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Do you ever find yourself grappling with moral dilemmas in fictional scenarios? What if you had to decide on altercations that could change the course of history, or even shatter the universe itself? This episode of our podcast is a wild ride where we take on these conundrums, breaking down iconic decisions made by characters like Thanos, and asking the uncomfortable question, would you eliminate Baby Hitler if you had a chance? We wrestle with these hypotheticals and explore the complex interplay between suffering, wisdom, and the human condition.
But it's not all heavy stuff. We lighten the mood by diving into our shared love for gaming and movies, questioning the cost and effectiveness of cinematic trailers that form the backbone of marketing for titles like Diablo, Overwatch, and Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO. We share our frustrations with over-marketing, and how it often reveals too much about the plot. Alongside, we discuss the escalating budgets of movies, heavily influenced by the usage of CGI. But we're not just critics - we're also huge fans who fondly remember our early podcast days, the wild discussions we've had, and we share some great laughs about it.
We end the episode on a lighter note, reminiscing about our favorite childhood cartoons like Avatar: The Last Airbender and the charming SpongeBob SquarePants, and how they continue to hold a special place in our hearts. We also share our experiences with the tranquil beauty of snow in the city and have a playful discussion around Disney's Frozen and how "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?" has turned into an everyday tune in our households. So, come join us in this roller coaster of an episode – you'll laugh, think, and maybe even sing along!
If you enjoy our episode's content, come check us out on twitter @KDratiopodcast, YouTube as The KD Ratio Podcast! or on Instagram KDratiopodcast
We pulled this episode directly from our live stream over on YouTube. Come check us out!
The following description was written by A.I.
Do you ever find yourself grappling with moral dilemmas in fictional scenarios? What if you had to decide on altercations that could change the course of history, or even shatter the universe itself? This episode of our podcast is a wild ride where we take on these conundrums, breaking down iconic decisions made by characters like Thanos, and asking the uncomfortable question, would you eliminate Baby Hitler if you had a chance? We wrestle with these hypotheticals and explore the complex interplay between suffering, wisdom, and the human condition.
But it's not all heavy stuff. We lighten the mood by diving into our shared love for gaming and movies, questioning the cost and effectiveness of cinematic trailers that form the backbone of marketing for titles like Diablo, Overwatch, and Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO. We share our frustrations with over-marketing, and how it often reveals too much about the plot. Alongside, we discuss the escalating budgets of movies, heavily influenced by the usage of CGI. But we're not just critics - we're also huge fans who fondly remember our early podcast days, the wild discussions we've had, and we share some great laughs about it.
We end the episode on a lighter note, reminiscing about our favorite childhood cartoons like Avatar: The Last Airbender and the charming SpongeBob SquarePants, and how they continue to hold a special place in our hearts. We also share our experiences with the tranquil beauty of snow in the city and have a playful discussion around Disney's Frozen and how "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?" has turned into an everyday tune in our households. So, come join us in this roller coaster of an episode – you'll laugh, think, and maybe even sing along!
If you enjoy our episode's content, come check us out on twitter @KDratiopodcast, YouTube as The KD Ratio Podcast! or on Instagram KDratiopodcast
Hello, we're live how you doing. You got a past gas. What do we? What's? The angle here. I'll see you later. Later, gentlemen, happy holidays, just me. Well, I don't know what he's doing. He's an enigma. I don't ever know what he's doing. Happy holidays, billy. Yes, how was your Thanksgiving? Can't hear you?
Speaker 1:We, there's somebody talking to us off screen. Hey, jamie, can you pull this up? For me, thanksgiving was good.
Speaker 2:How was yours, Billy? Mine was great. We had 25 people and 12 dogs.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:It was nutty and you're a introvert.
Speaker 2:Well, that's my family dude. That has nothing to do with that dude. I've grown up with these people. Oh my God, it's the 12 dogs that I get hyped about. It's good time, it's a good time.
Speaker 1:I love my family, did you?
Speaker 2:hear that? Did you hear that Jamie? Pull that up, jamie. What's the definition of an introvert? No, you know. So we had a really good time. It was enjoyable, relaxing. And then I had like a second Thanksgiving that I hosted here. We had like Thanksgiving leftover sandwiches and the turkey that I made was absolutely bang Disgusting. Oh my God. It was so good, it was flawless. I brined it but I carved it down. I spatchcocked it but I even broke it down even further into each of the sections, brined it overnight and then I smoked it and it was. It was just literally flawless. It was so, so, damn good. So very happy that we had a great Thanksgiving holiday.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to kick off tonight with a thought experiment.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And then we have a couple of topics to get into. I want to talk about Thanos and his objectives, because I and this is not going to be a Marvel philosophy like thought experiments. It's going to be like a very human based thought experiment. But the idea is, you know, thanos's whole goal was to snap his fingers, wipe out 50% of all. I think was it intelligent life or all life, so like plants?
Speaker 1:I think it's all life.
Speaker 2:All life. That's what I understood it to.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what, though it might just have been intelligent, because I didn't, they didn't show at least plants like that, or ants, poor ants, you know, 15 trillion ants died at the step. Of no one talks about why I'm a man was so mad. That's right.
Speaker 2:But so the whole idea was he had gone through the suffering of Titan, right, and seen it play out, where no one was really willing to make the drastic changes to alleviate some of that late cycle stress caused by aging civilizations who are demanding too many resources, right, that's the whole thought. So my question to you guys is does it? Does it makes it like everybody disagreed with Thanos, like, oh, we're just not going to be like you, but obviously he had already seen it played out. So, like there's that argument to be made. Was he right? Was he wrong? That's not what I really want to get into. What I want to get into is the idea of if you have the ability to skip past true suffering, is that like, should you do that? And what? The reason why? Like, the reason why I frame it that way is you know, you always hear that like there's another thought experiment of you know, would you go back in time and kill baby Hitler? Like you know, like you know what the outcome is of that, would you go and do that? And I think, like, well, overnight, I think it's like 99% of people who are polled being asked this question, they do it immediately, like there's no hesitation. And so my question is like, if we don't go through that whole thing, hello, we don't go through that whole thing. And hey, jamie, why don't you go out there and grab that, jamie, grab the food? If you don't go, if you don't endure that suffering and then collectively, as a species, gather that wisdom gained from that suffering, I think there's some good to come from that. So I'll preface it this way like, let me, let me lay this idea out and share my whole thought before I hear yours.
Speaker 2:We have, you know, like World War II triggered a lot of, like a global event. Of course, right, it's World War II. And then you have everybody getting involved. I'm not sure if you know, if World War II doesn't happen, I'm not sure if the US develops nuclear technology as fast as they do, I think they were really galvanized after Pearl Harbor and things like that to really step up efforts to do that thing. So imagine if we don't develop nukes during that era and we develop nukes during the Cold War era and maybe the US and Russia develop nukes at the same time, like we kind of almost were, in my opinion, we might have been blessed, might have been blessed to be able to develop those years before any other country and then use them as bad as they were. To then give us 20 years, almost before anyone even had the technology to do the same thing, to really reflect on this, is a really bad thing to do.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I mean? Versus? Imagine if we escalated to the Cold War. We developed those at the same time as Russia, and now we're using them on each other and we don't have that time to really react and think. You know? So, like that's just one piece that we may have been benefited by being galvanized in the way that we were. So yeah, so we. I'm just curious as to your thoughts, like if you understand that, like does it make sense? Because that's sort of what Thanos was going for? He's like I know what's going to happen, let's avoid it, but I think there's something to be learned in that, through that suffering.
Speaker 1:But see, here's the, here's the. I'm gonna you covered a lot of ground there. First I'm gonna touch on the whole Thanos thing. I was, I was part of the subreddit on Reddit. Obviously Thanos did nothing wrong. Oh yeah, and you know I. But the whole issue with Thanos is if you have a magical glove that can grant your wishes, why not ask for infinite resources instead?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know it's like. So that's the whole thing with Thanos. Is I get?
Speaker 2:you want to pass on out.
Speaker 1:Bring it over here, I'll pass it out.
Speaker 2:I'll pass it out. I'm shocked Jamie's not diving into this. He was one bitchin' about it.
Speaker 1:So, but as far as the whole moral dilemma of like we we learn and we grow from the pain, I do think that's true and I think it's. It is a tough dilemma that I don't, I don't think there's a right answer for, because, you know, if you had the power to time travel and you had the power to save millions of lives, the issue with that is that it would cause who knows what it would cause, and you can't fix every problem. And so you know there's there's arguments for both side of doing it and if not doing it, and you know it's almost like what gets created in Hitler's, you know yeah like what is a Raider Evil gonna replace it?
Speaker 1:And so it's almost like it's like it's the trolley problem. It is actually so, it's it's whether you kill one person. Actually, it's further than the trolley problem. It's like a trolley that leads into another trolley that leads into multiple trolleys, but it's like at that point you know the whole solution.
Speaker 2:You kill the guy who cured cancer, but you save two kids you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So it's like, and it's like at one point, is it worse to interact, because then you're actively killing that person, or is it better to just not interact at all? And just because, like that's the whole trolley thing, is like, not even touch the lever, that means you didn't. You didn't do anything.
Speaker 2:Do you know the results of that? Like, almost like 40% of people can't, or is it like 40 or 60? It's a high number of people who, who choose the to not save. Like in action. Yeah, they, they, they do in action.
Speaker 1:I watched, there was a video.
Speaker 2:It's crazy to me.
Speaker 1:I don't remember who did it, but there was a video. You know what it might have been Vsauce Kyle, what do you hand the drinks? But there was a video where they did like a live experiment of people to see if what they would choose, like in a real life trolley situation, like there was a train. It was a pretty cool setup, but what they found is that it was really dependent on like what you had experienced beforehand too, like immediately beforehand, yeah, like if, if beforehand you were kind of primed to be like helpful, rather than it was. It was just interesting. But so that's, that's a tough dilemma, billy, and I don't. I think I would lean on the side and this is just from, like all the pop culture I've seen I would lean on the side of.
Speaker 1:I would lean on the side of of not doing anything, because so allowing the events to happen as allowing the events to happen, just because that's kind of how I view my personal life of like I personally would never want to go change anything about growing me growing up, because that's I know that's who you are now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I like who I am now and so I don't, but I'm sorry, no, I don't like you.
Speaker 2:That's what I was saying.
Speaker 1:You don't like, okay, Well.
Speaker 2:I think you kind of turned out to be a good thing.
Speaker 1:This is the last episode.
Speaker 2:Eat up. I poisoned your burger from what you be. Shit your braids up for the next three days. You're like dead cocksucker.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I would lean, I guess, on the side of inaction, unless it was some crazy like the Avengers had to deal with like half of all life and I was a superhero. What about you? What side would you lean on? And what about you chat?
Speaker 2:Well it's, it's interesting. It's like because this kind of does happen, right, they fail to beat Thanos, then they go back in time to then stop him from winning. And now the whole MCU has been dealing with the fallout of which I kind of love that they touch on dealing with the fallout of, like these people were gone for like five years, like that's going to have a huge effect on society. So it's kind of they barely touch on it, but it's like which is the obviously 50% of the universe. That's probably something you do take action on, you know, especially like that's just kind of that's just kind of crazy. But I don't. It's such a gray nuanced discussion Because the more I thought about it, like I feel like if you asked me that question two years ago, it's like yeah, absolutely, I'm going back in time and stopping World War II, like that's not a, that's not a question, but then exactly what you were talking about what happens in its void and what lessons do we not learn?
Speaker 2:Do we develop Like do we develop?
Speaker 1:Do we all dive through?
Speaker 3:nuclear war Exactly.
Speaker 2:Do we?
Speaker 1:do we get into like a Holocaust situation where it's not good Because the exact scenario you said, where it's like if we don't launch the nuke at Japan, and we don't see how fucking terrible that is, then there's no you know we tensions were already high during the Cold War and that's because we knew the chaos from the nuclear bomb. Imagine if we didn't. You know crazy stuff. Jamie is over here now.
Speaker 2:So did you hear the kind of the conversation that we've been having, Like what are your, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 3:I am not going to lie. I did not hear All. I heard was, if we hadn't of launched the atomic bomb in World War II, we wouldn't have understood why that's such a bad deal when the Cold War came around.
Speaker 1:Billy was asking basically like if you had the ability to, like Thanos, skip over suffering or correct suffering, would you no?
Speaker 3:Okay. The problem with that is there is no suffering flip side of that. There is nothing good without understanding the bad. I think that has to exist on to understand the opposite. I'm not saying that's pretty, that's definitely not like good in any way, but I think everything has to have equal and opposites to exist.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:But luckily I'll never be in a position where I have the ability to have that effect on life or anything. So it's not me that's making that choice, because I can't even say that's the right thing. That's just what my gut is saying right now.
Speaker 2:So you would if you had the ability to time travel. You would just go back.
Speaker 3:You would never even go back in time, I wouldn't change anything. There's nothing that would change because there's no telling what anything that would be changed. There's no telling what that would do to the future. Everything has caused an effect. So, even the horrible atrocities and terrible things that happened and all the things that existed, I wouldn't, I would never make the decision to go and change that I think big point of like where that belief comes from, at least for me, is like back to the future.
Speaker 3:I mean back to the future is a bunch of bullshit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as Avengers said. So victory agrees with Jamie and I agree with you. What about you, Billy?
Speaker 2:I think it's such a delicate thing, like if you possess the power to continue to go back in time, then obviously you can keep going back in time to correct forever, but then, like you're just so, micromanagy on the universe.
Speaker 1:And I wish you guys had watched and it was to make you judge Exactly.
Speaker 2:I really wish you guys would have already seen Loki season two, because we could have a really deep discussion about the implications of what happens. But do you know what happens at the end of it? Have you seen the photos, loki?
Speaker 1:I have, I'm sure Kyle has. Loki becomes the one who I haven't looked up any spoilers.
Speaker 3:Okay, seriously, okay, you could say it, though I'm not too worried about it, I just haven't been interested enough in it.
Speaker 2:He becomes the, he becomes the god of stories and he kind of transcends he who remains and what you learn is he who remains. You know how he kind of cuts out, like at the end of season one he goes I don't know what happens from here. Well, he's. He's lying about that. And the whole idea is he had this inclination that Loki could, loki, based on his powers, had the ability to time slip in and out of the universe. And so he's literally, loki literally has the ability to be the time stone at will, without the time zone. And so he was like oh, I've been managing this, these, this multiverse, for eons. I'm tired of this. And so he was like now I'm just going to let Loki do it and have like the multiverse of multiverses, like because his, he was keeping everything in one sacred timeline.
Speaker 2:Kang was. Now Loki's perspective is he's going to keep everything going and there is no sacred timeline, there's all timelines and all possibilities. And so right now the universe of Kang's exist in a similar dimension as like the TVA, which is outside of time. So the universe of Kang's there's like a Council of Kings. They already exist outside of town time, so they're not affected by anything that Loki can control. But Loki is now the they call the God of stories, and he he is like. He is literally he who remains now, but even at a but without one sacred timeline. Now there's a multitude of anything that can happen.
Speaker 1:Interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1:Jinglebee said as far as around the conundrum, suffering is inevitable. Will need it to advance and to grow. Smooth seas don't make good sailors, but they think they would end. Need the suffering like the Holocaust, world Hunger etc.
Speaker 3:I would need an assurance that by ending the Holocaust, another one wouldn't just happen, A part of the reason why we're able to avoid such atrocities, because we've learned it in our history. I don't think simply by going back in time and killing Hitler or you know, removing the Holocaust that we know would change human nature. I think that unless there's something for us to see visually, that's just what humans are Another one would inevitably happen. If you think you, that's my only concern. That would be if I had the power to go back and change that. That would be my only concern, and I'd be afraid of fucking it up even more.
Speaker 2:That's my exact point with like the atomic bomb is like we have to go through that experience to know it's like, to know it's devastation, like we have to experience that and the fact that we developed it literally a couple of decades before anyone else had the power to do so and we can see the full play out of effect. I think it's not that crazy to say that that there might be some good from that, that we had the time and the ability to study, to learn that and go what a fucking atrocity, horrible shit happened from that. You ruined that land, radiation, whatever that. You killed off countless civilians and kids and like let's not do this. And I think everyone kind of their eyes were opened to the atrocities. That's incredibly profound Jingle Bees. I've never heard that before. The smooth seized makes does not make a good sailor. I've never heard that before. I love that saying. Is that? Did you just come up with that or is that a common? I'm curious how I'm not asking you.
Speaker 1:I feel like I've heard it.
Speaker 3:I've heard a variation of that. I've never heard that one specifically, but I have heard versions of that, like variations of that same thing.
Speaker 2:I just feel like we're such a creature of change and we're like change through suffering, right like if you think about even something as simple as like exercise. I Heard it from neck deep.
Speaker 3:I don't even know what hell that is. What the fuck.
Speaker 2:That's like a porn spin-off or something. We're neck deep, boys and girls, jesus Christ. But I think like we are. So I think, as humans, we're drawn to suffering. Because if you think about like, what makes us better, it's going through that struggle. Why do we like Souls games? Because you go through the sub struggle and suffering to get that one Moment of. I beat that boss after three hours I've been grinding it, or you know, we go and we exercise Day in. Well, we don't, but day in, day after, people go and exercise to build their bodies up so that they're better. Right, I think we're such. I think just human nature is drawn to suffering.
Speaker 1:I just agree. I don't think we're drawn to suffering. I think we're drawn to evolution, to improvement, which, sometimes suffering, you need to suffer to endure but I don't think we're drawn to suffering itself. I think we're just accepting of that. Sometimes you have to suffer to get better. Dude, there's so many like you have to, yeah total side tangent.
Speaker 3:I Just ate the like grossest, like floor broccoli. I've ever had like it tasted almost as if someone dropped this on the floor, stepped on it and then put it back in my, my bowl here. Yeah, these fries are garbage and my shake was so thick just now that when you guys are having this deep conversation, I'm literally over here like Trying to get it like but other than that's delicious.
Speaker 2:But to your point, the only way that we grow and evolve is to change, adapt and to suck, to endure suffering, some level of suffering, right like jingles, with all the fucking like Profound butterfly needs to struggle and push out of its cocoon to strengthen its wings.
Speaker 3:I know if you were to help a butterfly out, it wouldn't be able to fly. That's why the mom bird just kicks it out of them. Get the fuck out.
Speaker 2:They don't fly on their own. Right she, they eat them. Right, they just eat. You don't see you. I say have fun, do her now or survive.
Speaker 2:You know, it's kind of interesting with, like adopted Lincoln, my puppy, and it was interesting to see like we would. We would go over and visit whenever he was like a week or two old and, and you know, we went back when he was six weeks and then we got him when he was eight weeks. It was interesting to see the relationship of other species with their parents. It was like those first six weeks the mom is so protective of the puppies. But then by week eight, when we came over to pick them up, she was like get this fucking guy away. Like it's, it's so fast. It's like it's like they have their role in society as like this matriarchal, you know, giving them life through feeding off of herself, and it's like they do that role, so they're protective. It's amazing. And then it's like they hit that time when it's like, all right, you're good enough on your own. You're like, wow, how does that? It's such a, you know, nature nurtured kind of thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, crazy, how old is an eight month dog in dog ears, yeah, like.
Speaker 2:Seven times eight months.
Speaker 1:I don't even know if it's that way.
Speaker 2:It's at least a equivalent of a five-year-old maybe. You know, it's not like they have to build intelligence, it's just they need to be able to, like some, navigate and yeah they Grow to like their most Intelligent version.
Speaker 3:Not wise, like like I feel like an old dog is wise because they've they've learned from years of doing this in some shit but like they get about as intelligent as they'll ever get within, like that first year, but like they get wiser as it as it goes along, if that makes sense. You know, One year's, all day. One year, one on one way.
Speaker 2:There's definitely a bell curve right in terms of wisdom. I think you it's that moment like you're a learner, you're a learner, you're a learner. Then you start translating that knowledge into like action and like really good, cohesive decisions. And then I think you start falling off and you just like become ultra Conservatives, stuck in your ways back in the day, kind of you know, like you. Just you refuse to continue to learn, be open to new suggestions and then, like Now you're just kind of like you are what you are, you're set this down and then and then obviously you become senile.
Speaker 1:That's life.
Speaker 2:I'm already there and that's life. You wanted to talk about this weird add, ai add or no. Well, yeah, we how about World of Warcraft, kyle cinematics, the transition man, well, so I want to keep talking on this topic. I Want to dive into my burger, so I was just keeping you guys in.
Speaker 3:Well, we can, I'm just eating Like I just going, I don't.
Speaker 1:I've eaten my, my main meal, so I'll go and talk about the AI thing. Um, I got this ad. I mean, I don't really have much to say about it. Besides, it was weird. It was this ad on YouTube and it was Of this AI companion dog and the commercial was so weird because it felt like it was the whole commercial was just AI itself, like one of those AI generated. But it's this dog and and it like I Don't get the point of why you would buy it. I don't understand. But like the in the commercial, the guy talks to it and he's like Can you get me a water? And it says I'm sorry I can't do that, but I will pleasure you with dancing instead. And it's like what?
Speaker 3:and I just it's weird, man, it's weird. What's the price tag on this?
Speaker 1:So for the light version 1600.
Speaker 2:Which I think that's approachable. But what's weird is like I would sell the comic 1600 for a real dog. People, they've tripled that.
Speaker 3:I know yeah, I like I know that's crazy with you.
Speaker 2:What's interesting is we just happen to look at the comments while you buzzed off, became Jamie, transcended Kyle now back. Um, damn, they were really Positive. They were nothing like. This is so cringy. It was like, oh, this is amazing. What if those were paid comments? They're probably more AI.
Speaker 1:They're all the puppies all the puppies, oh, the AI dogs. Take the video dogs are gonna take over the world. If you guys want to check it out, what's what's? You haven't pulled up, billy, what the name is, or I can grab it.
Speaker 2:Rob it. Let me uh, hold on. It's called the Go unitry.
Speaker 1:Go to and it is such an odd commercial and like I Feel like it's a scam. It might not be, but I feel like it is you don't think it is. No go to. If our viewers can give us money, we could test out. We could see if it's a yeah, we'll do that.
Speaker 3:Anyone got $600?
Speaker 2:You donate it now you realize people watching our wives. Well, what happened?
Speaker 3:to the $600 of my savings.
Speaker 1:You donated it as a fan, but yeah, that's. That's pretty much all I wanted to say, unless you guys had something more to add about weird robot.
Speaker 3:I'm interested in AI, but AI dogs, ai pets, I don't get it. That doesn't interest me.
Speaker 2:It's so close, I feel like, to being it, like it's able to move around. Obviously it's got probably a set things that it responds to, but it's so close to becoming like so useful. But you had that attachment that it could grab stuff with if it had like a hand on its back where it could do stuff.
Speaker 3:And it's not like dog.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a fuck toy. I thought that's where you were going.
Speaker 1:When.
Speaker 3:Howard gets stuck on the hospital.
Speaker 2:It trans like now it's becoming like a useful tool, like, hey, it can hold this for you while you're working on something. It can go and grab you something like it. It's close to being like an actual aid. I just can't wait for to the point where we can have like a kitchen robot that it can go into your fridge, grab out the supplies for dinner, chop all the vegetables that you need to do.
Speaker 3:Very similar like iRobot the movie, where like it just is like slamming through revolt and, yeah, I take over, though no, it could do be a little.
Speaker 2:But it's like like they're all there, it's chopping up all the the veggies, it's getting everything ready, like imagine. Imagine that, like people, I could see that being like a huge thing for people Because now they can have, now it's not an excuse of I don't have time to cook, now they have something that can help them cook, get everything prepped and ready, actually maybe even do the cooking for you. I could see that being a huge boost to people like actually eating in the home and Eating healthier phenomenal point jingle bees.
Speaker 3:I agree with you like 90% of the time. Why would I want an AI dog when Nintendo still exists? Yeah, that's all you need.
Speaker 1:That's about as AI pet as I'll get and my question is why, if you're gonna make an AI companion, why a dog? Why not like R2-D2?
Speaker 3:Have an AI companion. I want it to be useful, like I don't want. I want it to be able to, like you said, I want it to be able to do things I wanted to be able to, like go make me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Yes, master.
Speaker 1:Instead of the dog. No, but I'll dance to pleasure you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm not sure weirdly pleasureed by some robot I asked for water. Like this is weird to me. I.
Speaker 1:Want it? Opposable thumb, with opposable thumbs at least.
Speaker 2:Yes, please yeah at the end of day, it's not. It's not a, it's a tool. It's not like If you're trying to emulate being a dog, then emulate being a dog. Shit on the rug every once in a while. I'll take a piss on my drapes.
Speaker 1:Whatever it is like talking about that, the robot.
Speaker 2:But yeah, no jingle bees if you're gonna have Like that's what I said like if it's trying to be a dog I told Dylan before this started, you know, if you put a little patch of hair on its back so you can pet it, or something like right now it's just plastic and metal.
Speaker 3:so I don't know, I yeah.
Speaker 2:So, like I pick out, pick what you're you're going to be, I think it's trying. It can't do those useful things yet, so it's just trying to go for like the cute thing. But you guys are absolutely right, you're gonna be cute, like steer into, like a crazy robot, like be, like a Trash can looking thing with like a 12 inch LCD screen and then if then you have some kind of that. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, you guys have probably seen the robot servers, yeah, in like restaurants dude.
Speaker 3:Yeah it's insane.
Speaker 2:Oh, the hotel rooms and stuff for the robot door dashers.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, we have them around. We have a university near us. I love them. They're so. I don't this is the wrong word to assign to him, but it's what I see them as. They're cute. There's little cars Like this big and it's basically a cooler with wheels and they have lights and they have a little flag. No, and it's just funny to watch them.
Speaker 3:I saw one at a normal ass crosswalk, it's I don't know. They somehow connect to the lights because it's set up the lights, and I stopped and I was like huh, there's, there's no one here, weird. And then I look and it just starts going like alright, I guess I'm waiting for this thing. Well, like it didn't even go to a light, it went to a normal crosswalk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's just, it's hilarious because you'll just see like you might see an army of them or a convoy. They're all following each other, but I, I love it oh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3:It reminds me of those like they used to be, like these robot dog toys. Yes, you know talking about Kirby, kind of, but there was like sharper image used to have it.
Speaker 1:They had a dinosaur still a thing.
Speaker 3:They had a dinosaur, robot dinosaur.
Speaker 1:They didn't really do anything, but now that's what I reminded that's what reminds me of I had, the robot dinosaur. Yeah, yeah, but he was like he didn't do anything, like it was just like you you know, I would never pay $1600.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no.
Speaker 1:Now, if you gave me a robot Godzilla that could breathe fire, they could breathe fire. I'm in imagine if we're all hanging out like, oh it's good, fire going you're like okay, Hold on.
Speaker 2:Someone say fire Although it's like the loudest noise ever, like I max theater status Godzilla roar. But then it comes around the corner, it's all yeah, and there's no volume control for that screen.
Speaker 3:It's always max with your house shakes, I Would pay some money.
Speaker 2:I would pay some money, I would pay some money, I would pay some money.
Speaker 3:I would pay some money. I would pay $1600 for that. I would no doubt, I've changed my whole opinion. That's my, if I'm gonna get an AI pet it's gotta be a Godzilla. What is that too?
Speaker 1:too much fast. Come on AI developers. What was the name of the company? Open root or whatever. Make Godzilla next unit. Tree Katie ratio is requesting a Godzilla unit and you can send it to us to for review. If you want, we can get a review copy. That'd be great.
Speaker 3:I'm not a world of warcraft, alright well, Kyle, are you ready to talk about World of Warcraft?
Speaker 3:I mean, I don't really have much to talk about World of Warcraft other than Blizzard is very technically impressive with, like, their cinematics, and they just release the cinematic for this new expansion for World of Warcraft. Like I said, I'm not a World of Warcraft guy really, so I can't offer anything intelligent in that realm. Is it impressive to see what they can do with CG now and stuff? Obviously, the game doesn't look anything like that, but I would love to see just a full movie with that level. I wonder how much the budget on that would be. That'd be crazy.
Speaker 1:Did you ever watch Love, death and Robots?
Speaker 3:On Netflix. I watched, not all of it.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, it's not, you know, it's like a little snippet or it's anthology.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But those are amazing. Like some of those have the CG animation. That's on that level. But Blizzard whoever they have that directs those. Or just top notch, like you go look at the Diablo one, it's amazing. You go look at any of the it literally went.
Speaker 3:The cinematic for Diablo made Billy go from I can't stand Diablo to. It's the greatest trailer I've ever seen.
Speaker 1:That was a cinematic yeah.
Speaker 3:So they're good at that. They are good at that. Any Overwatch, any Overwatch, I love. I love watching those like it's like a Pixar movie yeah.
Speaker 1:Super good. So they are on the top of their game. But how do you guys feel about cinematics like that Advertising for a game?
Speaker 2:I think it brings in people who aren't already christened with the franchise. If I'm, like a fan of the game, I couldn't give a shit about your cinematic trailers. I want to see gameplay. But you're a fan of Diablo, I have never played a Diablo game before, then you really like the cinematic the idea, I guess, is the people that play World of Warcraft.
Speaker 3:They're not. They know the gameplay. I don't think it's other than like new bosses and things like that. It's not going to change the game, the way the game plays. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Imagine watching like Monday Night Football and a Blizzard ad comes on and it's a fucking Paladin. Like killing a raid boss, with all the numbers on the screen and all the skill.
Speaker 3:Like wow, it doesn't translate, Doesn't make any sense at all.
Speaker 2:But they show that and you go, holy shit.
Speaker 3:I looked this shit up. Yeah, this looks incredible.
Speaker 1:So I kind of agree with Jingle Bees on Personally I like those cinematic trailers, but I do find it annoying, or I find it. I hate when it's like almost misleading, which I mean every cinematic trailer is misleading in a way around the gameplay aspect.
Speaker 3:I guess I'm making an assumption Like. I guess as gamers, it's very easy, I think, for us to look at something like this is a cinematic trailer.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's obviously not gameplay, and so like when you see that right off the rip, it's very easy for me to be like like know that it's cinematic and I'm not worried about, like it doesn't trick. I don't think I could be fooled into thinking that cinematic trailer gameplay. But once upon a time I definitely was like. I remember when Assassin's Creed, brotherhood, I don't know, I was like 15 maybe when that game came out somewhere around there 16. And I remember when it came out that cinematic trailer, I was like holy shit, this game looks amazing. And then I played it. I was like, okay, it doesn't really look anything like that.
Speaker 3:But that was a long time ago.
Speaker 1:Star Wars the old Republic, their cinematics Incredible. I love them. I wish we got a movie of just that. But that is nowhere close to the gameplay and I think I did fall victim to that one where it's like I saw it. I was like, oh wow, this game looks awesome. And then I looked up game play.
Speaker 2:I was like oh, oh, this is not that. Do you get frustrated, like as a fan of, like even film this applies to film too how much money goes to these marketing budgets? Because, like these things to create, they're not cheap. I think, like I want to say like that, that one that you linked with the World of Warcraft one I heard somebody talking about it because I watched BlizzCon and stuff I think it was like something like $5 million to produce. Right, it's very expensive to create these things, wouldn't you maybe later? Yeah, you didn't want it, oh, you're not taco guy, oh, it's cheese on it.
Speaker 1:Well, I didn't order a taco, I just got you one, oh yeah, I got you taco.
Speaker 2:We got a couple extra too. If you don't want it, you don't have to, I'll take it, okay, but like it's kind of frustrating Now you can't get him a fucking drink. Okay, you have my taco, you can't have my. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:I just share everything, right. You know I'm holding hands with you over here.
Speaker 2:You drink my drink Boy, we got something going on. It's just kind of mind blowing to me how much marketing costs.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Like you know, you see the budget for these films and it's like how much did they Like the Marvel, the Marvel's film that just came out? I think that was like a. I think I linked it to you guys. You sent that image how much it cost to make that film. It was more than like any of the Avengers films, which is crazy.
Speaker 3:Well, it's not more than the Avengers, but it was more than like I guess it was second only to Avengers. It was something.
Speaker 2:It was like over 300 million, I think, to make this film and I think no other film in the Marvel series was more than that. And I think, like 150 million of that budget was just to market it and it's like, oh my God, they made the thing for 150 million but the true cost was 300 million just to post ads. Mind blowing how expensive our eyeballs are.
Speaker 1:So does that, like seeing that, does that upset you? Because I would say, personally, it doesn't, because, like, at that point, the movie's already made and it's just an expectation I have of, of course, they're going to market it.
Speaker 2:It doesn't bother me in film, it bothers me in games. Because it doesn't bother me like, it just kind of upsets me. It's unfortunate that the studio has to dedicate that many resources, because I've always played MMOs, live service games that I kind of am always hungry and demanding more content of, and it's like, okay, let's say I was a wow fan. I see this. They spend $5 million to create this three-minute, 10-minute cinematic or whatever it was. And you get done with that and you're like I would have rather had 10 developers on salary, on payroll, for five years, you know, to actually develop new content or make that thing that was kind of cool a lot better. You know, I would rather have the resources and to developing the product better. But film, that's just the cost of playing the game. You know the same with music it's the cost of playing the game. Right, you got to get in with the record studio that they can then market your shit. But with games it's like, because I always have played like Guild Wars, which is less, it's a much smaller studio, there's no subscription fee. So their resources were always very, very tight and so anytime you saw these like animated things that they were trying to hype up or they were.
Speaker 2:When Guild Wars 2 came out, I think they had like a $2.5 million. It was like a million or $2.5 million eSports and you're like fucking eSports for this game, like nobody's what the hell, there's not even a strong PvP scene. It's like take that budget and make your game better, use the thing for, like, people want to play, and so that's why I always kind of bummed me out because it's like man, I don't know if it has to be this way, but because in gaming you can have like there's so many content creators around the gaming sphere that if you just make a really great product like Elden Ring or I think even Liza P popped off a little bit too Like these, liza P was truly like an independent studio. It's a smaller, much smaller studio. Baldur's Gate 3, like they didn't really market that in the sense of, like you know, having great, you know more than animated trailer.
Speaker 2:It was just like the product was really good and then the engine around that game, which is YouTube and content creators, built that game up to the stratosphere, and I feel like that's the model that you should probably prefer just make your product so fucking good and don't worry about the marketing, because if it's so good, the marketing will come naturally. Who was that say about World of Warcraft? Oh, blizzard, I've never played it.
Speaker 3:But so a quick little Google search confirmed that, just for the technology alone behind it. This doesn't include, obviously, salaries, manpower, all of that marketing.
Speaker 2:It costs about $10,000 a minute for these trailers these energy trailers you can guarantee there's thousands of hours of humans animating that.
Speaker 3:So for every minute of CG film on these impressive cinematic trailers, it's $10,000, just in the technology alone.
Speaker 2:It's kind of almost. That's almost kind of cheap. That seems almost approachable.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, if you were to do a full length movie, for just the tech alone that'd be about $1.2 million. I guess. If you're going, if you say like 120 minutes or whatever, and then you add in actor salaries and you could still make a relatively cheap film, I would say the most expensive part with anything is the talent.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, Well, and then you've got like this is that trailer, specifically, is like the pinnacle of technology versus you could go like a generation or two back and it's probably much more economical, you know, if you're a smaller studio, to then leverage that?
Speaker 1:So on the on our on our screen, we have YouTube pulled up. That got me thinking what you guys were saying about. You know, though, we have Godzilla and other movies where a major portion of the film is CG no Godzilla. The budget for Godzilla was 155 to 200 million.
Speaker 3:So I don't know what causes it to just skyrocket at some point, but that's like, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:That's a you know, like, of course, Godzilla. It's not all Godzilla, but it's gotten a lot better towards like some human, some Godzilla, some human.
Speaker 3:Because that chick from Stanger Things has a hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's ridiculous. 11. But.
Speaker 1:I know they had like.
Speaker 2:Godzilla, godzilla versus, just a touch on that, godzilla versus Kong, I think was $400 million.
Speaker 1:No, that's Godzilla versus Kong.
Speaker 2:Oh was it. Yeah, it's like 150.
Speaker 1:That's a lot cheaper than I thought it was, and it made 400 million, 470 million in box office which was just barely enough to get a sequel, so I'm okay with that. I want to see cool.
Speaker 3:They already have the teaser trailer and everything.
Speaker 1:We have the TV show and TV show it's coming out.
Speaker 2:Think of the producers, of what they had to do in that CGI.
Speaker 3:I think there's so much like provide the money yeah, exactly, and make the most money, and that's where they're creative direction.
Speaker 1:Listen, it doesn't look right. The scrap.
Speaker 3:They do this one. I have a vision of that vision.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that just seems almost obscene, doesn't it, yeah? And then you look at the original Shrek test footage from 1995.
Speaker 3:This is going around the Internet lately. I do see that they released the original Shrek test footage from 1995. Oh boy, does it look atrocious. Thank God Shrek did not look like this. So if you're bored and you want to look up something, look up Shrek test footage.
Speaker 2:it's hilarious. What's crazy about like film too, is that costs 200 million to make right At the low end, and that's all said and done. Like, we experienced that, we're entertained for like and it was that movie an hour and a half two hours.
Speaker 1:Thing like two hours.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so two hours you sit down and you experience for two hours and then that's it. And like that was 200 million dollars, like you could build a skyscraper, you know, I don't know how. The first time Like you know, like would you rather have that? Or Kong, you know Godzilla movie, it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 3:Do you remember how wild we used to be in the early podcast days? Like what part? Remember we had a whole fuck Mary kill with Godzilla Kong and we were talking about how hard it would be to get through Kong's hair and like to get to his was like air, and I'm like I was just thinking about that. I'm like Dan, we were just really no holds barred back in the day. We could say that now, because this is getting to be an old podcast, which is crazy. We're matured. Yeah, we're definitely more responsible now than we were three years ago.
Speaker 1:Oh boy, we remember the whole Captain America. I can do this all day. I can do this all day against Godzilla.
Speaker 3:Because we used to pit people together. We're like Captain America could take Godzilla. I can do this all day standing against Godzilla's toe.
Speaker 3:He's like this big and then he does the kick Not today. Then he does the look Not today. I think someone's animated that I look up like I would like just Google Godzilla versus Captain America. And there was like fan art for I believe it when he's like wielding Mjolnir and he's like God it gets the flames. I'm like, ok, the Captain America is not that cool, like Captain Marvel could take Godzilla but not Captain America.
Speaker 1:Jinglebees in chat said I don't like it when they give too much away with over marketing. Disney is doing that right now and it sucks.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, I'm a big proponent of like. The less I know about a movie, usually the happier I am when I go and see it with the twists and like, like.
Speaker 3:And then, in the case of Chris Nolan, you still don't know anything about it after it's done. You're like what? What just?
Speaker 2:happened. Do we need, like? I know that there's like a template for trailers, especially like for YouTube audiences, where they're like two and a half, three minutes, but why is that always the model Do we need? Like First off, that two and a half minute video has probably 15 to 20 seconds filled with just garbage right, coming soon. Here's the title and then, like from the director that brought you, you know like what the fuck you know, and I get it, they have a whole machine around it. But like do we need two and a half minutes? Can we just cut that down to 30, 45 seconds?
Speaker 2:I need to say that I like long trailer spoiler, but where it's not, where it's not giving away too much of vendors end game is perfect example of doing that correctly.
Speaker 3:All of the marketing they had for that they had long ass trailers but all the marketing they had for that entire movie was all in the first 15 minutes of the film. Yeah, nobody knew anything unless you looked up like the leaks. But nobody knew anything about that movie when they went to go see it. But they still had some kick ass trailers and a lot of it was just like montages from stuff we've already seen. But it was like enticing enough to where you're like what the fuck are they?
Speaker 2:going to do. You know, what also did that well was the hobbit battle of five armies. They made it all about smog and you thought, oh you're going to smell the river the first he's dead in the first 15 minutes. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Spoiler on a book written in 1937. Speaking of which, I think today is the sixth anniversary of the first trailer that was released for Infinity War Six years ago today.
Speaker 1:That's a wild fact to know.
Speaker 3:I Don't know why. I know that Infinity war.
Speaker 2:Yeah, avengers Infinity War. That was a the trailer dropped in 2017. For that. Yeah, Avengers infinity war trailer drop for the official time. Is now it starts.
Speaker 3:Release November 29th 2017.
Speaker 2:How did?
Speaker 1:you know that.
Speaker 3:I just that's one of those dates that just stuck on my head.
Speaker 1:I don't know why that's the day the trailer came out.
Speaker 2:Abbot to Jinglebee says avatar, last airbender, percy Jackson and trailers are pretty good. Yeah, I think there's. I Feel like it's a direction that the studio has to intentionally take. It's like Do we obscure, like it's a film good enough to where we can be creative and obscure it, or do we just not give a shit? We want to show the hot guy doing hot guy stuff. We want to show the hot girl.
Speaker 1:We want to show the best scenes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I mean. Like, I'm not against a long trailer, I am against a trailer that is poorly constructed and reveals everything Like that is all the good moments are in the trailer, like I think there's a way to best.
Speaker 2:Jokes are in the trailer.
Speaker 3:I think there's a way to do it that's long, interesting but also doesn't ruin the movie. Yeah, over marketed. I think that every trailer and what I mean by it being a little bit more minimal in the approaches, I think every box office movie should just have one kick-ass trailer and that's it.
Speaker 2:Is it that's five trailers? Oh yeah, they have like the teaser.
Speaker 3:Second teaser official trailer official trailer to I'm speaking of avatar, last airbender. I was a little hesitant at first because of Netflix, but that trailer Doesn't make it look pretty good, right? I'm not gonna lie, I almost want to go back and watch the whole animated show again. Just a refresh, refresh, it's been a long time.
Speaker 2:I don't have Netflix anymore. Yeah, well, well, fuck you my rip it off for my parents and they crack down on there.
Speaker 3:No, dad, please no, it's.
Speaker 2:Netflix that cracked down on their password policy.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Now we're here.
Speaker 3:We're we're lending our Netflix to other people. I wonder if they changed the amount that they're charging us. They probably do so.
Speaker 2:You have to choose like where your home is you have to choose your house, your main house, and if you don't, then, like when you log in from a different IP, it's like no, we know, it's not you Well you.
Speaker 1:when you log in, it'll ask you like is this a new TV for you or is this, are you traveling? You can put traveling, but I think if you put traveling, if somebody else starts to watch it, it's like yeah, you lied to me.
Speaker 3:You ain't traveling.
Speaker 1:It's also.
Speaker 2:There's rules to the traveling thing. You can't just like default to that.
Speaker 3:They get like activated you've been traveling for 12 months Like traveling a mile away from where parents.
Speaker 1:Jingle bees told you to watch.
Speaker 3:I know, I was just reading that I think I'm gonna do it. That's the first show I think I remember what. So it came out in the 2005 and I think that's the first time I ever like remember getting choked up and crying during a show and I was like 10 when that show came out, I thought Kyle, you're gonna say the exact same thing that I always tell people.
Speaker 1:it was so close that I was like what were you gonna? I was gonna say that's the first show that, like I can fully remember the whole thing, like I was gonna say that I Really was.
Speaker 3:That's also the first one I remember watching beginning and it's also the first one I remember like the blue arrow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the guy with the blue pretty basic summary.
Speaker 2:Naruto, what's his name?
Speaker 3:Just shut up, just stop talking.
Speaker 1:Naruto.
Speaker 3:Naruto Goku and Vegeta. Yeah, that those guys know where he fights the Death Note.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was like an attack on Titan or something.
Speaker 3:But I remember that's the first one I remember like, actually like, watching premieres of the show before, like I would be like, oh my god, it's coming up and oh dude, when Zuko. That's one of the best animated fight scenes I think I've ever seen is the Zuko versus Azula Agni Kai in the season three.
Speaker 2:It's like poetry. Who did this? This is Nickelodeon.
Speaker 3:Nickelodeon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I Never got into that. All right, I couldn't. And I don't know why I feel like it's kind of right up my alley because, it's a kid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know I even as a kid. Billy didn't like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, even as a kid, you didn't like kids. I like Bill Cosby show.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's a red flag.
Speaker 2:He watches little Bill.
Speaker 3:Do you remember?
Speaker 2:a little Bill, little Bill was good. Little Bill.
Speaker 1:Not really it was like a little Bill. It was like an animated show about Bill Cosby's childhood.
Speaker 2:Bill Cosby's oh no, I did not watch that Little Bill. No, I don't know. I really like we were so regimented in what we watched as kids. So we was the early days of like recording. So my mom would always record Oprah Winfrey and Ellen DeGeneres, so that was always on after school. We could not, like the TV was locked, you could not watch anything other than that. So that's what I was always exposed to. And then when those shows were over, it was dinner time and there was no TV on during the dinner dinner time. And then at night we watched Whatever the hell my mom wanted to watch. So there was like I never got like morning cartoons and I never had a TV with cable in my room, ever.
Speaker 2:So make sense I missed out on a lot of those like shows to really do.
Speaker 3:Jinglebeast said, the first thing is the first show she watched all the way through. I guess that's just all of us. I think we're all just that right age, yeah, you know. And then, honestly, I don't really cry when Zuko is asking I would forgive him, but I cry when I wrote just grabs them.
Speaker 1:And they hug each other because he he had Forgiven him all right, all time no no, zuko's the young guy, he's like 16 and like the bad guy for the first few seasons.
Speaker 3:He has, without a doubt, one of the greatest arcs of any character in any show. I've ever watched Jesus, and I'm not ashamed.
Speaker 2:How did they do? How did they do episodic releases? It was weekly weekly like, and it would, you would know, like oh, it's coming out at five, I'm out.
Speaker 3:The same time every like. I think it came out on Saturdays because that's like when kids were out of school. So they would always play like all the episodes leading up to the new one before it, so like if you got up early enough, you could like literally watch, like all the recaps, all the episodes leading up to the new episode. How did you watch it? Did you have cable?
Speaker 2:in your room so you can watch in the living room, yeah my dad actually watched it. My parents I was gonna say, your parents watch it with you too.
Speaker 1:Oh that was that way and that was there was no chance in hell.
Speaker 2:My dad would have been calling some some shit on well, so what's funny?
Speaker 1:That's one of the shows this isn't real. That's one of the few shows that I forced them to watch that they actually like, enjoyed with me, like they got into it.
Speaker 2:Seven-year-old doing you're watching this mom and dad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cuz I used to watch Dragon Ball as a kid too, and and that one my dad liked it a little bit when they would fight, but otherwise he's like they're just screaming all the time.
Speaker 3:Avatar was. It was different because it was obviously it was geared towards children, but it never, it never sacrificed its writing for that. Like all of like the creators of the show, they're like, yes, this is a quote-unquote a children's show, but just because it's a children's show doesn't mean we're gonna like Compromise the story we want to tell and like it's very nuanced. It was very gray area with good versus evil, like it like had a lot of philosophical like comparisons in real life with, like you know, like Fire Nation being the way they were, and like it's just, it's just so good and there's a lot of things that would go right over kids head that they wouldn't get. And it's almost like you need to go back and watch it again as an adult. Last time I watched it all the way through was like Five years ago maybe, and I remember on that watch there I was like dude, this show is so good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it never jingles put it, never insulted our intelligence. That's exactly that's. She said it much crisper than I did, but that's, yeah, that's what I was trying to answer.
Speaker 2:Phenomenal, I guess no. So let me seasons other Three, five. It's very quick, oh shit, I could just burn through it. Yeah, they're like 20 episodes each.
Speaker 3:They're all like Aren't there? No, there's only three not four. There's book one air book to earth, book three fire, that's it. They don't do water, nope, I guess. No, no, they do water, sorry air is not a book. It's, uh, it's water, earth fire. Okay yeah, because they don't have a book about air because, he's already master. He was like the youngest master, yeah, and uh, in his last people just raised here, yeah, it was like 12 years old there.
Speaker 1:He was like 12 years old when he became a master, which is like no that was unheard of, but he was also the avatar, so he's like he had a little bit of.
Speaker 1:So fit there. Kyle, I want to ask you. I recently I discussed this with, uh, jinglebees, actually, but I want to get your opinion as a fan of avatar. In my opinion, I love the show, but I feel like I don't like. I like the ending, but I don't like it as much as I probably could have, because I feel like the lion, the tiger lion or the turtle lion was a little convenient.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just how it comes up right then, right when he needs a solution and it's like here's the answer to all your problems, okay, bye. So to give you context, billy the whole show. Well, if he's about, to watch it.
Speaker 3:Should we even say anything? Is this? Is this something that it's? It's animated and it starts a kid.
Speaker 2:So is this? It is tough, no, I mean Jesus christ has been over 20 years. Hit me All right.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the whole show Ong Aang is a um, don't you?
Speaker 3:dare quote M Night shuttle on the road.
Speaker 1:He's a pacifist kind of he doesn't, he doesn't want to fight and like he, the air nomads in general is a very like Peaceful.
Speaker 3:Peaceful society.
Speaker 1:They're monks, is what they're and so he, he comes, he struggles with. You know that he's the avatar and and he has to take on the fire, lord.
Speaker 2:He says don't spoil it. Are you actually gonna watch it. Each episode's like 20 minutes, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah around there, especially considering there's no commercials on Netflix, so I'll shred through it.
Speaker 2:It's what is it on? It's on Netflix Fuck, I gotta buy Netflix now. I will watch it. I'll watch it, dang.
Speaker 1:I'll watch it. I'll watch it.
Speaker 2:I'll watch it. I'll watch it, but it's such a cultural phenomenon that I Let me. Can I tell you why I don't want to watch this shit? Like I'm having a flashback because Kyle's he's sitting here like laughing. Um, I watched Pokemon once and my dad was in the same room and he found out the main character's name is like ash and he said that was a gay name.
Speaker 2:So that was the end of that was a gay guy's name and he didn't want me exposed to that kind of shit. That kind of shit, yeah, okay, so we didn't watch that kind of shit, that's. I think that's that's my childhood Home of. That's that generation dude, a hundred percent. So I didn't watch that shit at all.
Speaker 3:My dad. My dad grew up a nerd and like Made me a nerd, so like he was much more tolerant to that kind of stuff, like he never really was an anime guy like my dad is not, you know, into that, but but he did. He did like avatar.
Speaker 1:So, without spoiling it, kyle, do you agree?
Speaker 3:I I.
Speaker 1:I do, to an extent, like I'll offer you the same thing that I told you in the bees. I would have much rather seen eng Figure it out himself Like he creates a new like he creates that thing Rather than what happened.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I, I do to an extent, but I don't think it was enough of a like convenient plot device to really ruin anything for me. Aang, his whole arc is about him learning and like becoming, you know, like learning from nature or learning from whomever, and being taught like they explain.
Speaker 3:Like you know, air nomads learn from the sky, bison's and fired people learn from the dragons and then so this, this thing, this is just like the, the thing that you learned, because they all learn bending from something. And also, if you watch Korra, they go into a lot more detail about these, these line turtles. That also makes it kind of cool.
Speaker 3:Like there's a whole. I don't know if you've seen Korra, which had its ups and downs. Korra was not on the same level for me, but there was a whole arc about the first avatar and how he learned from line turtles and like it was really cool actually, and it was voiced by the guy. It was voiced by the guy that plays Glen and voices Mark in Invincible Grayson. Oh, what's, what's his name? Steven Yun. He's the first avatar. He plays the very first avatar and it's a two-episode arc. It's very interesting to watch. So if you don't watch anything, at least watch that. It's cool.
Speaker 2:This is gonna be the dumbest question in the history of questions, but is this at all like the Avatar movies? Are they based just in? The same universe? Totally not at all.
Speaker 3:No, actually there was kind of crazy.
Speaker 2:They stole that name.
Speaker 3:Avatar. The movie technically didn't, because James Cameron I guess Mark like got the rights to that name in like 1999 because that's how long it took him to make Avatar. And then Avatar, the last Airbender, actually came out before Avatar the movie came out, and then it caused kind of a bit of a thing and so for a long time it had to be marketed as just the last Airbender, which is like kind of silly. But there was actually a lot of back and forth on what Avatar belonged to and James Cameron being, you know, worth billions obviously one and James Cameron.
Speaker 1:Especially, that's in like the height of his career. He did Terminator Titanic, he's like. I can do whatever, I want Nickelodeon. I agree with Jinglebeast.
Speaker 3:It's a shame, because Korra had some of the coolest villains. My main problem with Korra was that each season was very self-contained and it was like over, and the reason being is because they were never told if they were gonna continue. Yeah, they were like you only get one season okay, and then like actually do another one, okay, but that's all yet like okay. So they wrapped up again like actually do another one. And so each season was like a new story.
Speaker 3:Every final episode was like a big dramatic final episode, but it was always like it was ending you know and then like. So each season is self-contained and it has nothing to do with the other ones, I feel like. But the villains in Korra were phenomenal. Like only one of them. I was kind of like meh, but like the villain from the first season, the third season, the fourth season, especially mainly the first and third season, those villains are like even better than like Avatar. They're so good so I want to go back and it got darker. One of the villains in the third season literally kills a woman by sucking out all the air from her and she just chokes to death and dies.
Speaker 1:Wow, I want to go back to something Jinglebeast asked because I'm curious what's your favorite episode of the original series? Kyle, mine and I haven't, so I haven't done a rewatch, but my, the one that's in my head is the train, yeah, where they're trying to go into the drill, the drill where they need.
Speaker 3:They have to slice each beam partially to. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that episode.
Speaker 3:I like tales of Boston say, because it's kind of like a breather episode. I like that one a lot. I like Zuko alone. That one's like an old Western almost. It's like a. That one's really good, zuko alone.
Speaker 2:Zaheer is awesome. She says Zaheer is the guy I'm talking about that sucks out the air from yeah.
Speaker 3:And then I really like the boiling rock part one and two from season three. That's the prison break one. That one's good, really good.
Speaker 1:Jinglebeast said, my favorite is when he's opening his chakra and dealing with his trauma.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's like season two, like one of the last episodes. What's crazy about that? One, too, is Aang literally like goes to this whole arc of like becoming like he's separating himself from his worldly possessions, is like he says goodbye to Katara and like you know, he's like. He's like I'm ready to become the avatar, and then he gets fucking blasted and I'm like damn, like they weren't afraid to do that, which is pretty, which is pretty good.
Speaker 1:No spoilers.
Speaker 3:No spoilers.
Speaker 2:Don't worry, I won't remember it.
Speaker 1:But yeah, now that we've gone on our avatar, I'm starting to know it looks like it's on.
Speaker 2:Paramount Plus. So, as well as Netflix, do you have Paramount Plus? Yes, well then, there you go, there we go.
Speaker 3:Paramount owns Nick.
Speaker 2:Oh, so that's, I guess, yeah that would make more sense than Netflix. Huh, I don't know how interesting, how it could be licensed to both platforms at the same time.
Speaker 3:So the Netflix show is actually not owned by well. The live action one is coming out. It's not owned by Nickelodeon. Oh, do you think they're?
Speaker 2:just they're having the rights. Well, they probably negotiated the rights to the show for a little bit. So then prop up like, hey, we're gonna well.
Speaker 1:And probably even before that, like we're gonna do in a live show Shoot. What show was it like, where they probably had avatar on there before Paramount Plus existed and so they have an existing like?
Speaker 2:what cycle?
Speaker 1:Contract and there was another show that was like that A lot of Disney shows, a lot of different ones.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like Daredevil, netflix for a while.
Speaker 1:Like now that's, you know the new show's gonna be on Disney Plus, but it was on Netflix.
Speaker 2:They still have like Marvel films on Netflix every once in a while and it's like why is that on there? That's weird. That's like a newer like Thor Ragnarok pops up every once in a while.
Speaker 1:So it must be like an existing contract or something like that, or if you're using a VPN and say you're from a different country. Or Disney Plus might not be available.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm in the Vatican actually this is the only way to 300.
Speaker 1:So what was your favorite cartoon as a child, jimmy?
Speaker 2:Neutron. God, I love Jimmy Neutron Really. Yeah, I love Doug.
Speaker 1:Brain Blast.
Speaker 3:I love Jimmy Neutron Kid to the stars, bye candy bars.
Speaker 2:The movies of Jimmy Neutron were really good. I probably watched the most of SpongeBob.
Speaker 3:Who hasn't I mean come?
Speaker 2:on. That was so that was. That was the only like I could catch the ass end of that before fucking. Oprah Winfrey came on, so I could, like that was what I would watch. I mean, what? What freaking 12 year olds watching Oprah Winfrey? I just can't get over that. That's all I had.
Speaker 1:When.
Speaker 3:Oprah.
Speaker 2:Winfrey, followed by Ellen DeGeneres.
Speaker 1:I used to go over to my baby sitter's house when I was young and went in elementary school in the morning and she would be watching Full House or Fresh Prince of Blair. And like that was it, that's it. And I didn't, I don't, I, to this day, I don't like Full House.
Speaker 2:I'm not a big Full House guy, but Fresh Prince.
Speaker 1:Fresh Prince was good, but Full House is like this.
Speaker 3:I don't have a problem with Full House. It's a little too G for me. Like I don't mean gangsta, I mean like PG, like it's not like I feel like it's a little too family oriented. I need a little bit of muck in my comedy, if that makes a little bit depression. What I watched.
Speaker 2:Billy Odd Barrett.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the new episodes of SpongeBob suck. I know we saw.
Speaker 2:I saw one recently because my wife and I would have watched it and it's just like oh, I don't know about that one.
Speaker 3:I don't know what they it's. Ever since the creator died, their vision has just died as well. It's, it's bad.
Speaker 1:I don't know, dragging the corp Nicolodians.
Speaker 3:Come on, spongebob, I'm tired, I can't do it anymore. I've been doing it Shut up for 24 years. Can you believe, spongebob came out 24 years ago.
Speaker 2:I watched a lot of Boy Meets World.
Speaker 3:Boy Meets World.
Speaker 2:That was like that was one of those shows that you kind of like grew up with like big actors.
Speaker 3:Dude me and your brother randomly watched that show a lot when we were in our late teens because he's playing on MTV a lot. I mean he would just be watching Boy Meets World all the time. I don't know why that, and Saved by the Bell we were watching, saved by the Bell Yep, I remember that face.
Speaker 2:Actually, you ever watch Swat Cats? What?
Speaker 1:Swat Cats what the hell's that? How did you watch Swat Cats? Swat Cats, yeah what. I've never heard of this. What Swat Cats was amazing, it was on Boomerang. I don't know what that is. It was these cool, rad cats.
Speaker 3:You know the Boomerang they have, like all the, it's like kind of like Cartoon Network absorbed, absorbed them, I think. But like Johnny Bravo, oh, those are all like Boomerang.
Speaker 1:It was like older cartoons where you could watch older, like Flintstones, tom and Jerry, but Swat Cats was like an 80 show I think, and it was these cats that were cool and, you know, rad and they had like jets and they were basically the Ninja Turtles but cats, and then the Swat team, justice League.
Speaker 3:Unlimited was good. Oh yes, it has one of the coolest intro songs ever too, and they're just walking in slow motion in the like the silhouettes. Batman Beyond Voltron is good Dexter's.
Speaker 1:Lab. Oh, I had Dexter's Lab.
Speaker 3:Dude, my dad loved Dexter's Lab. I remember I had a Dexter's Lab video game like Game Boy game and my dad beat it and he like he played it so much that like I was like I want to play it, but I was like, no, after I beat it you could play it. He literally like he played the shit out of that, did you buy your Steam Deck?
Speaker 1:No, I've got to wait till after Christmas.
Speaker 2:Why See if you get it?
Speaker 1:Well, no, because I asked for like money for it.
Speaker 2:As far as my Christmas present, you know to get this guy.
Speaker 1:Please the eight hundred dollar one.
Speaker 2:They get the total terabyte Steam Deck.
Speaker 3:If you guys could just donate money to Steam.
Speaker 2:Just donate it to the stream so that he can bring it to the house. Forget it.
Speaker 3:Tori and I can back to Boy Meets World. Tori and I actually just watched through like not all of it, the new one or the original. The original we watched through Boy Meets World starting from like when they were like seniors in high school, just because it's kind of hard to relate to like the younger, but like one Spider-Man, young yeah but once it, once they become like like seniors in high school, like the comedy evolved with them, it became a little bit more adult and you know.
Speaker 3:but we watched through like those last seasons together and she hadn't, she had never watched Boy Meets World but I forgot how funny that show is.
Speaker 2:It's funny and what's interesting is like they're real situations. There's like real consequences. It's not that like I watch I'll watch these like kids shows, because we'll have kids over sometimes and they'll just be on and it's just like this is not good writing Like this. It's like, oh, there's a problem, how are we going to solve it? Oh, and it's like it's just so not human, see, but I feel like in Boy Meets World.
Speaker 2:There it feels really human. It's like, oh, I could see that happening, see. But that's like, that's like like the reactions are real. It's not hyperbole.
Speaker 1:You're choosing specific shows that are great towards the extra young Well and also Boy Meets World was like an exception. Right, there's so many shows that existed back then that weren't like that. So like because I never watched it. But like Jingle Bees is a big fan of Adventure Time and she showed me some episodes. Adventure Time is great and like that's a newer kid, so that that's true, that fully respects the audience. Is that newer?
Speaker 3:It's like 15 years old, though I was going to say I don't know how new, that is, but it is, it's 15 years old.
Speaker 2:It's been around forever. Same with the same with the other one. What's the other one that's? That's always cited, like Adventure Time and then regular show. Yes, that's been around for a while too.
Speaker 3:Let's look at Adventure Time.
Speaker 2:I can't really get into regular show. Yeah, I guess we're already Adventure Time.
Speaker 3:We are old. It came out in 2007. No, so that's older than 15 years old. Geez, I knew it was because I remember being kind of young when I first started.
Speaker 2:Wow, I love regular show. Yeah, so does Rana. It's just I can't. I can't be sold on it.
Speaker 1:Did you watch Adventure?
Speaker 2:Time it's good. Yeah, I can't be bought.
Speaker 3:I around that time. I wasn't a huge Cartoon Network guy. I didn't find.
Speaker 1:Cartoon.
Speaker 3:Network. I did like Foster Song for imaginary kids or imaginary friends. That one was code name Kid Next Door.
Speaker 2:I liked that one too, you guys remember when, like the office was popping off and like everybody would just have the office on repeat in every home.
Speaker 1:You ever fucking do yeah, like still do.
Speaker 2:It is a great show and there are some awesome highlights over it.
Speaker 2:Fuck me, can we not? Yeah, how many times you just need to have some shit on in the back. I was reading about like work from home strategies and one of the strategies was to put on repeat like a show you've already seen. So that I'm like you go fucking insane. How about there's got to be better? They're like so you could distract your brain, because people, I guess, were like saying they spent too much time on their phone working from home. So the idea is you play the show on your phone and then you work, but you don't need to watch it because you already know what's about to happen.
Speaker 1:That's, I get it, but it's also.
Speaker 2:ADHD thing I've ever heard in my life. That's like Jesus Christ you need to have six things playing.
Speaker 3:You know it's just sorry, I'm super ADD, but I was just thinking of Boy Meets World. One of the funniest episodes ever for me is this like Halloween theme where they're like seniors in high school and one of the characters, like the bad guy, throws a pencil, it goes through this kid's head and, like the pencil stabs the wall behind him and he slowly falls and it like leaves a mark on the wall. And then Eric, the older brother, goes up and he's like well, I always remember he was this tall, but like the way he did it, like it was so funny. I always am like every time I see that episode, I just died, it's so funny. And then they're like what is crazy comment to make after that and they're like well, if you're a virgin, you're safe. If you're not a virgin, they always kill. Like the people that have had like that are no longer virgins. And then the two older brothers are like I'm dead, I'm dead. And then Sean was like I'll be about as sick as you can get without actually dying.
Speaker 1:King of the.
Speaker 3:Hill. Oh, dude, king of the Hill is classic.
Speaker 2:That one actually is good.
Speaker 3:Never was a big family guy Never. I watched a lot of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I watched a lot of it, but I what's crazy is that I think that show only has like nine seasons. No, it's got more than that family guy. At least that's what I saw on the streaming platform. I think there was only like nine seasons and that's why that was my initial reaction. Like this is with such a cultural phenomenon, I think it's survived cancellation multiple times.
Speaker 3:I know that in fact it was canceled, I think at one point for a couple years.
Speaker 1:And I think Seth wants it to be dead, but they won't let him, or something like that.
Speaker 2:Apparently, family guy is still 22 seasons, only nine seasons. So the nine? Well, so they only have nine available to stream. Apparently they're still making it. That's what Jinglebee says.
Speaker 3:That's kind of shocking, but you know what's funny is Seth McFarland is actually like a huge sci-fi fan. Like, if you ever watch his show the Orville, it's really good. It's like it's got funny moments, but it's actually like very like it's good sci-fi Like. It's like kind of campy little like old fashioned Star Trekky. But I'd recommend, if you're a fan of Star Trek, watching the Orville he plays. Seth McFarland literally plays like the captain and it's kind of like a Star Trek like I don't want to say like parody, because it's not really a parody Like it takes itself seriously, but it's on Hulu, I think.
Speaker 2:Well, wasn't it only launched as like an exclusive to their streaming platform?
Speaker 3:It was originally on TBS, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it was like TBS Plus you had something weird Maybe.
Speaker 3:I mean, I've only ever watched it on streaming, so I don't know if it was ever on a network or cable.
Speaker 2:But how many times has the Simpsons been in their final season? They're still fucking making it. It hasn't been good since the 90s, so that's just crazy to me, like my god, I read that headline. That it's you know it's on its last leg, like three years ago, and now it's still going.
Speaker 1:It's wild. Thirty fifth season.
Speaker 3:That's older than everyone in this room. It's crazy, geez.
Speaker 1:And they had a movie.
Speaker 3:Did multiple movies I saw that movie in the theaters with something cool gaming the Simpsons.
Speaker 1:I like the movie.
Speaker 3:The movie is great with the scene with Bart right in the skateboard and then it just like all the perfectly placed things, and then it's just a shot of this thing I love. One of my favorite parts of that movie is when, like, they're all jumping into that sinkhole to get outside the dome and then Homer jumps in and he's like flipping them off.
Speaker 2:And then he just stops and he's like his head still showing Fucking pickaxe, or like the whole.
Speaker 3:Apple arrow. Yes, oh shit.
Speaker 2:The game was actually really fun too. The Simpsons game Side school. No, it didn't run. That was actually a GTA clone.
Speaker 3:That's what it was. It was so good Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I followed the GTA San Andreas model like almost to a T, but it was a Simpson story.
Speaker 1:It was so good. I remember getting all the secret cars.
Speaker 2:Yeah, me too. I was just going to mention that, yeah. And then you get like the elite one that's unlocked at the end and you could like go super fast.
Speaker 3:It's like the jet, yes.
Speaker 2:That was awesome. Man Well, nostalgia. This is kind of a random ass episode.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, starting with the name, do you want to build a snowman?
Speaker 1:We didn't even talk about.
Speaker 2:Was that ever? It's Christmas time oh it's not.
Speaker 3:December yet.
Speaker 2:Do you want to build a snowman?
Speaker 3:Not really, really Not right now.
Speaker 1:What if?
Speaker 3:we had a.
Speaker 1:I love building. Is that the first thing you do, Billy?
Speaker 2:Snowman.
Speaker 3:You're like snow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just create my jeans.
Speaker 3:We used to, we used to make some dope ass forts with your dad, dude, we had your dad be out there with us and we built some crazy ass shit. We had, we had this one.
Speaker 2:We were in like sixth grade or so fifth or sixth grade, and it was like we had four feet of snow Just dump on it. It was the worst, it was craziest. To this day I've never seen a snow storm worse than that year. Remember the fucking pile of snow that they had in the front yard we were snowboarding down.
Speaker 3:We had like a mountain in our, in our coldest act because they, just, this plow, came through and just scraped everything and put it all on one corner. It was as high as a two story home, it was monstrous, it was huge. We're sledding on it.
Speaker 2:It's like tackle football on the front streets, like on the asphalt. Anyway, we would build these igloos and we would just smash and pack the all the snow up and then we would just start carving them out and we have like little forts and shit. It was crazy.
Speaker 3:We had crazy snowball wars too.
Speaker 2:We would spend two hours setting it up and have a snowball fight for about five minutes and we were.
Speaker 3:I think we were really blessed to grow up in a neighborhood with a bunch of kids our age, it's 100%. You know, there was like like 10 of us at any given point.
Speaker 2:A lot All within like two, three years. Yeah, yeah, and we we would do. We would split our driveway one side, you know, and then we'd build like a wall. We would do this shit when there was like an inch of snow and we'd have like the dumbest fucking little curb.
Speaker 3:We came ice Like maybe slush ball Rock yeah.
Speaker 2:Remember we had that patch of ice where my mom drove her car.
Speaker 3:We're all running.
Speaker 2:We would hit the line and we'd all like slide. So inevitably someone would fall cry going inside it always it's probably the math Turn into a drag Dude. But no, I, I adore the snow. I look forward to winter every year. I feel like I do. I miss building like I miss. I felt like as a kid when it snowed and stuff like you would gear up and I was in the elements. More like as an adult, you don't really like gear up to go play in the snow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're looking through the winter. You're like you know what I mean Like I'm warm.
Speaker 3:That Michael Scott meme where he's staring like a gym or whatever. At a Ryan All like evil looking.
Speaker 2:But you know, like I don't, you don't play in the snow anymore, Like now, it's just I move the snow like with my shovel. Yeah, and. But like when I first got my dog, I did kind of play around them and it's so much fun to just, you know, tackle your wife in the snow.
Speaker 1:I was going to. I was going to say the same thing and you can be here, says you need to come up to the forest.
Speaker 3:I love the snow, I do. But holy living up there is a choice, so I don't want to fucking hear it. All right.
Speaker 2:I think that's why I appreciate snow so much, because here in the city it's, we get like the best of the world. We get the weather, so you'll have your snow for like a week or two, but then, because the sun is so intense here and we have so many clear days, it like it'll snow and then the neck like within two or three days. The roads are totally perfect.
Speaker 3:Dude, I don't know what it is. We have perfect conditions. It's literally just a couple hundred feet, but living in cold springs is so different than living even where you live, like it's a different biome. It's so wild. It's so snowy up there and I can't tell you how many mornings that we've woken up to just four feet of snow You're just like oh, my God. And then as soon as I get over the hill to Red Rock sunny, bright summer I'm like what?
Speaker 2:Well, you said like that one photo of like we're snowed in and it was like just starting to get it over here. You know it's like 10 minute drive.
Speaker 3:It's like literally that couple hundred feet, like makes all the difference.
Speaker 2:It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 3:They call it cold springs, cold. Emphasis on the cold.
Speaker 1:Is there hot springs up there?
Speaker 2:Nope, it's just cold.
Speaker 1:What's? Where's the springs come from?
Speaker 3:I don't know when does the? Are the springs and Spanish Springs? Do they speak Spanish Like, yeah, it's?
Speaker 2:a good point. Cold Springs what the fuck kind of name is that? Where's the springs from?
Speaker 3:There's no intermittent lake that's out there, the salt bed. Yeah, the spring, I know, I think that's what.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to imagine, like that's a terrible name for a spring Intermittent lake. That's what it should be named Intermittent lake.
Speaker 1:Intermittent lake town Intermittent lake town.
Speaker 2:Solved bed property.
Speaker 3:There's so like sometimes, cold springs it reminds me of in GTA five, like that, like the, that like where Trevor is living. That's what it feels like sometimes.
Speaker 1:I knew what you're talking about.
Speaker 3:He said I was like oh that's what it feels like sometimes out there. I love it out there because it's like a way in like I like kind of being yeah, you still have a community here, but I can still get into town pretty easily you know, but sometimes, like the worst is propane, I cannot wait to get off of propane, yeah.
Speaker 2:I hate Well anyway, my city boy is don't have to buy no propane. I'm just about to gas.
Speaker 1:Charcoal is the best. You're not even city boy, though. You're like outskirts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're still on the outskirts. I'm fringe, fringe city boy fringe boy.
Speaker 3:Even County actually technically I'm kind of people would still argue that you're well outside the city, oh absolutely Like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. I'm technically County, County, no, but you are too right yeah.
Speaker 3:So I don't have. My water company is not even same as yours. Who do you go? Who do you go through? I go through Great Basin Water Company.
Speaker 2:Great Basin? Yeah, definitely not yeah. Do you do Tom? No, it's the Sun Valley General Improvement, district Water Utility or something. Wow, it's dedicated to this small little 20,000 community. No idea why.
Speaker 3:Why, we have our own water Growing up where we grew up, that's that's. They went through that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but no idea why. If you go about 300 feet that way, it's Tim Wau Great Basin Water is typically like all rural California and culture and culture yeah, interesting Water utilities.
Speaker 1:This is so interesting Talk about.
Speaker 3:I'm sure this is not going to kill off the few viewers that we have.
Speaker 2:They're troopers, man, all right. Well, it's been fun, it's been real. Holiday season is upon us, the lights are hung up. The tree is up, we have gifts under the tree.
Speaker 1:Are you playing frozen on repeat?
Speaker 2:No, I've only ever seen frozen like once. So it was so good that he named this episode after it. Well, my wife sings that song about 18 times a day, do?
Speaker 3:you want to build a snowman. I don't even actually know the beat.
Speaker 2:Do you want to build a snowman? Okay, I was close.
Speaker 1:We're going to get flagged video taken down. Copyright.
Speaker 3:That's how good it was.
Speaker 2:Holy shit Is that? Elsa? Bring him down, take him down, all right, well, and remember the good.
Speaker 1:Katie, we're not going to tell him where to find this.
Speaker 2:No, you know what? In our image we have all of our shit on there.
Speaker 1:Oh, we'll find this at the stuff below, guys.
Speaker 2:Right here.
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Speaker 2:Whoa, we're getting reactions. We better hang up now for a real deal. Bye.
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