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Holiday Shopping Solutions, Gaming Awards Grumbles, and Wizarding World Wonders
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Wondering how to spread the Christmas cheer without burning a hole in your pocket? Have a large family but don't know what presents to buy? Dive into our conversation as we share personal anecdotes about the pros and cons of Christmas shopping, and the rising trend of gifting pre-paid Visas. We reveal the less-known drawbacks that these cards bring along, especially when companies use them to pay employees.
We've got a bone to pick with the recent Game Awards show. Get ready for some no-holds-barred critique as we chew into the celebrity-heavy, award-light format. We lament over the discomfortingly short time allocated to speech-making, the anticlimactic announcements, and the seemingly forced reveal of GTA due to a leak. We don't shy away from talking about the future of such events, and how they could learn from the decline of E3. Plus, you won't want to miss our discussion about Cyberpunk 2077's controversial win and the potential for co-op gameplay in Redfall.
Lastly, for the wizarding world enthusiasts, we unpack the rules of wand ownership, with a particular focus on the Elder Wand. We dive into the depths of one of the most powerful objects in the wizarding world, and discuss how the movie adaptations might have missed the mark. We wrap up with an intriguing conversation on the Japanese Godzilla film, "Godzilla: Singular Point" and how it stands out from its American counterparts. Listen in as we navigate through time zones, daylight savings, and the satisfaction over knowing the correct Pacific Time. So, are you excited? Buckle up, because we're going on a roller coaster ride of topics!
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Countdown to Christmas and Gift Cards
Speaker 1Oh, and we are live. Gentlemen, it is the 12th of December. We are finally into the countdown for Christmas.
Speaker 2How we feeling just now Are the gifts?
Speaker 1Yeah, twelve days of Christmas? Well, I don't want.
Speaker 2I mean, you've been Countdown Christmas since November 1st.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean no Halloween, I mean shit On it. Let's be real. Fourth of July, Shit. Fourth of July, I love.
Speaker 4Christmas.
Speaker 1Christmas. I got gifts already wrapped out of the tree. The last shipment of gifts have come in. I'm ready to rock and roll boys, you.
Speaker 1Well, yeah sure You've got it. You have a big family, is your list of people you have to get gifts for long. I mean like, how do you, how do you guys balance it? Because it started to get, especially once cousins started having kids, that we actually had to just say no more gifts. The way we're doing it. We did like the Elster thing. We did this one person and you get a get them a gift for 150 bucks and it was like so you, they get a really good quality gift, something that they actually want, because inflation Happens 150 bucks per person?
Speaker 2Yes, you only have one person I know, but that's that's oh, you mean like in the whole family and the whole family, everyone participates.
Speaker 1You get assigned randomly one person.
Speaker 3That you get that one gift for.
Speaker 2So, instead of spending six hundred dollars for everybody, $150 per person you know, we have like.
Speaker 1Yeah, essentially. Yeah, the Elster helps you, helps you do that. Yeah, it basically manages like the who you get assigned to and nobody knows.
Speaker 2What happened to just Santa Claus?
Speaker 1What happened to the secret?
Speaker 3Santa, just take some paper, rip it up.
Speaker 1You literally don't have, because now you're littering.
Speaker 3Now you don't care about you, about that, if you eat the paper if you eat the paper then your colon screams is called paper cuts.
Speaker 2I got. I got the paper guts. I'm pretty sure it would get moist on the way down.
Speaker 1I think it would stop losing its slicing ability, then you clearly have not eaten your fair share of paper.
Speaker 2Oh, I've eaten plenty of paper I eat money, I'm rich.
Speaker 1I chew on the wood.
Speaker 3So before it's even paper.
Speaker 2I've had my fair share of wood.
Speaker 1I like some wood.
Speaker 2How much wood could a wood chuck?
Speaker 1chuck If it would get. How much wood could a Wilch suck suck? Just kidding. How much wood could a Wilch suck, suck If a Wilch suck could suck wood. Give or take how much? None, I can't.
Speaker 2The right amount of money, I could do anything. That's right Anyway, right motivation.
Speaker 1So Christmas big time around this year. I love this stuff. I love it. I look forward to it. Family getting together means the world, and I love getting gifts. I love giving gifts. It's fun. It's a lot of fun, especially now.
Speaker 2We got a lot of kids in the family, so luckily I have a very organized and methodical partner, amen, who handles this kind of thing much better than me. I'm the kind of person that, like if I work. Christmas Eve then like oh, I'm off early today, I'll just do my Christmas shopping on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1That's how I've always been my whole life. Are you also the same dude that walks around the store as going what's a pomer? These people have to work on Christmas Eve and you're shopping there, yes, as.
Speaker 2I'm shopping.
Speaker 3I don't do that because I've always worked Christmas here.
Speaker 1I used to work in restaurants and it was like people come out on Christmas.
Speaker 2Oh you're really here. I'll have the number nine.
Speaker 1The shame. Can I have another napkin please?
Speaker 4Oh.
Speaker 3God all right.
Speaker 2Like you are the reason why but yeah, I've always been very last minute about everything and I was also like for the longest time just the lame like gift cards for everybody.
Speaker 4Hey got you a gift card, a Panera bread.
Speaker 2You just spend wisely and like there's $7.82 on here. Oh yeah, somebody used it already, but there's still $7 left.
Speaker 1That's for you. How much of a scam are gift cards? What percent of gift?
Speaker 2cards, do you think actually get used?
Speaker 1Well, they're involved in like 90% of scams Seriously, but like what percent of gift cards do you guys think actually get used? Like, if a company sells a million dollars with a gift cards, how much are they actually going to get redeemed?
Speaker 3Well, that's why a lot of when I worked at the bank and Kyle can talk about it too is a lot of these businesses will pay their employees and gift cards knowing that, like some of it, they aren't going to be able to spend exactly down to the scent. So it comes back to them and so stupid.
Speaker 1So they give you a gift card to their own business.
Speaker 3Yeah, they get paid with a gift card.
Speaker 2There's so their own company though. No, no, no, it's a prepaid visa. There's so many companies that are paying their employees out now with prepaid visas and it's where, like, they have to come in like, try and do like a cash advance off it to get money off of it, and sometimes it charges a fee. And I'm like why does your company like, do you have an option? Like, oh no, that we have to get paid like this? I'm like that's the shittiest deal.
Speaker 1They're normal, not Christmas bonus or like their paycheck is a new debit card or whatever new card every time.
Speaker 3I think it's usually just one.
Speaker 1They reload the same card, so it's like a pay card, but um, and the idea is that if they try and take cash off of it and like they also own the bank that manages that, like what the hell is that. Probably. What is the benefit for that?
Speaker 2I can't think of a specific company that does that, but we saw it a lot, but I could see like if you were if you were, I bet you it's closer to like 70% get redeemed.
Speaker 1Like if you sell a million dollars worth of of gift cards that your, your company acts, your Walmart or whatever. You sell a million dollars worth of Walmart gift cards, you probably only have to provide $700,000 worth of goods and services. I bet you 30% of them get lost in a drawer somewhere, get thrown out. Oh, but I use this already. I'm not kidding you. My wife went when we first started dating. She had she would throw all her, her, she would throw all of her gift cards into like a this, like glass bottle. We went through it and she called up like years later she had like something like $800 worth of gift cards.
Speaker 4Wow.
Speaker 1She still, to this day, has hundreds of dollars on that shit and it's just, it's like lost forever. Meanwhile, I look around. I am like the guy if I get a gift card, it's like I owe that person the responsibility of getting something with that. I don't know what it is, but it's like if you give me a gift card, let's say to Dix sporting goods or something, I am going to Dix that next week and I am buying something.
Speaker 4It is like I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2There are so many gifts and I'll let you know that that's what I got.
Speaker 1I don't know. I'm weird like that.
Speaker 2I lose gift cards all the time.
Speaker 1See, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2I put them in my like dash in my truck or something, or like I'll lose them in my like, my, my drawers, and I forget about it. And then I'll find it and like oh sweet. And then I'm like oh, it expired.
Speaker 3Or I'm like did I already spend this? Yeah, probably exactly.
Speaker 1I was like four years old.
Speaker 4the paint's fading out, it's just you know and you're like yeah somebody spent my I don't know.
Speaker 1It's my own plan. I know Jinglebees. Yeah, I love gift cards too, but I spend them immediately. It's like. It's like I owe you a duty, if you buy me a gift card, to go and buy something with it.
Speaker 3It's very on brand.
Speaker 1Yeah, amazon gift card. I'm the guy that, like, if I got an Amazon gift card on Christmas Day, I am not opening another gift until I apply that code to my account.
Speaker 1I mean, I guess that's a way to make sure I because then I can throw that piece of shit away and now it's on my, it's on my account and I'm done, and they know that I got the money and everything's good. It is like it is like a drop dead. Everything show stops. That's what I do. I don't know why Jinglebees does it too. I add them to my. Ooh, that's a great idea. I guess you could do like things for wallet, but like you could add it to your digital wallet. I think the companies are getting really good about that too. I just don't know how that. I just don't know how. Like a how does that work? Jinglebees like so when you go to pay, you have to use Apple pay and then it knows you're at, let's say, walmart and so it would use that gift card first. Or do you have to explicitly like, go to Apple pay, tap that you want to use the gift card and then scan it that way? I'm curious.
Speaker 3We will wait in silence.
Speaker 1Oh, fuck you. I absolutely fucking hate that noise. You scroll through the cards, so you do have to select the. You do have to select the actual card.
Speaker 4Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1Well, it's good, not great. What's it? It's good.
Speaker 2Not great, oh, five out of ten. But still.
Speaker 1but it's funny because, like, cash feels weird but a gift card doesn't, and I don't know why. It's like, hey, you actually went to the store. But my favorite thing is when you when sometimes they'll leave you the receipt to say like hey, I actually put money on this. Like you know, some people just think, like a lot of older, like people seem to do that they make sure, like hey, if something goes wrong, you can call that number or whatever.
Speaker 1I think, my favorite thing is when you read when they bought it and it's like, oh, you got this 10 minutes ago. You bought this literally on the way over here. Okay.
Speaker 3Cool Thanks. I have never if.
Speaker 2I ever give you a gift card, I can tell you right now you do not need to tell me what you, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna be like oh, I got a gift card. I don't even remember that, I think cash feels weird because it's dirty.
Speaker 1Dirty money yeah.
Speaker 3A card is, all you know, neatly like. It's usually presentable brand new, fresh, clean, usually in a Christmas type wrapping. But cash is like this has been on a stripper's ass, Ooh.
Speaker 1My dad's value.
Speaker 3Cocaine bags my dad value and you're like, oh yeah, Kind of stripper.
Speaker 1And it's a famous stripper's dollar bill. You have to count it. Christmas jingles.
Speaker 3Like you have the whole dilemma of do I want to count it or do I just like take the whole bundle and oh, thanks, you know, because you're like you're sitting in front of him.
Speaker 1I was told recently You're looking to make eye contact. Not a good year.
Speaker 2So I always I don't know if it's from working in banking, but I always count money. When it's given to me, I always grab it and I start counting, and I was told recently that that's rude. I was told you're not supposed to do that.
Speaker 1How much money are people giving you where you're literally thumbing through cash? No, even if it's like you know all ones.
Speaker 2thanks, grandma. No, like birthday or Christmas or like just, or if someone owes me money, you know like, for instance, I'll do coffee runs for like my team and a lot of them will pay cash and I'll grab it and I'll just start counting in front of them.
Speaker 4And I was like that rude.
Speaker 2They're like you're supposed to just trust the person.
Speaker 1And I'm like that's no.
Speaker 2I'm like, okay, well, I don't know, that seems a little sus to me, I do.
Speaker 3I do think Christmas it is. It might be a little rude Like if I don't know. It's just, it's a weird little bill, though.
Speaker 1Are you getting to where? I don't know.
Speaker 3I just well just like imagine, if you get all ones, you can't just eyeball that 2460.
Speaker 1You just, oh, because you're probably facing it too.
Speaker 2Yeah, I don't know, I had my grandpa when I was a kid, whenever he gave me money he always gave me an all once, because it was like it was more than it really was If it was all once. And he always used to say now count that. And I'm like all right. And then he like how much is an automobility back? Got away with it, you know, I just like say that, you know, like, and I never really knew what he meant, but got away with it, yeah.
Speaker 1You got away with it? Yeah, I'm getting ready. Did you steal this? Yeah?
Speaker 2All right, got away with ripping me off.
Speaker 1What are you getting away with?
Speaker 2Yeah, just quirks.
Speaker 1Yeah, everybody's Well. Tonight we want to talk about the game awards. Yes.
Speaker 3Jeff Kealy, let us down.
Speaker 2Him specifically.
Speaker 3Him. Well, he's in charge of him, he is him he owns it.
Speaker 2He is Ryan Reynolds. Ryan Gosling, ryan Reynolds.
Speaker 3Yeah, he's Ken.
Speaker 4I'm just Ken.
Speaker 3But yeah, we I don't know how we want to approach this first. We want to criticize it first.
Speaker 2Dylan, talk about your grievances.
Critiquing Gaming Awards Show Length/Format
Speaker 3Well, I think we share a lot of the same grievances. So I don't know how many of our viewers watch the game awards. But so it's a new thing and it's evolving. I can tell you that it started out as just awards and now, since E3 has been canceled, it's kind of evolving into A type of E3, like a game announcement. Slash award show. And four and a half hours long.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3So this year last year they had the guy, the person who won actor game. What is it? Performance of the year or something like that. He went on a little long in a speech.
Speaker 4And so this year?
Speaker 3yeah well, eight minutes he went on eight minutes on a speech, which was a long time. But instead of slightly correcting, they corrected hardcore to the opposite end of the spectrum, to where now I think it was. They only gave each person 30 seconds before they put on.
Speaker 1I think that includes walk up time.
Speaker 3Yeah, they put on the teleprompter, wrap it up and then they play an outro, they play a song as you're talking.
Speaker 2The teleprompter would literally say wrap it up. Like that's so disrespectful yeah.
Speaker 3Especially, I mean, when it's these developers have been working on these games for years and this, this is like their moment to shine, Like in specific one you know there's tons of developers We'll talk about that too that didn't even get to get a moment in the spotlight, they're just passed over. But like with Alan Wake too, with remedy, a few years ago, Sam Lake, the guy, the guy that's the game director like he released a video on YouTube and he said, like they lost the funding for Alan Wake too, and he was like I don't know if I, you know, and it was just a really sad, you know, video because it was the truth. And then they got funding and they were able to make the game again. And so when he goes up there to give that speech and it was a very nice speech, you know he could tell he was happy, he was thanking everybody, and then they start playing the outro music.
Speaker 2It's like just give the dude a minute, Like, and so like if I was in that position, I'd be like I mean, what are they going to do? Have security escort me off? That's more controversy for them.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2I would just say what I want to say.
Speaker 3Well, that's what a lot of people did. Is they just kept talking?
Speaker 2And they might find you, I guess would be the main thing there, but it is. It's super disrespectful and I it's clearly because they're. They were making time for other things that had nothing to do with awards. They had all these celebrity appearances which I was like, is that really necessary to have all these people? Like, is it really selling their show more to have these people talk? Maybe it is. I didn't look at the data, but it just seemed kind of weird that they gave all these people that had nothing to do with the gaming industry, or at least very minimal to do with the gaming industry, these huge spotlights, and they could talk for as long as they want.
Speaker 2And then the people that the show is actually for, like it's supposed to be rewarding the creators and the performers and stuff and it almost felt like they were getting shoehorned at their own event.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2Or, like you know, push to the side, and it was. It was I felt like their approach was misguided.
Speaker 3Yeah, and I mean I would, I would even say some of the. There was only two that I can think of. You guys can correct me, but only two. I remember of the actors that came on stage that were actually like correlated with a game and that I was like that's fine. Like they did that with Keanu, makes sense. Like Matthew McConaughey came out about that game that he's in and then, see me, leo came out and he's in a game too and I was like that's, that's okay, I understand that. But when you had like what? When did Al Pacino? That was last year's game out last year, which is weird.
Speaker 2But uh, I get Anthony Mackie because of Twisted Metal. He's in Twisted Metal.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2But like, was that like improvised or like what Like? Why did he have so much time to be like an idiot on stage?
Speaker 3And then why Timothy Chalmé? What was cause?
Speaker 2he had a gaming YouTube channel from like 2011 where he was like a little kid making modic controllers and like, well, like, do the do invert.
Speaker 3I did think it was funny how he didn't say like anything off script and then he just walked out and then he goes to and like that was it. Baldur's Gate 3. And then he's done versus Anthony Mackie. Yeah, just went on and on.
Speaker 2Shut up, shut up, yeah, and I was like who is he talking to? Like I get it, but like it was just weird, because obviously the viewers can't. He just looks like a crazy man.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2That's what it looked like. I felt like the announcements this year were a little weak and that's not necessarily their fault. Yeah, it was kind of like you know what's happening. I wonder if GTA would have been announced at the Game Awards had the information not have been leaked and forced their hand.
Speaker 3I thought they were planning to release the trailer like a day after the leak, though, like it was only. I thought it was only a day difference.
Speaker 2Well, if that's the case, then I don't know. They built a lot of hype around, yeah. I think it was only a day difference. Monster.
Speaker 3Hunter.
Speaker 2That was the big reveal At the end of the show I was like oh wow, all right, I mean nothing against Monster Hunter, but do you have gripes Billy?
Speaker 1You know it's funny, as they put these arbitrary time limits on everyone's speaking time, but then what happened was it was still four and a half hours long. Like that's just crazy to me, that's a very long time. I watched the whole thing Cause I didn't have anything else going on, to be honest. So it wasn't that bad, but it was like I don't know.
Speaker 1It might be that they're like in dire straits for like cash, like I don't know how much it costs to rent out a hall and organize that type of event. It's probably insane. I mean, I'm sure they probably paid Chalamet and you know, like all these other announcers, but then so they have to show more trailers to generate more revenue, and so that takes longer and longer and longer and longer. I don't know what the happy medium is. I feel like the gaming, I feel like the this gaming studios should sponsor the event, maybe more like step up, more in terms of what they are providing in terms of ice. So it may be cut it down like two and a half hours, but but the thing is, Billy is like Microsoft and PlayStation they got their own shows.
Speaker 1That's what I'm saying. So it's like I don't know where this, if it has to be that that big, maybe it's not just be an award show. It could just be an award show.
Speaker 2You don't need to spend that much money to get celebrities in, just have, like you know, like people of the industry.
Speaker 1Yeah, and then have everybody film like a, a congratulations thing, and then you can play that. You know like golden.
Game Awards Format and Content Critique
Speaker 2I don't know if you guys watched or checked out any of the golden joystick awards, which is also a gaming award show. It's like kind of like a smaller level, just like an actors have the Oscars and then they also have like the golden globes or whatever the golden joystick awards was like at least from the like speeches I watched was better because, like Neil Nubon, for instance, he just won for best performance. He also won best performance at the golden joysticks and they gave him like seven minutes and he like had a much better speech and like it was more like here you could tell he even joked about it. He was like well, I'll say while I can before they start rushing me off here, like um, so I think that's the part that irritates me is I feel like it. It was like it was a show that's supposed to like honor, like gaming achievement celebrate celebrate game and just a marketing plan and it just became a marketing platform.
Speaker 2And then they were like oh, by the way, I know we just watched like a bunch of long ass trailers for all these games, but also, just so you know, this one won this, this, this, this and this, All right Moving on. They didn't.
Speaker 1Some people didn't even get like best RPG, you know they didn't even get a chance to make a speech.
Speaker 2They were just like oh, they want to. Moving on.
Speaker 1Yeah, and I get you can. I mean, there was like 30 categories for this one in particular.
Speaker 2I just four hours.
Speaker 1That's what I'm saying Like find a balance Like is it, it doesn't cost that much to put on that. You have to have that many trailers. I don't know what the balance is Like. I feel like they have to go through some soul searching to figure that out and then to not give them any time, and then we have to sit there and watch. Uh, Jordan Peele come on stage and there's like a translator going back and forth and you're waiting for that response with Kojima, what's his name?
Speaker 3Hideo Kojima yeah.
Speaker 1Kojima and you're waiting for his response and like, and then it's not even really, it's about a movie, it's not even really a video game. And it was just like how much are we spending on promotion here? Like, how much are we getting from promotion here?
Speaker 3It just didn't feel like it was a game. That's because Jeff Keely and Hideo are like this.
Speaker 1Oh that, that that's comes evident, like every single year.
Speaker 3Yeah, so I mean, we are so excited.
Speaker 1It's like, okay, all right, calm down.
Speaker 3I would almost I don't know what in your, in your guys's head. What would be like the perfect game awards? To me it would be maybe fewer trailers but have some big hitters, and then that way you can fit in more personal time for the awards and stuff like that.
Speaker 2I don't think it needs to be an announcement show at all.
Speaker 3Well, I'm fine with them. Evolving to an announcement show.
Speaker 1I, I. How do they generate? There's no money in that, then if it's only just giving awards Viewership, people would watch that. So let's talk about that viewership for a second. On the YouTube stream alone, I think I saw it clock in at over a million people. Yeah, I mean, how does the Oscars make money?
Speaker 2They don't announce new movies at the Oscars, but they have commercial breaks, right. So and those yeah, but that's not the I mean you can. You could throw in ads like on your, your live stream, but it doesn't have to be an announcement show, isn't?
Speaker 1that isn't the Oscars put on by the screen actors Guildo. So there's a union that they pull that cash from. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2I just I think they need to. They need to pull it way back on the, the announcements, and keep it more and focus on like, the, the people, the winners, the like. That's what it's supposed to be. I mean, in my opinion, I don't like I like announcements as much as the next guy, but like there are other platforms to do that.
Speaker 1Well, and you see that, like what, two days before this comes out the biggest announcement of last decade?
Speaker 2drops GTA six, just totally swamped anything that they could announce at the game awards.
Speaker 1So you know, obviously they're not, they don't care to to gain, you know, publicity there. If they don't do announcements, I don't really know. I don't know how they pay for that. I don't know where the money comes from. I don't know who's sponsoring that event.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean I guess to.
Speaker 3I mean they have to, I guess to an extent but like I think that draws in a crowd as well, a certain you know there's, there's certain subsets that I think they're trying to appease. They're trying to appease the awards people, the people who are coming for announcements, and then also the celebrities are for the non gamers. So I think that's what they're trying to do, is they're trying to have different, they're trying to appease the different crowds and they're not doing it right.
Speaker 1No, Too much middle ground.
Speaker 3Too much.
Speaker 4They're trying to do everything right, yeah.
Speaker 1Which is why it's four and a half hours, yeah, and it's kind of muddy, you know.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean they could even like like. I mean I think they like I think Dylan brought up a good point with the whole E3 is not a thing anymore. And they're like okay, this is our chance to capitalize on that.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2E3 is not a thing anymore. Let's, let's turn this into a real. Like people want to watch, to get the news, gaming news.
Speaker 1Well, but, then if they want to follow that model. E3 was never an announcement show, really. It was a game convention showcase. That was like all the developers could set in and talk to their audience and they had a panel where they could sit down and talk about their game and that's a whole different experience. Right, and I don't think E3 was ever live streamed. They could just do the PBS style. It was Like the whole thing.
Speaker 3Not well, I mean certainly just their main like show case keynote yeah, live streamed. Yeah, cause that's when cyberpunk got to see Keanu come out.
Speaker 1That wasn't just re uploaded after the fact. No, I watched that.
Speaker 3I was streaming that. It didn't. It didn't die that too far back, it was like a couple years ago.
Speaker 1It died. Covid Right Cova is in there. It's late, late, and then they actually canceled it. I guess I don't know if I ever tuned in.
Speaker 2They could literally just do a PBS style and be like this show brought to you by viewers like you Please donate our Patreon?
Speaker 3No, we don't donate.
Speaker 2Oh, people would.
Speaker 3There was so many people that probably 10 million people in super chats, which I thought was hilarious, yeah probably 10 million people.
Speaker 1If you think, like from YouTube, the YouTube stream, the multiple channels streaming YouTube because, like, ign picks it up, and then the main channel, then you think about Twitch and all the people on Twitch that are getting exposed to that Like you're watching this stream or who's watching that. So it's not even direct viewership. I mean, there's probably 10 over 10 million people being in having impressions of what was going on at the game awards. There's definitely an audience there for that and like and I think that that's what I'm saying Like a commercial on TV that they play a, like a trailer for or whatever. I don't understand how they're not making enough money. If that's the complaint, because you like watching ad on TV, you, they have no idea. If you're the target audience, they have no idea. If you're watching the game award show, you're, probably you're, you're absolutely their target audience. So you got 10 million people who buy your type of product watching that and then you run.
Speaker 1I mean, how many things were announced? Probably 70. Not not made, not announced, but had a trailer there. 70. Yeah, you're talking what minimum? Maybe $10,000, to put at least. I can't imagine it being less than that $10,000 to run your, your trailer for your game. It's probably more than that. Yeah, $10,000 times 70. I just, I don't know. I feel like that. I feel like you have like I don't know.
Speaker 1Jeff. Keely himself, you've got to have enough money to generate this one event.
Speaker 2There's a lot of people that that were upset about kind of how they approached it. Jeff Keely himself he did say on X. He said, by the way, I do agree that the music was played too fast for award winners this year and I asked our team to relax that rule as the show went on While no one was actually cut off. It's something we should address going forward. So I don't know what that means, but he will. He acknowledged it. The main thing that caused a lot of controversies during the game of the year speech there was a sign that said please wrap it up. As they were dedicating the game to one of their team members that passed away during production. They were literally saying and then you look and it says please wrap it up. It's like Jesus read the room.
Speaker 3Oh man, that was yeah, I mean, but I still enjoyed watching. I mean, we're griping about it now, but it was the worst night of my life. Yeah, we watched all four hours. Well, me and Billy did. Kyle came in near the end.
Speaker 2I just wasn't talking to you because I was at work. Did you watch the whole thing? Yeah, it was on in the background, but I wasn't able to participate in chatting.
Speaker 1I think I'm low balling it immensely with just seeing some of the responses. I think I'm low balling with that 10,000 per trailer, especially if you've got like literally like a dozen million people yeah, watching this.
Speaker 2I've never heard somebody say 12 million in such a way, a dozen million. I didn't want to say, dozens of people, dozens of there are 24 people.
Speaker 1There's a baker's dozen, I don't know. I didn't have any problems with it. I thought it was very long, but it's. You know, it is what it is Like. I watch that 90 percent of the games I'm not going to be interested in. I felt like a lot of the games are the same. You're just like, well, OK, that's a twist on that. Ok, it's what's on that kind of uninspired work.
Speaker 2Nothing new under the sun.
Speaker 1I would watch. Maybe I do prefer like the E3 model where it's like you can go I don't know. This has actually been a complaint of mine for a while. I feel like virtual events such as like the viewership for game awards, like I'm sure being there is really cool Virtual events suck Bar none. They the interactivity of a virtual event is garbage. The options that we have as viewers is garbage. It's basically like a still camera and then maybe somebody's like firing away, like from a production standpoint, to change the camera angle, yada, yada, yada. It's terrible. I want a much more interactive experience.
Speaker 1Like I feel like every virtual event from COVID launched this and I thought there was a few companies that do like massive, massive, like 100,000 plus person conventions. I thought, oh, they're going to take that budget and come up with something really cool in the virtual world and nobody has, and I don't even think anyone's really trying to push that envelope or try. And I feel like it's such an opportunity. Like imagine if, if you're streaming the game awards and you could go in there and you could like you're on, like you could go and you can have like panel interviews with all the different creators and you could go in there and you watch those live. You could enter a queue to ask your questions, whatever it is. Or like you could jump in and like run a cloud version of a demo of one of the games that they're talking about, or like whatever, like I mean truly like a crazy awesome digital experience from sitting on your home. Let's start it, like I just it kind of is crazy that that's the fun, the.
Speaker 1KatiRatio Awards. Let's do it, let's jump on board.
Speaker 2I just it blows my mind At the end of the year we should just have our own award show. Let's come up with categories and then just put in what we think deserves.
Speaker 1We'll come up with our own. Yeah, that'll be fun. Actually, we should host, I think we should dress up in suits?
Speaker 2Yeah, honestly, we should. That'd be fun.
Discussion on Game Awards and Conventions
Speaker 3I did before I forget about it. I did want to ask. I was going to ask when we were watching a show, Should we try and go to the game awards?
Speaker 1One year.
Speaker 3How hard is it to do. I know it was sold out this year. Where's?
Speaker 2it at A special invitation, or you could try to get it, I think LA 那就 잘 많.
Speaker 3I think you just buy a ticket. That kid was there, the Bill Clinton kid.
Speaker 1You'll clean. He has powers you can't understand I don't think he got invited.
Speaker 2Yeah, he just walked up on stage to security was really good. They were everywhere this year.
Speaker 1They was like big dudes right there in the front, I feel bad that me is hockey Like their game of the year.
Speaker 2Announcement was forever tarnished by that.
Speaker 1I don't know, was it tarnished?
Speaker 2No, it's not. Let me rephrase it's not tarnished, it was overshadowed. Hmm, everybody's always gonna remember Bill Clinton kid, not, yeah, that Elden Ring one I Mean I'm taking away from, as if Elden Ring doesn't get praise like it's yeah, I think his speech was definitely the speech was overshadowed.
Speaker 3Jinglebee says we should mail them a cute statue, these game companies when they win the award.
Speaker 2Yeah, and it should be statues of us, like in tasteful erotic.
Speaker 3We just send it to the, the development studio. They're like what the?
Speaker 2this is your Katie ratio award. Most people send cupcakes you're welcome.
Speaker 1I'm a son of erotica.
Speaker 2You're welcome.
Speaker 3Tasteful erotica right, and then we're gonna have a link to our YouTube channel.
Speaker 2It's where you know where you're covered up. Just enough, just a little bit like. Just like if you, if the slight breeze came in, you'd expose everything and we'll have that's the end of this show.
Speaker 3We'll have our link to our YouTube channel on it, because nobody's gonna know.
Speaker 1We get such a negative view.
Speaker 2They're like oh my god, I've been waiting for this award.
Speaker 4I watched it live.
Speaker 2Can't believe we won.
Speaker 1I mean we should do. What would you do if you had a of, if you were putting on this event? Obviously he does. They do it for At its core, they're doing it for the industry and for the to celebrate the people.
Speaker 1I mean, that's how it started now. Now it's just become this thing that they have to maintain it, manage and maintain Deep. What do you? What do you do? I think you do not care about the audience at home, even though that's millions of people, and you just really catered the event for the people watching in person and you honor the artists and people who brought these games. Or Are you trying to make a production event that is enjoyable?
Speaker 2and useful, for at the end of the day it's a business. I mean, let's prove real. They're trying to make as much money as they can off of it. How many?
Speaker 1times a year. Do they do this once once? No, no, no. Will they do the Summer? Well, they do like the summer game awards right where they just do announcements.
Speaker 3Summer games fast yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah whatever people well the heat he hosts? Jeff Keely. Jeff Keely hosts like multiple events throughout the year, doesn't he do like a summer one and like a spring one?
Speaker 3He might do, because summer games fast. I don't know if that's him or not.
Speaker 1I'm pretty sure he does other game awards presents. It's probably his. It's probably the same production company putting these on.
Speaker 3Let's see, it's all him, all by himself. That's what we mean when we're talking about it. He.
Speaker 2Legend. He does do summer games fast. You're right. He started that in 2020. He actually did spike video game awards. That got that ended in 2013,. But it's 2003 to 2013, okay, and then game awards 2014 and present, and then he started summer games fast in 2020. So he does two events a year summer games fast and the game awards. He also has a Series called the final hours. It's been going since 1998. I don't really know what it's about, but that's another thing. Yes, huh. I.
Speaker 3Would recommend, if you're interested, billy, I know I Watched. Last year Somebody did an interview with them, I think it was skill up. I think skill up did an interview with Jeff and he asked him a lot of the questions that you're asking now of like to get into his brain, unlike the main, the reason he. Did this yeah is because he noticed that there was a gap with e3 going. He's like there's a gap to fill. That I can. You know I can, so it's just all search.
Speaker 1Well, so you said he started in 2020.
Speaker 2For games best.
Speaker 1Yeah, oh, just okay, game, or it's been going since 2014.
Speaker 2Okay, and before that, it's actually the spike video game awards is actually what they just did words.
Speaker 1I don't know. I Nobody's answered this. I mean we're talking about, like even CES. I mean you're talking about the larger I think that might be the largest convention in the world like 400,000 people to send on Vegas and go to this thing. Even that, the coverage kind of blows and it's like okay, so who's your audience? Like a convention, you're focused on the convention attendees, but for this I feel like if you've got an audience of 10 million people I mean that that I was telling my wife this blow do you see how many people are watching this?
Speaker 1This blows the ratings out for, like the Oscars and like, yeah, it blows it out of the water in terms of how much of viewership this is getting. So, who, who is like? Who's this for? Like, give us, like, are you making it to just celebrate the artists and stuff? I got that? That's fine. Then make it more about that and don't, you know, cost us four and a half hours, you know, to show us trailers for games that you know multi-year out, you know, and or, if you want to have, like a really kick-ass experience and I Don't know, not get a bunch of criticism, make it better for the viewer. I don't know how you do that.
Speaker 3So I never got an answer. Should we go next year? Do we think about it?
Speaker 2only if they improve Right. They need to show us let's talk to Jeff Keely. I want that promise from him.
Speaker 3I'm sure.
Speaker 1I want to go to something.
Speaker 2Maybe we can win content creators here.
Speaker 1I wouldn't want to go to game awards. We would do like a game income, like a game thing. Games fest would be. I would love to go like games gone or.
Speaker 2Something I would rather if I like. I would like going to an award show, but I would like going to like an announcement show, yeah.
Speaker 1I would love to go to like a booth or panel and like actually be exposed to developers that are, like crazy Passion about their game.
Speaker 2Maybe, we get a press pass. I think we could work that out.
Speaker 1Dude, you could get. You could get press passes with we. We have the viewership for press pass. Hundred percent, damn, let's do it.
Speaker 2See, like CES.
Speaker 3I yeah but the problem? Let's just say I got.
Speaker 1Let's just say I got a press pass when I wasn't press at all. I got approved for everything.
Speaker 4That's great.
Speaker 1I just never, ended up, I never ended up getting a chance to go see you in Europe.
Speaker 3That's the problem, right.
Speaker 1No, it's the biggest.
Speaker 3Which one's in your?
Speaker 1electronic show CES.
Speaker 3What's the one that's in Europe I?
Speaker 1mean CS might do a European show, but the biggest convention is in Europe.
Speaker 3We did, we had a whole conversation, we looked it up. Biggest convention ever yeah biggest gaming convention?
Speaker 1All right, is a gaming or just convention in general?
Speaker 3I don't remember, we'll look at. Octoberfest.
Speaker 2I feel like it was like a 18 biggest gaming conventions in the world.
Speaker 1Oh then they're probably gonna be game-specific, like League of Legends or Dota electronic.
Speaker 2Let's look at number one.
Speaker 1It was Well, game CES isn't gaming, it's just electronics games come in Germany games.
Speaker 2Comm is in Germany, games come, so that's the one that you said you want to go to.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2Go to games. Come in Germany why not Deutschland?
Speaker 1here we come here we come.
Speaker 2You can see your, your ancestry.
Speaker 1No, yeah.
Speaker 2Oh, that doesn't sound German, I suck at all.
Speaker 1There's a spider floating right there. You see that thing.
Speaker 4I do.
Speaker 1That was Respecting like a clap on it. You did like this weird side like swipe or no swiping kind of thing, and that was Something, something.
Speaker 3Well, should we talk about who won game of the year? Yeah, let's actually talk about the words yeah rather than just bitchin so Baldur's Gate 3 Sweeped as we expected, as we we guessed they deserved it. They did, they did. Alan Wake 2 won quite a bit. I was honestly surprised with how much they won. Breath of the Earth, tears of the kingdom won best action game.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3What else?
Speaker 2Best performance, neil newb, on from. Neil newb from big ballers gate all those gate playing the vampire, sassy vampire, I don't wake, just ran the table, basically, and what they were doing. Yeah, marvel spider-man didn't win a single award.
Speaker 3They were nominated for six amen 1-0.
Speaker 2I think Billy had something to do with it. I mean too.
Speaker 3I think the system he had them negative points I I saw some of the best takes on that.
Speaker 1They thought, like when Baldur's Gate was announced, this game of the year, like this but I think I said it to you guys. But this the guy reacting because it wasn't spider-man, just absolutely freaking out like a man.
Speaker 2I mean I'm a fan, but I've never like he was sassy.
Speaker 3Well, we went through the votes and I didn't vote for spider-man. The only one I think we voted for spider-man was Yuri alone.
Speaker 2I think I voted for best performance. I still think that he probably should have won that, but I'm okay with Neil newb on getting it. He's been in the industry forever, neil, and it's nice to see him rewarded like that because he's been, he's been like and it's all these games and animes, and so it is cool that he's getting his his moment of glory for sure. But Yuri did such an amazing job.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean, we talked about it, he's but that's really the only one.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean all the other ones. I'm kind of like, yeah, I'm okay if it didn't win that.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2I'm a spider-man fan, but I'm not like you know. I'm not irrational.
Speaker 3Billy were rational.
Speaker 1You're both Sims. Yeah well, spider sims. What is a spider sim? Do my spider sims are tingling.
Speaker 2I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 1That's an accurate representation of us both you guys charging up for spider-man.
Speaker 2Um, cyberpunk winning best ongoing game, that's. That caused a little bit of a controversy because it's not a live service game, so it's kind of weird that was even nominated for that category.
Speaker 3I think you should have had another category. I would have been fine with it winning like best expansion.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think it's because they couldn't put it anywhere else and they wanted cyberpunk in there for some, for something. So I'm okay with it, because I'm such a huge cyberpunk simp you're not a cyberpunk simp.
Speaker 3What are your thoughts on it, billy?
Speaker 1I think it's totally appropriate. Okay, like that was you know, ongoing game, so like DLC. That's what I would include in that this was a massive update that brought a bunch of people back to the game, and they have to be adored it.
Speaker 2I Always figured my service, maybe I categories.
Speaker 1That should be different, but yeah, I maybe I misunderstood what that category was.
Speaker 2I guess I was made an assumption it was for live service games. So that's what some people are kind of like. I saw this one. I read this one article that opened up with he's like Normally I only write about destiny on this On this website, but I need to take time to talk about cyberpunk, winning ongoing game and Opening it up with normally I only write about destiny, kind of made me was like alright, dude, like unbiased for sure, yeah, even though we didn't have a single content downloadable, anything in the last year.
Speaker 2But I'm okay with it too. I I there's a lot to talk on. I'm not gonna waste your guys time because I've done this a lot of times already, but I think that the fact that they, even though they made money within like CD project red, made enough money to just wash your hands and move on Within like the first two months of that game coming out, but instead they allocated resources, they had their team, they dropped all their future projects, they had their team focus on nothing but that game, even though financially and they didn't need to it was all for their reputation and so I respect that.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 1They didn't coward away and roll up.
Speaker 2Yeah, they owned up to it they owned up to their mistake
Speaker 3and fixed it. Any other awards you guys want to talk about before we move on to some of the announcements?
Speaker 2No no all right.
Speaker 3Well, I want to start us off with blade.
Speaker 2Blithe, blithe.
Speaker 3Blade by arcane studios I.
Speaker 2Love blade as a character, arcane developing. It is what has me worried because I Know that they other than Redfall, they have a kind of huge following around very successful games. But I've never really liked arcane studios same. Their games are just not that fun to me.
Speaker 3I've never been any of the dishonored. I couldn't, I Didn't make it like that far in any of them, and even I never played death loop. I played pray a little bit but I just it doesn't vibe with me.
Speaker 2I played death loop, I played dishonored. I've never played pray, but I played all those other ones, wolf. I've never Beaten one. And Wolfenstein. I actually love the Wolfenstein series, but Wolfenstein young blood was my least favorite specifically the two Wolfensteins they made sucked.
Speaker 3Yeah, the the other ones were good. The new order. Order Colossus, yeah, and new Colossus, something, something like that, but then I guess arcane took over and those ones were the worst ones.
Speaker 1Yeah, Redfall tripped and stumbled out of the gates right I don't think it's recovered.
Speaker 3They gave up on it.
Speaker 2They've moved on already. Yeah, no shit yeah. Well, so I believe though being kind of excited for that game because it was like we we get excited for anything that we can Potentially just play together.
Speaker 3Yeah, I do think, though, to be fair, I think Redfall is their. There we go. Redfall was arcane Austin, which is like their B team, arcane lion Leon in France. That's what made all the dishonored and that's like their. Yeah, that's because it looks like dishonored came out for show separately by arcane. So I don't know, but it sounds like arcane Leon. Is there a team?
Speaker 2Yeah, be. I mean, as a developer, you don't get to blame.
Speaker 3Yeah, that was our B team.
Speaker 2It you own the team. Yeah, it just you know that's your fault if you have a team of players within your studio that isn't as good as the other ones.
Speaker 3Well, I don't even think it's the developers fault, I think it's whoever directed that game. But that's the well, yeah, like whoever arcane is. And like the developers probably tried their best to make the game work. But I Don't know. You know the blame always gets hard when you look at games like that, because it's like I don't blame the coder he probably was doing it's always the game director that it's that they own that whole thing.
Speaker 1They own the vision, the execution, the whole chain.
Speaker 4No absolutely.
Upcoming Games and Excitement Levels
Speaker 2Rockstar All their micro transactions and bullshit. Controversy aside, rockstar studios no matter what part of Rockstar is developing it, their games usually are just fucking great. Like Red Dead Redemption was developed by Rockstar I forget which one, but it's not the same Rockstar that did GTA. It was like Rockstar, san Diego Rockstar or something. And so, like their B teams, that Rockstar are still developing amazing games. Yeah, because Red Dead Redemption, not Red Dead Redemption 2. Red Dead Redemption 2 is developed by, like their main Rockstar studio, but the first Red Dead was developed by their B team.
Speaker 3So what is? What's the B team working on now?
Speaker 2Maybe Red Dead 3. I don't know. Hopefully We'll see Not too sure the new engine.
Speaker 1Maybe, so they now these things take like 10 years for them to build. So I mean Jesus. So who knows?
Speaker 3they could be focused on any number of things and it is just funny looking at like Rockstar when you come to the frequency of how fast game comes out, versus like Ubisoft. Especially Ubisoft is like Every two year, one year, they're like new Assassin's Creed, and then Rockstar is like 10 years. We'll give it, we'll let it cook with.
Speaker 1The last one was Assassin's Creed Mirage. I think, was that the last one? I think. So I'm watching something cool gaming what. Play it right now. It is not fun Looking. I don't even know why I'm watching it.
Speaker 3Well, and I believe it's one of. It's a weird trend now that I think on it, both Mirage and Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 were Expansions that they're like let's make it a cool game because people still buy it that it blows.
Speaker 1It's just, it's a weird cookie cutter recipe that they just continue to spit out, and it just generates more money than anything. It's unbelievable, so.
Speaker 3Billy, what? What one were you most excited about on the game ward announcements? Because we have a lot. We won't go over all them, because there's a lot we don't even know.
Speaker 1Yeah, to be honest, I wasn't really blown away by any of them any not really like. I took notes on a handful of games that might be pique my interest. I added a few games to my steam wishlist. I can look that up, actually, because like wishlist I.
Speaker 3I Really want to see more about the math mechanic game exodus, I think actually, yeah, that does look good. Or was it exo born?
Speaker 1Exo born, I think.
Speaker 3Exodus. It was exodus was it yeah, that one looks interesting because he comes out to say he's in the game and Then proceeds to show us a trailer without him in it at all, which I thought was pretty funny. I was like, oh Okay.
Speaker 2I wonder if you saw that before, or if he just realized while he was on stage like I'm not even fucking in, he's like all right, all right, all right all right, all right, all right.
Speaker 3And he said that at the game awards.
Speaker 1He asked that, he told them that, he told us that they told him to say pew, pew, pew and it was kind of like what the he's like I will never be caught dead so the two games that I put down or is exo born and thrown in liberty, which is thrown in liberties like a is a Korean MMO published by NC soft and developed by NC soft, I think as well, and Combat looks interesting, it's out in Korea. I think as of this week. I watched a few streams of it people playing it and it's very much so. It looks very PvP centric, but some of the systems look like like a lot of fun. So what about? The combat looks good in discord.
Speaker 3He seemed excited about the one that Ori, the Ori developers, were making which one's that it was like the top-down Kind of.
Speaker 1Ori like ORI.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, the developers of Ori Ori Will the wisps their developer moon studios Right there right here no right right moon.
Speaker 1What this one? Come on now, let's go on adventure Billy. It's like not even going back now. They're like double click what? What did you want me to click there, like the Wikipedia link? Yeah.
Speaker 3That would probably show you I think what is happening with this? Your, it took you so far.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't know what just happened. Yeah, right there, I wanted to see photos of this though. Yeah, what, what about it.
Speaker 3Well they're. They're working on a game, and that was the only one I saw in discord that you seemed excited about.
Speaker 1I'm trying to like see an image that makes me go oh yeah, that's right I saw, because it doesn't look, not this game, but you got to look up what other game they're working on.
Speaker 3I Just don't remember the name of it.
Speaker 1It's by moon studios.
Speaker 3Yep, moon studios probably just go to their Wikipedia.
Speaker 1See what you're really carrying this conversation while I do.
Speaker 3I'm. You know you're going around about it in such a you said, it was Ori. So I started right there.
Speaker 1Okay, no rest for the way.
Speaker 4That's the one that you seemed excited about, and it's it's or he was a really good game.
Speaker 3Ori than will have the list. Did you play that one, Kyle?
Speaker 2No.
Speaker 3Ori.
Speaker 2Did not.
Speaker 4I'm excited about Exodus, exodus.
Speaker 2I'm reading into it now and I remember thinking this could be really cool. It's developed by former Bioware devs, the game director that worked on Mass Effect. It's a whole new original sci-fi universe grounded in realism.
Speaker 3It could be pretty cool Did they say I want to see more? They did show kind of gameplay, but I want to know what it's actually is.
Speaker 2The guy that worked on this. He's worked with Bioware on games, Everything from Baldur's Gate to Night's Old Republic. You're talking about no rest for the Wicked. No, I'm talking about Exodus. No rest for the Wicked looks stupid. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3Wow, Do you remember it now?
Speaker 1Billy, yes, I do. Okay. Yes, I like this setting a lot and I think they showed very little bits pieces of their combat and it looks like it's a lot of fun. Like this little interactive. It gets up and down. I think the I got a very yeah, that looks so much fun.
Speaker 3Yeah, we're watching it, just staring at his screen.
Speaker 4Yeah, it looks good, so good.
Speaker 3I would say, yeah, exodus.
Speaker 1Gameplay for me is everything so.
Speaker 3Exodus looks good. Um. The only other game announcement that I was hyped for was God of War, and I mean that's just because it like came out in three days, um. But Exodus it's like a space sci-fi. I want to know, did they, kyle, have you read anywhere? Like what kind of game it is? It's an RPG.
Speaker 2RPG. It's an RPG and it's.
Speaker 3So it's on Destiny no.
Speaker 2They said that um, it's, it's not. It's not like a live service game, it's going to be a single player narrative driven experience. Um, and it's. It's a wholly unique sci-fi universe that they developed.
Speaker 4There's game playing here at the end.
Speaker 2Really, Um. No, it's cool. It's okay Inspired by just because he worked on it, inspired by games like Mass Effect, but he says it's going to have a lot more freedom in the narrative.
Speaker 2Okay, and similarly, in a way like Baldur's Gate is um, but he says not trying to compete with like games like Starfield or Baldur's Gate, like it's their own thing. But he's basically like, imagine like a well crafted universe like Mass Effect, with more freedom in the story, like you have more control over how the narrative plays out, rather than Mass Effect where, uh, you know, even though we love the game, it kind of is what it is. You fight the workers, you know it's not like you can join the reapers, yeah, and you can't be a space pirate, yeah.
Speaker 1Is it a commission?
Speaker 2the Mass.
Speaker 1Effect universe.
Speaker 2No, no, no, it's, it's, it's its own thing. Um, but the reason people bring up Mass Effect a lot when talking about it is because the game director, for it worked for Bioware for like 20 years. Well and he was there when Bioware was still king of the RPG, when it was still Bioware Back, when Bioware was great. Let's make Bioware great again.
Speaker 1Yeah, I have a no interest in that game.
Speaker 3You didn't even watch the the gameplay.
Speaker 1Didn't need it. Like they're getting the game plays. Did you just hear everything he mentioned?
Speaker 3Everything he mentioned that sounds like right up your alley had nothing to do with gameplay. You can control your own narrative, so write up, write up your alley Billy.
Speaker 2That's like that's that doesn't bring me into a game.
Speaker 1I'm there to play the game.
Speaker 2Sci-Fi doesn't bring you into you, love Sci-Fi. For film if I'm just there to watch it.
Speaker 1For us, for you, and I did enjoy it. It was good. It was good.
Speaker 3Did you hear that? I did enjoy it, but it's, that's okay. I'm not here to try and convince.
Speaker 2I would never go back to it.
Speaker 1I would never go back to it Just to get a different cutscene or you know. Download Cyberpunk again so I can go take a shower with my love interest. I never undownloaded it.
Speaker 3So yeah, that's your first mistake.
Speaker 2I've never taken it off my hard drive.
Speaker 1Cuttle with my in-game video. Oh they got a new DLC. I can get pets. She'll pet me.
Speaker 2I don't remember getting pet, but I uh, river is still the weirdest romance you could like. He just seems kind of like a dick Like and it's and they're always like trying to like the developers really want you to know that it would never work out. Because if you're like romancing River as a female V like you're constantly like there's even this part in the new patch that they patched in where V is like River I need to talk to you and he's just like yeah, you don't see a future. And she's like let's not focus on that right now, let's just be here and I'm like the fuck, Like they're just clearly not going to work and the developers really want you to be like no, judy's the one for you.
Speaker 3Not River.
Speaker 2Not River. Don't choose River, it's about Carrie.
Speaker 2Carrie you're a dine, the same thing. Obviously the developers want the canon romance for male V to be pan am. But Carrie, you're a dine, at least like it's more like they. They're not trying to force you to break up with him. You know, like it's just weird how they it's not weird. Like they obviously have a preference, a preference on like I think they did that on purpose. Like Carrie you're a dine and River supposed to be like flings, whereas the other two are more serious, like end game type stuff. But you know, that's such a even though that's such a small part of the game. Those types of things is like. I love romance and video games.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2I have no like that's that Trump's gameplay for me?
Speaker 1How can I get this chick to sleep with me? Let's get all the dialogue options. It's not even about that.
Speaker 2It's not about that. It's about feeling something.
Speaker 1What do you feel? You have like four lines with these people before they're trying to bang you in.
Speaker 2Baldur's Gate Not in. Not in Cyberpunk In.
Speaker 3Baldur's Gate yes, In Baldur's Gate yes, 100%.
Speaker 2But Baldur's Gate is not. That's actually. I like the romance in Baldur's Gate, but that's that game is. I mean, that's like such a small part of the game is so massive. It's about the RPG, it's about the narrative and like I'm a romantic, so it just doesn't apply.
Speaker 1Because you play game. It's like takes you what? 10 hours maybe in-game play time before they're lovey-dovey over you and you're like I'm not there yet. I don't know if you're a romantic. That makes me a romantic because I and you love to develop.
Speaker 3I don't know about Love needs to be, Do you like romance films then?
Speaker 2Because they fall in love over the course of like an hour.
Speaker 1But it's years on screen.
Speaker 2Okay, that's different.
Speaker 3What about Mass Effect 1?, the or Mass Effect, any of the romance the best part about?
Speaker 1Mass Effect 1 was killing Ashley.
Speaker 3No, I mean the romance, like how do you feel about that pacing?
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Speaker 2It takes a whole game and a half to romance Tally, Because you can't even romance her in the first game.
Speaker 1She's underage. Mass Effect 1, I didn't even fall in love with anything. I didn't even fall in love with anybody. Do you romance?
Speaker 2Liara and you were like that was pointless. I remember you said that I don't even remember.
Speaker 1Yeah, dude. No, it just wasn't good. I don't even remember Like it didn't even leave an impression on me, I'd rather romance Morton, wow.
Speaker 2There's probably a huge community for that. Yeah, somewhere on Reddit, you know, you know. Yeah, it's called Morton.
Speaker 3Uh, I don't know why this popped into my head, but I was. I was kind of sad Hogwarts Legacy was nowhere at the game awards. Their game was that came out this year.
Speaker 1Yes, but it was really buggy at launch, but it was a good game.
Speaker 3It was a very good game for for.
Speaker 1It was a very good game. Now that combat was a lot of fun. It got stale very quickly after you know 25 hours, but it was very enjoyable.
Speaker 3After 25 hours you know, I have a confession.
Speaker 1Your, your sky's scale is totally different. I came, I played MMOs for thousands of hours. Yeah, I play, I came for thousands of hours. I came from an MMO background. Thousands of hours Just gameplay all over everywhere. Okay, like 25 hours, like, if you're bored of the game, play already. That's a bad game. Just kidding, all right.
Speaker 1You know I after this game that it was so much fun for those first 24 hours like learning the combos of how everything, like there was so many cool little combos that I wish were spelled out a little more clear to you, but it was.
Speaker 2I never even be a Hogwarts.
Speaker 1Legacy Whoa.
Speaker 4I got bored.
Speaker 2Wow.
Speaker 1I did like a lot of the side content in that game too. I wanted to walk, pick all the level three doors.
Speaker 2It's so weird that you liked that game.
Speaker 4Because, like you, don't like Harry Potter I don't.
Speaker 2You don't like single player narrative driven kids. He doesn't like kids. You don't like children. Kid stories. Like you know, you don't like children. Clarify. You don't like stories, where they focus through a kid's point of view.
Speaker 1I was a senior, okay, and whatever their classes. So I was an adult, okay. Oh no, I didn't feel like I was in that game. Fifth year, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2Two more years of school.
Speaker 1They go, they just all that seven years.
Speaker 3So he's just like fuck. I hate the game now.
Speaker 1No damn it. But I never felt like I was treated as a, as a, like a child, like all my interactions I felt like we're very adult, like because they were. All the focus was oh, you're transferred in, you're new to the school, here's what you need to do to get caught up, and so you're like learning the spells and stuff. It was never like oh, little Billy, you're so cute In due time.
Speaker 2You know, I was like no, it's like hey they don't do that in a lot of stories where kids are the heroes.
Speaker 1I feel like it is. They do that in spy. Oh, we're getting to the plan. I have to sit in a no, no chair. Did they do that? And what are you watching?
Speaker 2I'm sitting in the no no chair. Yeah, dude, just dumb shit. He's like watching, like Playhouse Disney.
Speaker 1He's like fuck this Dude. That's literally like Spider-Man. He goes and has a. Do you remember that? You?
Speaker 2had to sit in the no no chair yeah that's my favorite part. Actually I'm sorry.
Speaker 4Sorry you got me.
Speaker 2He got spanked by a thug.
Speaker 1I'm at the high school cafeteria. People are bullying me. I'm sad I'm going to go hang out with this unhinged crackhead. Oh, I have best friends with him now. Oh, wow, like that is even talking about, I don't know who's the unhinged literally.
Speaker 3Which Spider-Man is this?
Speaker 1This is. It's literally every fucking children's game. Talk about the movie Spider-Man. Oh, metcalf Tury, oh, drop my food on hinge. What the track. The Tobii McGuire, one crackhead. It's the three people that talk to him. He goes and over there, sid's.
Speaker 4Mary the loaders? No, mary Jane comes later. Harry, harry, yes.
Speaker 1Nobody thought that kid was cool. It's literally the same plot in every movie. Oh, we got a little. Oh, he's an outsider but he gets powers, but he's just can't seem to make friends in school. Okay, oh, he has the crush on the hottest, most popular girl in school. Wow, I didn't see that one coming. Oh, he's nervous at that talk and oh, he does something ridiculously embarrassing. But because we want the girl to seem approachable, she's going to be irrationally kind about the whole situation. Anyway, I just digress.
Speaker 2I feel like um it's just the same thing. I feel like you're holding on to something and you need to talk to a therapist because you're really affected by this?
Speaker 1Stories? That or you're a sociopath, I might be.
Speaker 2Because you're like how dare they showcase somebody that struggles in life? Fuck that.
Speaker 1It's the same bullshit story. It does not change.
Speaker 2Everything's the same bullshit story.
Speaker 1It really is. There's nothing new. Even if like, even if you boil it, you roll it back a little layer further. All these stories you could go to like I bet you 80% of movies that ever happen they're. It's like this, this idea of like the portal story, Take an ordinary person, something galvanizes them to go on a different path. Heroes, journey yeah, exactly, it's this eight. It has literally every fucking film I mean what would you like? The last samurai.
Speaker 2Where the white person is the hero.
Speaker 3Yes, which is after our dances with wolves.
Speaker 2Yeah, because that hasn't done a million times Goodwill hunting. Let's see the last samurai dance to the wolves Avatar.
Speaker 3Last of Mohicans.
Speaker 2Last of the Mohicans, that one cartoon with the fairies. Where they did they burn down the rainforest?
Speaker 4What, what, yeah it's the same.
Speaker 2It's like Avatar.
Speaker 4It's literally.
Speaker 3Is it recent?
Speaker 2No, it came out like the 90s.
Speaker 3I just hate Spiderman guys, yeah it sounds like you have some stuff to get off your chest about that Fern Gully, kyle Fern Gully.
Speaker 2Gingobies, that's the one, that is the one which apparently would make it live action, I guess.
Speaker 3Interesting.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3I think we need more.
Speaker 2Even if you've never seen it, you've seen the artwork probably.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, with the bat, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2But yeah, that's basically Avatar For goalie.
Speaker 3So that's your favorite type of movie, Billy 100%. And you don't like Avatar yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, I agree. I think it's, for goalie's live action is going to be terrible. I don't understand why they would do that.
Speaker 3Why do they do most stuff? I don't know.
Speaker 2I heard Zendaya is going to be in it because she's in everything.
Speaker 3Is she the next Zoey Saldana?
Speaker 2Was Zoey Saldana in everything, or just in all the things that made a billion dollars?
Speaker 3That one. Guardians of Galaxy. Endgame Avatar, Avatar.
Speaker 1What else. She kind of plays the same character.
Speaker 2She's not Avatar.
Speaker 1She's the same as Gamora.
Speaker 2She's the same as.
Speaker 1Gamora.
Speaker 4She's the greenest blue.
Speaker 2Zoey Zendaya is the new Judy Dinch. It's just like some rainbow, I agree, Just some random. She's the new Maggie Smith.
Speaker 3A new Kirsten Dunst, more of a Margaret.
Speaker 1Thatcher kind of lady, not even an actor.
Speaker 2She's a politician, she's a new Helen Keller?
Speaker 1I think so yeah.
Speaker 2Zendaya that reminds me of. I'm curious, have you seen how many articles are that? It's Elden Ring Meets X Elden Ring Meets. It's a meme now.
Speaker 3It's happening like.
Speaker 2Dark Souls.
Speaker 1Huh, because they're all comparing, because it was so good.
Speaker 2So on Reddit someone compiled the list there was like 42 articles in the last two months where it says Blah, blah, blah game is Elden Ring Meets something, elden Ring Meets a genre, and there's so many articles about that and I was like God and it reminds me of when Skyrim first came out. It's like Skyrim with guns, skyrim like it's so original.
Speaker 3Dark Souls.
Speaker 2Everything was a Souls-like all of a sudden. If a game had any amount of difficulty, it's Souls-like. Yeah, like there's more to the Souls genre than just difficulty. It's a hard game. You can't just be like it's Souls-like. Anyways, rant over.
Speaker 3I guess it's my turn to rant.
Speaker 2Well, my rant wasn't nearly as passionate as his anti-child hero. He robed story, but we're at.
Speaker 1Give me a story that's not about the crush. That's way out of your fucking league. Anything other than that and I might, or being bullied, oh God can't say. There's a lot more shit that happens in childhood than those two ideas.
Speaker 2I don't think that he got his crush I am sorry. And he's like it's un-realistic that the nerd would win the fucking crush, Are you OK?
Speaker 1No, I'm not OK. Need help.
Speaker 3Avatar the Last Airbender.
Speaker 2That is an example of bad live action adaptations.
Speaker 3I don't know, jinglebees, what was your context of Avatar the Last Airbender?
Speaker 2I think we moved on.
Speaker 3I love the way they approach the romance. We are at war.
Speaker 2Yes, I like that. I do like that Katara even straight up, like calls him out on it where she's. Like I just said, I was confused. What are you doing? And like it's not like romances Sure, it's there in the background, but like they're at war with the Fire Nation, you know how far are you, billy?
Speaker 3Have you watched? It continued at all.
Speaker 1I think I'm through the first few. I haven't picked it back up. I've had a couple of things going on.
Speaker 3Did you hate it already?
Speaker 1I don't, oddly, I don't hate it. I don't hate it. It is yet to suck me in.
Speaker 3I'm waiting to be sucked, but not as we learn how much suck Season one.
Speaker 1Well, they bend the air right. So that's yes, suck me in, he's a child.
Speaker 2I just want you to know this. Okay, I would say season one and flagged the one that really like, the first one that really gets you intrigued, at least for me was probably when they go to Roku's Island to figure out that thing, and then he's like.
Speaker 2I don't know if I've been able to master all four elements and he's like you've done it before a thousand lifetimes. And then he comes out and he's Roku. That's the first time in the whole first season where I was like whoa, that's pretty cool. And then the season finale as well was really really hooked the end. But season two it gets so much more. I don't know what the word is, but like it becomes way more character driven and one is tough coming.
Speaker 2Toph comes in episode five of season two. But like Zuko alone I just watched that one because we're like halfway through season two now and Zuko alone is like one of the like one of the best episodes ever for me. It's almost entirely focused on him with his flashbacks back to the Fire Nation and it's like plays out like an old Western. He goes to confront those Earth Kingdom like bullies, you know, and he's like losing and it's yeah, it's got like the tumbleweed and all that, but that one's really good. And then also the Avatar and the Fire Lord in season three is a really good character driven episode.
Speaker 1You guys keeping up with invincible no actually I need to get on. I need to watch that too.
Speaker 2They only they did a partial release.
Speaker 1There's only four episodes out right now, and that's the one that's always lies.
Speaker 2Yeah, that one, that's hot. It's such a. The Zula always lies. It's such a. It shows how fucked Zuko was by his family, his dad and his.
Speaker 1His mom is really the only one that cared for him, see here's a children's story that doesn't involve the girlfriend at the kitchen table.
Speaker 4Yeah, Zuko's talking about it Actually is good.
Speaker 3I don't know who you're trying to prove a point to. Well, you guys, you're not going to ever come to your way thinking you will never convince us that Spider-Man isn't like
Speaker 1see I don't even know what I'm yelling at at this point.
Speaker 4It's mad.
Speaker 1I just hate fall. Yeah, anyway, I'm not. It's let's neutropes, neutropes, neutropes.
Speaker 2But yeah, the Zula always lies, quote. That's where it's like a flashback, where Azula is like you know, dad's going to kill you because he actually was going to kill Zuko, and then he like runs away as a little kid and he's like Azula always lies because he's like freaking out and he's like Azula always lies, azula always lies.
Speaker 2And then it flashes back to him like in modern times, laying there like in the grass, and he's just saying Azula always lies, like you can tell how, like, how fucked it, like his whole life has been. Really feel for that. So that's the first episode where you were like, where you start to see like OK, so he's going to have a redemption arc like he's not just back yeah.
Speaker 3What are your thoughts on Draco Malfoy?
Speaker 2Like as a character, or Tom Felton, the actor character.
Speaker 2You know, interesting. We actually just listened to the audio books, me and Tori for the first one and we're about halfway through the second one. I would say that Draco Malfoy as a character it's definitely not on the level of Zuko or anything, but I do love when he finally comes like kind of full circle in the sixth book and how conflicted he is about being forced to kill Dumbledore and like he has that whole like breakdown in the tower, you know, and then Dumbledore is like talking to him and it shows that not everyone is evil, you know, like sometimes they're just products of their surroundings. But Zuko, his whole character arc I think is probably the best ever written arc for like a redemption arc.
Speaker 2Not just like a redemption arc, but his arc in general is like right up there with like the top five greatest character arcs in like narrative. For me it's that, it's that level.
Speaker 1Draco didn't kill Dumbledore, though ultimately right it was snake. And then that's why the Elder Wand responded ultimately to it actually responded to Draco because Draco killed, Snape Well so the one camera, or how?
Speaker 2the one did respond to Draco, because Draco is the one that disarmed yet, thank you.
Speaker 1So it wasn't who killed, it, just disarmed. That's right yeah.
Speaker 2And then Voldemort misunderstood how it worked and he thought because Snape killed Dumbledore and responded to Snape, that's the best.
Speaker 1Thing.
Speaker 2Yeah, but it actually never belonged to Snape.
Speaker 3And then Harry disarmed Draco at some point, and then the Elder Wand was his right at the end.
Speaker 2And then Harry at the Malfoy Manor disarmed Draco and so technically it belonged to Harry before it ever even was in his hands. That's weird. And he disarmed him by like, literally, just like grabbing it from him and like pulled his wand away and that was counting his disarming. So if you're holding the Elder Wand and someone comes and forcibly takes it away from you, that counts as disarming it. Damn, it's not just a spell.
Speaker 3Wands are fickle.
Speaker 2The wand chooses the wizard.
Speaker 3Obviously not. If you get disarmed, it's like fuck you.
Speaker 2No, if you get disarmed, it's like I choose this guy because you're fucking weak.
Speaker 1Well then, also too, like the wand, choose the wizard, but then can't you like change it out, like doesn't he ask? Like obviously Harry had like a pretty magnificent reaction when he grabbed his wand, but like can't you say, no, I want another one, I don't think you have a choice Really? Yeah, I really don't, I feel like in the Hogwarts Legacy game you could re-roll even though it was like Probably just for game, but like in like actual canon lore.
Speaker 2It does choose you, it chooses you, and you just have to deal with whatever wand chose you.
Speaker 3Jingobi says well, beatrix got disarmed, but it still didn't want to respond to somebody else.
Speaker 2Well, maybe one like the elder wand, because it was developed by those three brothers, or whatever, followed different rules.
Speaker 3Maybe the wand knows you, I don't know who knows.
Speaker 2The elder wand is doesn't, maybe because it's supposed to be passed down generation to generation Easier to, and it follows different set of rules.
Speaker 3What are the rules of Harry Potter wands?
Speaker 2You know we're talking about like rules when it's a world full of wizards casting spells hidden in plain sight, like let's not read in too much about it, you can own a wand but not be connected to it Kind of like how I feel about.
Speaker 3Like Bluetooth. My Bluetooth has no connection. Yeah, Bellatrix.
Speaker 2He said Beatrix and I was like for a second. I was like who's Beatrix?
Speaker 3I was just reading the comment and then Ron's wand was a hammy down and it's never really worked for him.
Speaker 1And then it could nerf his Weasley blood.
Speaker 2And then it broke too, and then he was working with a broken one for like a whole before he finally in the third book, I think.
Speaker 1Ron was such a middle child.
Speaker 2He was. His little sister got so much praise from his parents too.
Speaker 1And older brothers were like have this amazing identity. And there was Ron, a little sad boy, energy running around.
Speaker 2You know I one thing I am realizing, though, after like listening to the books, is Ron is such a better written character in the books than he is in the movies, and the movies he's very like.
Speaker 4he almost is like played off as like the comedic relief of the three, you know, and like he always, comes across as like a wimp and a dork and he's always like freaking out.
Speaker 2In the books he's like way more of a valuable asset to the team. He's constantly coming up with good ideas. He's super brave. He is like yeah, and then like I don't know why, in the movies he's very similar in the movies in a lot of way, but in some of the more critical aspects of Ron they just leave out in the movies and I don't know why.
Speaker 1Well, I think it's probably because they didn't get Ed Sheeran to play him, and that's because, he was around.
Speaker 3Yeah, that could be it.
Speaker 2Yeah, the movies don't do any of the characters justice. Real like, the movies are good on their own, but when you compare them to the books, the characters are just written so much better, especially Dumbledore. Like I never once, watching the movies, got the impression of like holy shit, this guy is like on another level in the books. Anytime he displays any kind of power, it's like everyone just like is like gets their, you know, mind blown. He's just that powerful. Like he especially the battle between him and Voldemort in the fifth book and the movie it's OK. In the book it's crazy. Dumbledore is making statues come to life and started attacking Voldemort and like he's like they're blasting things back in milliseconds, like literally walls are crumbling and shattering and he's, you know, throwing Voldemort across the map.
Speaker 1And then like owning Voldemort like they were.
Speaker 2he was clearly winning, but it was a very like, but it was so much more like Harry. They even like, said, like Harry could just being near that could feel the power, like holding him against the wall, like with how much they were, every one of their blast was damaged, was doing, and like in the movie, it's like an OK battle, but you don't get that sense of like holy shit. This is another level. Yeah, because up until then, it's a student.
Speaker 1I don't even know if I remember them two fighting.
Speaker 2It's not it's it's OK. It's in the Ministry of Magic.
Speaker 1Voldemort's in the Ministry of Magic.
Speaker 2Yeah, and the fifth one. And Harry's there and he's kind of like hiding when Voldemort starts possessing Harry and he's, like you, lost old man laying on the floor.
Speaker 1I don't really remember that. I guess I never. I thought the first time he steps into Hogwarts is that last final push that he has, like when they cross the bridge.
Speaker 2And also Jingle Bees, brings up a good point Hermione in the movies she, a lot of her really good lines in the movies were actually runs. Huh, but like the, when they created the movies, they really wanted to sell Hermione in a way that like people would like, I guess. But so instead they sacrificed the character of Ron for Hermione. Whereas in the book Hermione is she's. She's even more intelligent in the books, if that, if that's you know, if you could believe that. And one of the things, like even in the first one that they leave out entirely is when they're finding the, you know, when they go to coral and he's got Voldemort in the back of his head. In the first one they leave out a whole section where there's also a logic test when they have to solve a puzzle and drink the right potion, otherwise they'll like die. And Hermione is the one that solved it and she told them exactly what needed to be done. And it was like this advanced riddle and the reason that Wizards can't get past that is because they rely so much on their magic that they don't think about things logically. And she, like Hermione, was like well, this is easy. And she tells me and everyone's looking at her, like what the hell? Like, how did, how did she know this? And like so that they just in the movies, they, for sake of time, they kind of like just gloss over a lot of things.
Speaker 2And also, dumbledore was the one that saved Harry. You know, in the movie he touches him and he just turns to dust. That is not what happens in the book. And the book he touches him and it burns him, but it doesn't kill him and he's like, is wrecking Harry, and he's about to kill him and Dumbledore is the one that swoops in and destroys him and saves Harry. Huh, yeah, and they just leave that out in the movie. Now I'm going on a rant about the differences between a movie and book. Wow, sounds quite different.
Speaker 3You never read the books either, Billy.
Speaker 1I did when I was a kid, oh you did, yeah, yeah, I did when I was a kid, so do you remember a lot of what he's talking about.
Speaker 3No.
Speaker 1We read him as nighttime stories. I mean, I was Jesus Christ, like eight 10. I don't remember, I was a kid, kid.
Speaker 2No.
Speaker 1I mean I read through him once. I know a lot of people read through him like multiple times.
Speaker 2Well, wildly smart in the books and it makes her arrogant, unlikeable, she actually. So that's another thing. She both Harry and Ron hate Hermione in the first one and they don't even both of them are like mean to her because of how, like how she portrays herself and they don't even, both of them don't even become friends with her. So, like chapter 11, she's like a tertiary character that they both don't like and tell like after the troll incident, and then she becomes one of the three and in the movie they kind of gloss over that a little bit.
Speaker 3Doesn't she turn a lady into a bug and keep her in a jar? Yeah, or the lady turns into a bug and she traps her in a jar, the lady's a re-deskeeter.
Speaker 2She's an animagus and she could turn into a like a beetle or something, and she traps her in a jar, which wasn't for months. Everybody's like she's a psychopath. She kept her in that jar for months. It was like not even that long, like somehow that's always misinterpreted.
Speaker 3Just a couple weeks, you know, no big deal.
Speaker 2I don't think it was even a couple weeks, to be honest. I'm going to look it up right now. How long was Rita Skeeter in the jar? A few days, alright, that's it, no big deal. A few days Everyone always is saying it's like months. For some reason I was like that didn't even make sense on the timeline. But alright, they're dramatic, like me.
Speaker 3So, to wrap it up, one last thing I wanted to talk about is I went and saw Godzilla minus one and I wanted to do a quick review on it.
Speaker 3It was really good. Kyle, I was talking to Billy before you got here, but as a Godzilla fan and I am like a big Godzilla fan that is probably my favorite interpretation of the Atomic Breath yet I've seen. It was so cool. So what it is now. I'll talk about the movie in a sec, but I gotta tell Kyle so it's. You know, he glows, his spine glows, and then when he blows his breath it shoots, like it looks like a breath and then it shoots. You just see this like and then at where he's aiming, a nuke basically a nuke explodes. What it is so cool.
Speaker 2Oh, I gotta see this, they do it multiple times After the podcast.
Discussion on Japanese Godzilla Film
Speaker 3I'll have Billy try and look it up so you guys can see it, but they show it like two or three times and it's so cool and so. But the movie itself really good, I it's. So it's a Japanese film, it's the Japanese, you know their Godzilla.
Speaker 2So it's not related to the American Monsterverse at all Kind of a reboot of the whole franchise, right Kind of.
Speaker 3Well, it's from what I've heard it's the prequel to the very first Godzilla from 1954 or wherever, whenever that really really the very first one came out. But it follows the story of a, a Kamikaze pilot, and this is it like takes place days after World War II, and it kind of follows his, his journey and how he keeps running into Godzilla and his. You know he has a hero's journey, he has a character arc and it it was just really good because it made first off it made Godzilla scary.
Speaker 3Which you know is I do. I love the American version because they're turning him into an anti-hero and I like to see giant monster fight giant monster Like that's. My brain gets happy when that happens. But this is a much more compelling story, honestly, than than some of those ones. But they make him scary. They give the human character's actual purpose of like. We need to take down Godzilla Like rather than whatever Millie Bobby Brown was doing with the computer in Godzilla vs Kong spilling alcohol on it.
Speaker 3Yeah, and then Godzilla, his design, I, so I do like the American version. Again, I I'm going to have to separate them because the American they're going for a different thing. He's supposed to be. You're supposed to relate to him. He's supposed to be an animal, this one.
Speaker 3He looks creepy and he looks very alien and it, it worked really well, because he's very like almost robotic or like stiff and he never blinks and it just it's creepy, but it's meant to be that way and so it's. He doesn't look like a normal animal, it's like it's like a horror film.
Speaker 3It's definitely yeah, and I mean you think I won't spoil it, but you think everything ties up nicely. It doesn't. It does stop, but it does for a little bit. And then you're like, oh, but even how they come up with like their plan to kill Godzilla is really original. It's like they can't use conventional means to kill him, so they're going to. They come with this elaborate plan in like 1948, of how to kill Godzilla and it's like, okay, and yeah, just Godzilla in that one, he's really cool.
Speaker 2And crazy is that movie had like a $12 million budget.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2And it looks good Like on 12 million versus.
Speaker 3You know our monster movies have $200 million budgets, like but I I did see a good Like explanation not explanation, but a good reason for that is, sadly, Japanese film companies don't have the best reputation for grind and for overworking employees, so probably the reason they were able to stay on that budget is and get it as good as it looked is because those people did not go home for.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3Forever, I'm not okay.
Speaker 2I'm not trying to call any cultures out or anything like that, but I feel like that's a bit of the reputation with Japanese work culture is like they like live to work and versus you know us to a lesser extent in like other countries, like that's not like that at all, yeah, but like they are, it's very common for them to just an average job work 80 hours a week sometimes, yeah.
Speaker 3That's the highest priority, but movie was great. I'd recommend. If you like Godzilla and if you are okay with subtitles I know that's a big turn off for a lot of people I would recommend to go see it especially. I would say, go see it if you can in a movie theater with good speakers. I went and saw it in the, the Dolby Atmos at our local theater here and it was. The sound design was great. Seeing Godzilla's Roars, I still think the American version is my favorite, but it it is. It's pretty scary. They made his Roar more scary than like powerful, powerful and well also the American Godzilla is like 500 times bigger.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, and then this one's big, but like Godzilla in in the monster verse, it's laughable how fucking big they are. Like they're literally like they're insanely big.
Speaker 3Yeah, I, and that's part of why I like the monster versus just how they're like let's make them bigger. And then they even made Kong. They're like we need to make him bigger.
Speaker 2Kong's got to be ginormous too.
Speaker 3So now, they're huge versus King Kong. Originally used to be just like a slightly bigger.
Speaker 2To give you a for for reference King Kong in Peter Jackson's King Kong was 25 feet tall. King Kong, I think, in Godzilla versus Kong was 300 feet tall. Yeah, Gross.
Speaker 3Bert, yeah, he's grown, but yeah, I'd recommend go see it. Really good movie and especially if you, if you're in you know that's actually the first Japanese Godzilla I've seen.
Speaker 4Really.
Speaker 3Yeah, I've seen bits and pieces of the old I watched Shin Godzilla.
Speaker 2Huh, did you watch Shin Godzilla?
Speaker 3No, but I want to.
Speaker 2Good.
Speaker 3Shin Godzilla is also another horror. I know, I know pretty much all about it.
Speaker 2Godzilla is starting to be a bad guy again, which is fine because he can be a hero in in the monster verse and be a bad guy in the Japanese.
Speaker 3Well, that's how he originally started out. He was a villain. He was supposed to be like something scary, but then they kind of got silly with it in there, like let's have him fight other monsters.
Speaker 2Literally what they're doing with the monster verse right now. Yep, the very first one that came out in 2014 was more grounded with Brian Cranston, and it was almost like a horror aspect of it a little bit too, and then they're going the route of it now. It's just getting like it's the fast and furious stuff, the monster of.
Speaker 3Rome out. You know what though it makes still makes more sense than fast Family Family Do anything.
Speaker 2They're screaming at each other, kong and Godzilla, when they're fighting Family.
Speaker 3What's Batman's?
Speaker 4Oh Batman's, Why'd you say that name? Yeah, martha, why'd you say?
Speaker 3Martha. That's what Godzilla and Kong are yelling, he said.
Speaker 2Mothra, mothra, billy, you look lost, no.
Speaker 3I'm just enjoying this conversation. Godzilla, he's got one move Stomp and breath.
Speaker 1I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm excited.
Speaker 3Two moves Picks up a bus and he throws it back down. They made his arms longer now, so you can punch. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2Actually, in Shin Godzilla I wasn't a fan of the design of Godzilla because he had the tiniest, most pointless, useless T-Rex arms, and that's what I liked about the Monster vs Godzilla. He's arms are actually like, Usable, and in Godzilla minus one, his arms are actually not.
Speaker 3They are still kind of useless. He, like I, can probably count on one. I can count on a single finger the times he used it, because he mostly used his mouth.
Speaker 2Yeah, well, that's what T-Rex is.
Speaker 3And he uses tail, good stuff and his feet. You know no reason why he was attacking Japan, which I, you know, think about now it's like because he's evil.
Speaker 4And yeah, he just was a monster.
Speaker 3I want to destroy. But one part I've left out is Godzillas. Like the origin of him in this one is pretty cool too. He's like an ancient T-Rex that survived on an island and then he gets nuked and that's why he turned the radiation, yeah. And then he's much more of a biological horror like Shin Godzilla in this than like Monsterverse, where he's just a giant animal. Now this he's like a mutated freak yeah.
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