but the coin itself I don't know.
Speaker 3:It's like that quote from Wolf of Wall Street, Rule number one no one really knows what's actually going to happen. It doesn't matter as long as you get their money in your pocket.
Speaker 2:The scary thing is too, especially in 2008,. But even still today, things are modeled to a 5 standard deviation. So it's like 5 standard deviations. So basically it's like 99%.
Speaker 1:Billy, we need your finance voice If you're going to talk about finances.
Speaker 2:I've seen it. It's modeled to a 5 standard deviation. When you look at that and you're only looking at the one side of the curve you look at that side of the curve and what you left with is really just a 1% probability of something actually occurring. When you extrapolate that 99.100, that thing doesn't actually occur, but in the one case 2008, that actually occurred, obviously. That actually modeled my models. And big boom, bad, bad, no good, good. And here we are. You're like you're like you're slowly deviating from the voice.
Speaker 3:You're devolving.
Speaker 2:I was more so focused on the content. Big boom bad, bad. Like Boom boom Investments bad.
Speaker 3:I can't wait for the AI that writes the descriptions for our episodes to decipher that Speaking of automation.
Speaker 2:Hey, there you go. That's what we use. We use that. It's kind of cool. It's better than what we could do.
Speaker 3:Sometimes it's a little too much, but I'm okay.
Speaker 1:Let's plug in the consoles, press play so let's hook up the consoles and press play.
Speaker 3:We got to go over last week's description. That's pretty good, too Nice.
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Speaker 2:Ooh, and with that, remember, with a good KD you get the dub.
Speaker 1:Bye.