Ready to unravel the mysteries of Marvel's universe alongside us? Strap in for a whirlwind tour through all things pop culture, as we navigate the new Barbie movie, the Loki season two trailer, and everything in between. We promise to take you on an adventure, and offer up a spoiler-free review of Barbie, featuring Ryan Gosling's riveting performance as Ken. Plus, we dig into the intriguing Loki season two trailer, the implications of the writer's strike, and the rising influence of AI in the entertainment industry.
Ever wondered how Disney-Marvel's content output stacks up against other massive franchises like Assassin's Creed? Or what might happen to the Marvel universe with Disney CEO Bob Iger's new approach? We promise to satiate your curiosity, as we dissect the mixed quality of recent Marvel films and hypothesize about the future of Marvel. We'll also discuss the untapped potential of X-Men and Fantastic Four, and how introducing new characters could revolutionize Marvel's universe.
Finally, we don our speculation hats to explore the upcoming Marvel movie 'Kang's Dynasty', the 'Secret Wars' story arcs, and the intriguing origin story of the Venom suit. We review the Secret Invasion TV show, discuss the paradoxical episodes, and debate the implications for Marvel's universe. We round off with an engaging discussion about Spider-Man possibly becoming omnipotent. Buckle up for a rollercoaster ride through Marvel's universe and much more! Remember, with a good KD you get the dub!
If you enjoy our episode's content, come check us out on twitter @KDratiopodcast, YouTube as The KD Ratio Podcast! or on Instagram KDratiopodcast
Ready to unravel the mysteries of Marvel's universe alongside us? Strap in for a whirlwind tour through all things pop culture, as we navigate the new Barbie movie, the Loki season two trailer, and everything in between. We promise to take you on an adventure, and offer up a spoiler-free review of Barbie, featuring Ryan Gosling's riveting performance as Ken. Plus, we dig into the intriguing Loki season two trailer, the implications of the writer's strike, and the rising influence of AI in the entertainment industry.
Ever wondered how Disney-Marvel's content output stacks up against other massive franchises like Assassin's Creed? Or what might happen to the Marvel universe with Disney CEO Bob Iger's new approach? We promise to satiate your curiosity, as we dissect the mixed quality of recent Marvel films and hypothesize about the future of Marvel. We'll also discuss the untapped potential of X-Men and Fantastic Four, and how introducing new characters could revolutionize Marvel's universe.
Finally, we don our speculation hats to explore the upcoming Marvel movie 'Kang's Dynasty', the 'Secret Wars' story arcs, and the intriguing origin story of the Venom suit. We review the Secret Invasion TV show, discuss the paradoxical episodes, and debate the implications for Marvel's universe. We round off with an engaging discussion about Spider-Man possibly becoming omnipotent. Buckle up for a rollercoaster ride through Marvel's universe and much more! Remember, with a good KD you get the dub!
If you enjoy our episode's content, come check us out on twitter @KDratiopodcast, YouTube as The KD Ratio Podcast! or on Instagram KDratiopodcast
in three two. One. ["dialogue of the KD Ratio"]. Hello and welcome to the KD Ratio. It's your designated podcast for all things nerd. My name is Kyle, and with me tonight I have Dylan and William, and we got a lot to talk about. Yeah, yes, we do. Yep, all right. So, dylan, kick us off. You're the only one of us that saw Barbie. Okay, give it to us straight.
Speaker 2:I'll give a quick spoiler-free review, since these guys haven't seen it. I mean there's not really too much to spoil in it, but overall thought it was a good movie, Thought it was really funny. To me the standout was Ken, played by Ryan Gosling. I mean, they're all.
Speaker 1:Ken you would like just the man.
Speaker 2:I would, of course I would be all right, but it was a really funny movie and definitely a lot different than Oppenheimer. So if you did the Barbenheimer, that was quite the drastic shift in genres. But I really enjoyed it and I would say, if you're interested in it all, or if it seems like something just from the trailers, like it's a stupid comedy, then you'll probably like it. Like it's just filled with jokes that are just there to make fun of, like how stupid it is, and so I'd recommend it.
Speaker 1:All right, I think that's about all we need on this podcast, that's. I'm good with that, you're good with that. I'm very good with that. All right, let's get back into some familiar territory. Loki season two trailer just dropped. What are our thoughts?
Speaker 3:I can't wait for this series. I think Loki one was my favorite TV series that Disney has done to this point. I just love the genre of the whole idea of like time travel and I think it just works for Loki's storyline. I don't know if it translates well to some of the movies, cause it can get a little nebulous and scope and I don't know how well that actually adapts for some heroes, but for Loki and how kind of his character is, it's such a fun series, like Owen Wilson and Tom Hiddleston going back and forth Jonathan Majors if he looks like he's gonna make an appearance in this I'm just really excited for kind of I think there's gonna be some very meaningful stuff coming from this and I mean to me it's like the biggest storyline going on in Marvel right now which is I mean you're talking about.
Speaker 3:Well, to this point in season one, there was one group, or actually really one guy, controlling the entire timeline of the entire universe.
Speaker 1:That's pretty big.
Speaker 3:So now that we don't have that anymore, it's gonna be interesting to see the outcome of that. I'm curious to see how much they dedicate to the rest of the MCU of like these other narratives and storylines that are occurring. Maybe they can give us some visions into like some of the branches that are happening in some of those creative storylines and it's just like kind of the way that they've presented this whole timeline and it branching off and creating, you know, infinite new sort of timelines is kind of a really fun concept. In the Loki world. Given this, like Dr Strange, I feel like could have done a lot better, but Loki, the way that they presented the TVA was really, really interesting. So I'm excited to really see that it's coming out. What? October 6th or something. They said October yeah, I don't know the exact day anymore.
Speaker 1:Second six. We just watched the trailer, yeah but yeah, it's coming out soon.
Speaker 3:I wish it was sooner than later. I heard after season one dropped it was supposed to come out in February. So I don't know if things got delayed or maybe that was just total bullshit.
Speaker 1:I'm just glad they're and I'm not saying that the Rider strike isn't like possibly a positive thing for people in that culture but I am glad that they finished filming this before that happened. Yes, because then this would have been delayed like another year, possibly even more.
Speaker 2:I mean Spider-Man part two, delayed indefinitely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they just announced that across the Spider-Verse. Is that what they're gonna call it? Yeah, Like part two, but they don't know when it's gonna come out now, which is a bit of a bummer. I know, but I guess that's the only way change happens is if you shake something up.
Speaker 3:So what is the whole story of the Rider strike? I have not really been following it at all.
Speaker 2:So me and Kyle, we got it down pretty much. I'll fill in anything I miss Kyle, but what it is is right now they're fighting against, kind of the inclusion of AI in the grand scope, but more specifically, for background or extras they're trying to work in, and by them I mean, like Hollywood, like the big corporations are trying to work into contracts now that when you sign up to be an extra on a film, you're signing over your likeness forever with no like-, no royalties, no royalties. So they would be able to use you as an extra like they can probably just CGI it in with AI or whatever and you don't get to see any of that money. They would just use you forever as long as they want.
Speaker 3:So it's not really a Rider strike, it's really just a-.
Speaker 1:Well, it started off as a Rider strike, because there's always it's very disproportionate, like how much a Rider makes versus how much an actor makes versus so, but then it kind of snowballed into this bigger threat of AI. Riders are concerned because companies might be more, they might be more friendly with using AI scripts. You know that kind of thing, like any Joe Schmoe can be like give me a plot line that involves this, this and this, and then if you're a good enough director or what have you, then you can make it.
Speaker 3:You don't need the Rider you know, yeah, if we could build the lore. But you write, the AI writes me a story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then. So that's a concern. And then there's also AI in general starting to become a concern in Hollywood. With what Dylan was saying, a lot of big corporations had already started to write in their contracts that if you're in this film, we have the right to use your likeness forever. And so, like you know, it's not just these people making $50 million on a big budget film, it's these. You know this person that made $500 over the course of a month's work and then that's all they'll ever see, because they won't. Every movie from that point on can use them in the background, using AI to replicate their face, and they won't get any royalties for it. And so that's a you know, it's a concern, for sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and unfortunately, like you know, I think this is a great opportunity for independent studios to make a big stand and just correct that issue just by the nature of them. But unfortunately that's in the entertainment business. We find that that's all. Independent studios have a really tough go.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because the distribution channels are owned by these major institutions and so you can't even like really appropriately market your movie or get it distributed into theaters and stuff, because there's just so many pitfalls. So that's tough, but good luck to them yeah.
Speaker 1:Every industry is faced with that decision at this point, not just them, I mean. There's not really a lot out there that can't be done?
Speaker 3:Yeah, by AI, I know yeah, I mean, the company I'm with right now is having serious AI conversations as well as to not how we like just switch everything over, but how we can use it, leverage it as a tool to improve a lot of different things. So I know that conversation is happening across the board and you name the industry, so be interesting, Exactly.
Speaker 1:But to bring it back to Loki, yeah, quite the tangent. How do you feel about some people saying that Marvel's really missed a lot recently? And I know that the reception to Secret Invasion was kind of lukewarm at best. I think you'll still find people that are really, really into it. But how do you think, do you think that there the future depends on the success of Films or television, like? Do you think that's a little change people's opinions?
Speaker 2:I would. I would say the future of Marvel depends on the films. I don't. I don't think they would ever base the entire MCUs Like value on a TV show. The only thing that would happen, maybe as they decide you know what TV shows not worth it like or so you know, and then just stop TV shows all together. But I don't, I don't think it would ever end the MCU. I think what it would take and Billy mentioned this before we started the podcast but I think what it would take is like if you have an Avengers level movie and it fails, then they'd probably seriously reconsider Continuing are you guys concerned, or is that just talk?
Speaker 3:I think it's just talk, kevin. If I even talked about this a while ago, they got a little aggressive with their content that they're publishing and so like. If you were just like a pretty hard-core fan, that was just kind of overwhelming for there for a little bit of how much stuff you had to kind of stay focused. I mean that sounds crazy. Right, having too much entertainment, but when you're trying to like Stay up and with this universe and understand every angle of it, it was like holy shit, I have like an hour of day of shit that I need to watch.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think, too, it was also the them spreading themselves out Too thin. That's the quality dropped Bob Bob Iger, the CEO of Disney. He talked on it about how he wants to kind of slow down the production of movies to where it's maybe you know down to. It's not as many as we're getting now. And what I would point to is Ubisoft. Look at Assassin's Creed. I think that was the potential future of Marvel, where it just becomes so cash Repeat, so rinse, repeat where. So I'm that I'm happy with what Bob Iger said and I agree with it. Where it's like you know we're gonna slow down and even you know Kevin Feige said that because I don't want it to end up like Ubisoft and Assassin's Creed, where it's like it's just the same over and over and over again, yeah, just for money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and every company falls into that. Like, if you have a popular product, then they're like how do we increase this tenfold?
Speaker 3:Yeah, but decrease the work, you know yeah but when we look at the last movie so from 22 2022 to now we have Doctor Strange. I think we all agree was pretty meh, but I enjoy. I enjoyed fun. I didn't hate it, I just pretty meh. Thor, love and Thunder was a flop.
Speaker 1:It was. I liked it, though, but I think I was in the minority.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so, okay, okay. So there you go. So neutral at best, right, we can agree on that. Black Panther, Wakanda forever.
Speaker 1:I like black, I like good movie good movie.
Speaker 3:Ant-man, the Wasp in Quantamania. I okay movie. I would say neutral plus right. Guardians of Galaxy, volume three great movie. Great movie, the marvels.
Speaker 1:I don't know everything I've seen I'm not too crazy about, but the difference between the other films like and I'm terrible representative for a nerd podcast, but I haven't seen a man in the wash but uh, black Panther. Black Panther, thor, love and Thunder, doctor Strange. Like I, even though I liked those movies, when I saw complaints on it it wasn't like it was. I didn't think that the complaints were or invalid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought that I was like, okay, that's justified. I can understand that Guardians of Galaxy was the first time in a long time where I was like this is classic Marvel, this is like the Marvel that I fell in love with and this is just fucking great. And before that, at the last time, was probably Spider-Man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so I think I think when you look at the history of Marvel movies, it's kind of been one off, one on, one off, one on. It kind of goes back and forth. So I I.
Speaker 1:We were also just treated really good for a while pretty much like from Age of Ultron to Endgame.
Speaker 2:There was a lot of success there there was yeah, so I, I haven't lost faith in them yet. I'm kind of Middle, like I'm just I'm here for the journey, I'm already buckled in. I'm not Rear-end to go, unless Shang-Chi. To that one I'd be like I'm ready opening night, but otherwise, if it's not Spider-Man, I'm like yeah, I'll see it.
Speaker 3:I'm not so I think that's where they want their audience to be right now, just kind of because, yeah, because they haven't delivered an overarching narrative yet.
Speaker 3:And that's like from the outside looking in, I think anybody with a brain could be like point to that being a massive issue, but I know it's. I'm sure Kevin Feige has a whole direction. I mean there they're like six, seven, eight years out in terms of their vision, right. So like clearly he probably has something that he's he's brewing together. So I think, until that they're giving us this break, they don't want to just run in from this like epic arch, you know, story arc Into another, into another, into another. I think what they're giving us a chance to do is like, okay, we're gonna kind of sprinkle in some new characters, some new storylines, see what starts to hit and then, based on that, will kind of dynamically Adjust the content to what people want to see yeah and well, I mean, the thing that's got me excited for Marvel is we haven't even seen like some of their biggest properties that just have in their back pocket.
Speaker 2:They got X-Men fantastic for and they're just. They're kind of sitting on them. I mean they're working on fantastic for, but X-Men is huge and they're just. They just have that ready to go?
Speaker 3:is X-Men's tied up in that, like whole thing with like Fox? No they own it, they, they find a box.
Speaker 1:Disney is true, that's right on the rights.
Speaker 3:So they, there's no issues there from a legal standpoint.
Speaker 2:I mean, I guess Deadpool is starting to address it a little bit, but even then it's just.
Speaker 3:Deadpool, you seen those, those memes coming out? Yeah, about now where they're like fighting in front of the.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a 20th century Fox. Yeah so I guess that in a way, is is Talking about X-Men, but even then, I feel like that's not. Disney is just gonna introduce a new set of X-Men.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty confident they're just gonna reboot the X-Men universe. Yeah, I mean they just wouldn't make sense. But it's weird though, because they had Patrick Stewart, yeah, and Doctor Strange. But people are saying like that's his last ever appearance and I'm like damn, that's kind of a shit last appearance.
Speaker 3:But I'd like the, the OGs like Michael fat or the, not the OGs, the ones that played the OGs the mid, yeah, the middle middle cheese, a secondary cheese, michael fastbender, and what's the guys James?
Speaker 1:McAvoy yeah, that guy feel for them. They're so great. I really think they do such a fan even if they're just alternate versions of, so like they have nothing to do with that, it could just be a different timeline versions of them.
Speaker 2:I think that's how they would explain is because they already have the multiverse right and so they're just gonna have. I would hope that they Don't say like, oh, we're gonna pull in the Fox.
Speaker 1:I would hope they're just like they're the same actors, but these are not the Charles Xavier and Magneto you know the same actors, different timeline exactly, and I would kill for that, because First class is like still one of my favorite X-Men movies. Yes, I love Magneto and professors. X is like dynamic in that that film made me actually like professor X.
Speaker 2:No, and all is all the like the original X-Men. I was like look at this nerd.
Speaker 3:That's such a whole like universe in and of itself. Do you think it belongs inside the MCU? Definitely yeah greater narrative you do.
Speaker 1:I think that once X-Men is involved in the MCU, that's it. I think that they're gonna be the the front runners of the MCU.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah and I think I think Marvel's sitting on it for a reason, because they know.
Speaker 3:That that's a heavy interest, yeah, that that is a big deal yeah it'll be interesting. I mean because then that transforms like the entire narrative, like of having the Avengers to Earth's population fending for itself. Because what percentage of people are have the X, the gene?
Speaker 2:I don't.
Speaker 3:Isn't it like Population right?
Speaker 1:all I know is, in the one, that this isn't all I know. In the comics, wanda as an X-Men. What's not X-Men? She's mutant. How epic would it be if her versus Jean Grey.
Speaker 2:Imagine that on the big get Elizabeth Olson.
Speaker 1:She's Elizabeth Olson versus whoever would play Jean Grey. Um, that is a fucking universe defying battle, yeah right there. That would be amazing.
Speaker 2:Well then, Billy's looking up right now the percentage of mutants. But To add on a little bit, they also didn't they just get the rights to Hulk.
Speaker 3:Did they finally? Yeah, I believe that. Oh, I would kill so you might actually get a full MCU Hulk that would movie. It's time it is how much that characters loved.
Speaker 2:He deserves and Mark Ruffalo loves the whole Do he's a great Hulk, he's a great bro, he's Bruce Banner.
Speaker 3:But I Don't know if people would fully appreciate it, because I think they'll want to see like a Hulk smash type Hulk, and I think the MCU has evolved. They could do that though what if?
Speaker 1:What if? He is getting his ass kicked and the only way he can win is he has to fully surrender to the Hulk again. And so, like you, see that transition.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and he's just like this.
Speaker 1:The only way we can do this is if I, if I become full rage, or whatever, and then he, he says Hulk and then, you see you Hulk bust like Planet Buster Hulk, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3:And then, after the end, he reverts back to smart miss If he has that ability to just hand off control to one side of the other.
Speaker 1:That would be a man.
Speaker 2:They could do an actual World War Hulk.
Speaker 3:Good yeah, that would be so much fun. The Population percentage that have the X-Men gene is point four percent, I guess. So that's huge. It's 16 million people. Yeah but when you take, you know, consider seven half eight billion people on the planet, but still like that's, 16 million people is quite the army of Superhuman yeah, the funny thing about Mutants in Marvel Comics most of them suck like if 16 million, probably like 15 and a half million of those are level one mutants, where it's not really anything that they can save the world.
Speaker 3:We got an extra to. They can heat their coffee Like they're not all like level five mutants.
Speaker 1:Most of them are level ones.
Speaker 2:But like think about it.
Speaker 3:Jean Grey is the only level? No, no, no, is she level six or something, or she's in a class of her own?
Speaker 1:She's in a class of her own level five would be like Magneto and Fesser X basically anyone that could actually use their powers Like as a superpower, but like most mutants are level one. Like oh, I can change the color of my skin.
Speaker 2:You know it's not like, but I mean, think about even further. With the X-Men we get Major characters that are really important. We would get Cyclops. We'd get Wolverine. Wolverine has shown to carry his own movie. He doesn't even need to be part of the X-Men. You could have Storm, you can I mean you could go crazy. Before in the past all the X movies was just them together. You know, you can make it like the Avengers. You could have their own separate movies and then the Avengers level movie is the X-Men.
Speaker 1:That would get crazy, though, cuz there's so many like interesting X-Men characters that you could make a movie around right.
Speaker 3:So I mean, they could go they, they could go buck wild Imagine like Magneto versus like Mr Fantastic, just like it's two different scales.
Speaker 1:I feel like Mr Fantastic, yeah, like he can use his stretching powers like but he's got the brain. But really, more or less, he's more of the smarts of everything. It's not like he's on the front lines, you know, but I was thinking that cartoon where he's like a wooden gun. You know what's what I'm talking about? Magneto, like it's tricked.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, the wooden gun, puts on the handcuffs, gets in the metal car, drives off.
Speaker 1:You didn't. I didn't take your powers, magneto, I really tricked you.
Speaker 3:Like he couldn't see that doesn't that it goes against, like all of his character, cannon, because he can, like he dude. In Magneto, one of the films puts his hand to the earth and can feel all of the metal.
Speaker 1:In the in the second X-Men movie, he can sense that that one cop has too much blood and is too much iron in his blood. And he literally walks a bullet of it and he could like smell them, and then he like literally pulls it all out of me, like too much iron in your blood, and then just kills the guy and then like escapes from prison. So like, yeah, he obviously.
Speaker 2:So do you, do you think the way? How long after Kang? Do you think the wait before X-Men?
Speaker 3:Hopefully not it depends if they want to play this Kang up for the end. Well, interesting, because have they announced what phase the Fantastic? They have it right.
Speaker 2:That's still because we don't have all of phase six laid out for us right.
Speaker 3:There's a couple blanks in their roadmap.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I want to say it wasn't fantastic before the the Kang's dynasty.
Speaker 3:I don't remember. Here we can, I can love the. Oh shit, that's a video.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cuz I want to say fantastic four comes out before Kang's dynasty and Secret Wars.
Speaker 3:Yeah it does right there, fantastic force. So it's right there, so it's like right before.
Speaker 2:So that might be like they might be pulling like a curl Danvers level thing, where they come up with something or they Find a solution to take out Kang, and the solution is his brain well, and I mean, I don't know if they'll go the same way as the comics, but Fantastic four is really important for King because he's you know they're great ancestor. Read Richard's great ancestors so. Maybe, maybe they're gonna have that connection in there.
Speaker 3:Hmm, maybe Could be interesting. I think It'll be interesting if they wrap up the Kang dynasty at at. If they wrap it up and that's it, king Dynasty is the end of King and they don't like carry it into anything else, I think it's highly likely they will.
Speaker 2:I don't think so. I think Secret Wars and King Dynasty are going to be a two-parter.
Speaker 1:I mean maybe, but King had nothing to do with Secret Wars in the comics, but they could change it.
Speaker 2:Just have him. In my opinion, my theory is that they're going to just replace what it's the collector or who puts on the Secret Wars the Beyonder. They just replaced the Beyonder with King.
Speaker 3:So Secret Wars have nothing to do with Secret Invasion? No, totally different.
Speaker 1:Secret Wars is like a galactic level event, callsium, where basically I hope I'm not speaking wrong about this, but I believe it's the Beyonder. So he's like another like you know, celestial, insane level power being. He forces all these heroes from all these planets across the universe to fight in an insane battle to like see who's the best kind of thing. And that's actually in the comics. That's actually the original origin story for the Venom suit for Spider-Man, because he needed to buff him. He needed to. He was getting his ass kicked and so he saw that there was this technology, that it was not technology, this like aliens Symbiote that he like, he was like, well, this will give me a buff. And that's where it originally in the comics. That's where it was.
Speaker 3:I wonder if this is what they do in the King Dynasty movie which is slated for what May 2025?
Speaker 2:Yeah so.
Speaker 3:I wonder what they'll do is, like, they beat King into submission and they find, like, the one of the good versions of King, right, because there's multiple versions of him. He said that himself he's like you, won't always like me, right? And I wonder if they find one of them and he begs them, or he works with Reed Richards, or some way to delete him from all existences so that he basically can never accomplish what he accomplishes. And then, from that, though, there's this massive void of power which spins into Secret Wars, which is, like there's this big grab grasp for, you know, everybody trying to become the guy.
Speaker 2:It could be. I'm going to stick by my theory, though, that it is. They just take Kang and make him fill the shoes.
Speaker 1:Imagine if you will basically all the heroes that represent Earth fighting in this versus the heroes that represent you know, xandor here has that like. That's basically kind of where that could go. And so hunger games, x-men, avengers, basically everybody from Earth a lot more movies that is going to be a representative in the Secret Wars kind of thing, and so there's potential for this to be the greatest like on screen battles we've ever seen. You know how they should introduce it as far as Marvel goes, you know how they should introduce it.
Speaker 3:They should make it like helifing, like, let's say, nick Fury or someone's doing the recruiting for Secret Wars. It's so ridiculous, right? And they all have like audition tapes.
Speaker 2:It's like and it opens up.
Speaker 3:It's like 10 or 15 minutes of like you know them sitting down to like audition for like the office. You know where. They're like a little awkward, like I can do this, this is my power, like so, because most people are going to act and I know who the fuck these people are. So they we get an introduction to you know eight or so of the new heroes and what they could do, and they're from different planets and they do a flashback or something. I think they could have a lot of fun with that.
Speaker 1:I want to see one of the heroes use the Captain Universe powers. So Billy would hate this, but Spider-Man used it once in the comics, but so has.
Speaker 3:Captain America and it's like you know you get knighted as like, so basically, I don't know who bestows it.
Speaker 1:It's just like the uni power, like probably the one, above all in times of great need where there's no other option.
Speaker 1:He's the best the most worthy hero who can actually save will get bestowed with the Captain Universe powers. And just imagine, like ever seen, watchman, just imagine Dr Manhattan that's like the levels we're talking about here and that they only have it for the amount of time they need it. As soon as whatever task that they need to accomplish is done, they lose the powers. I would love to say I don't care who, I would love to see that Hello.
Speaker 3:Well, this is like above.
Speaker 1:This is like whoever's monitoring this knew that they were going to win. You know, like this is like whoever's monitoring doesn't know what's going to happen. This is our last chance. That's the. That's the kind of threat that needs to happen.
Speaker 3:That would be so disappointing to see on screen.
Speaker 1:I think only in, like, the very last, like.
Speaker 3:I don't think it would make sense, but even then, though, like think about what has to happen, like everything's lost, all is low, you know everything, everybody lost everything, right? And then some cosmic being comes down and like here you go, and then they snap their fingers. That's kind of like that's a huge writing cop out. In my opinion, like I, it sounds cool, like for a comic, like one off story. But if it phase six ended like that, it would be a fucking big bummer, I don't think phase six would end like that.
Speaker 1:I think this would literally be like the end of the MCU. Yeah, this is like end of the snap.
Speaker 3:And everything goes to utopia.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't go to utopia. They would just go back to where they the the guy with the captain universe powers whoever that is. They reverse time and then it goes back to Nick Fury. I'm here to talk about the Avengers initiative and then it ends they just negate everything that's ever happened after that conversation with Nick Fury.
Speaker 2:So, kyle, did you know Crazy? I had to look it up here. Sorry to go back towards Spider-Man, but there's actually an even more powerful version of Spider-Man than the captain universe. So for a little bit I guess this happened during Sega Wars, I didn't know that spider elder. He gained the powers of the beyonder and so he becomes, according to this, omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence.
Speaker 3:Okay, spider-man everywhere, he knows everything and people love. Spider-man yeah, just a kid from New York. I'm out here shooting web Okay.
Speaker 1:You sound like that kid that showed up at the end of the game awards. That's a son of a but, yeah, so they could do that. I don't think.
Speaker 3:I swear to God if they make fucking the differences.
Speaker 1:I don't think they do that to Tom. Holland Spider-Man's because in the comic secret wars Spider-Man was already like a lot older. I think that this they would do it to. Well, he's not there anymore, but like someone that would have like like Captain America or like Iron man, it would have to be someone on that level.
Speaker 3:I would want it. I think it'd be. I would want like someone, not I would want like Nick Fury to do that.
Speaker 1:Finally give him the respect.
Speaker 3:then yeah, but like like who else, I would want it to be like the. Ligger of someone from earth, yeah, but here's the thing like who, who else would would be it Like who? Spider-man is the best option we got. Like fucking Tom.
Speaker 1:Holland.
Speaker 3:I would want somebody from earth, not super, you know, or like cause. How many earthling superheroes do we have left Quill? We have quite a few.
Speaker 1:Quill actually is not a bad bet to have that To be either Quill.
Speaker 3:He's not really linked to Earth.
Speaker 1:I want it given to somebody who's normally nowhere near that level of power. That's what I'm saying, right?
Speaker 3:I want it like I don't want Thor to do it because that's like the obvious one to do. Hawkeye, yeah. Oh, that would be weird, that would be weird. Oh, they might bring back Black. What the hell is her name?
Speaker 1:Black Widow. Black Widow, like she gets brought back to life with those powers, with those powers and then has the, so that honestly sounds cheesy but at the same time not to have bad, not right.
Speaker 2:My two contenders, if it's not Spider-Man, would probably be Kamal Harris or other child, but that's Billy's favorite.
Speaker 1:It has to represent the future of Marvel. It does, you're right.
Speaker 2:Kamal Harris, or you could do America, chavez. I think those would be big deals. I don't know.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not against you on this, but cuz I do like.
Speaker 2:If you look at the Marvel now to me, hold on, kamala.
Speaker 3:Khan Kamala. Thank you so much. I'm like, are you guys seriously talking about the vice president of the United States of America? I literally had a fucking moment there. I was like Dylan Kyle was so sold out. He's like yeah.
Speaker 1:He said come on Another child.
Speaker 3:I had a. I'm like maybe there's an actor with the exact same name as our vice president, like maybe I'm out of the know, man, okay.
Speaker 2:Come on, yeah, come on, it's marvelous.
Speaker 3:Like what the fuck? You were both on the same page and I'm like I am. I am out of the loop on this one why. Is she the one?
Speaker 1:she randomly shows up at the end. Cameos is the most powerful.
Speaker 3:Because I'm like maybe there's two over something immediately they're like oh shit.
Speaker 2:It's.
Speaker 1:Marvel.
Speaker 2:I mean because to me, looking at all the people we have right now in Marvel, I don't think we have any big, big start like big.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen the replacement yet for Captain America or iron.
Speaker 2:Yeah, spider-man is the closest to me, and even then he's.
Speaker 3:Count, really no.
Speaker 1:Man, it's really sad. I would have loved to have seen Black Panther, though. Yeah, yeah and I bet you there would have. I actually would love.
Speaker 3:I think that makes sense to Chalemite that might be interesting like, or his sister who's? Yeah surey, because she's I would do.
Speaker 1:I would love to see the name or yeah, name one.
Speaker 3:That'd be cool too, for sure.
Speaker 1:That's the only Marvel film I've watched that I, I Chunky, I almost was kind of rooting for my points.
Speaker 3:I was rooting for the bad guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I Know, chunky, he'd never. Really I don't know.
Speaker 2:None of none of them feel like how they mature him. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Because when, when you talk about like Captain America, like his character comes with like a certain level of this, like we had Seven films with him, yeah history, he's Captain America by the time he lifted that hammer, by the time he strapped that shield against, yeah, all of Thanos's army.
Speaker 1:He deserved to be there. It wasn't like he had one film and it wouldn't have been the same thing.
Speaker 2:Well, and I feel like right now, the only person we have in Marvel that earns that is maybe Spider-Man right now, just because we have the history of his films. Other than that we have.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't want Dr Strange to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, toby McGuire, spider-man, sure, fine.
Speaker 1:He's earned that alright since 2002. He's been there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, maybe Spider-Man is like currently with how everything lays.
Speaker 2:He just he has the most screen presence when it comes to Marvel right now, and I think they're building up other people, like you know. It will see if they do anything with Hulk, and then they also have X-Men, and I was gonna say professor X.
Speaker 3:Actually, if they slotted him in, he already comes with that history, right? Because everybody, everybody, knows when they introduce X-Men and they have Obviously gonna have Magneto and like the, the classic core they're going to like they immediately walk in with history, right?
Speaker 2:I think well then you have that leader character again. You know, professor. X right now we don't really have anybody we honestly I.
Speaker 1:I know it sounds crazy and it's not gonna happen, but I'm almost really liking the idea of black widow coming back to life and and having that as Scarlett Johansson ever said anything about coming back to play she sued Disney.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, I don't think that now she's too sold on that anymore. You're right, but she loves the character. I mean she even got the tattoo that all the other six got because they tried to do the $30 Disney Plus. They kind of screwed over her film they didn't put in her contract right that she would clip something that.
Speaker 3:And yeah, crazy, yeah, that seems like such a long time ago.
Speaker 1:I know that was like COVID, that was getting a code, yeah, the very beginning of which was three years ago now. That's insane.
Speaker 3:That's crazy.
Speaker 1:There's some moments where I feel like that's just happened and then there's, and then I think about things that happened when that first happened and it does feel like there's a long time ago.
Speaker 3:It's dude.
Speaker 1:Loki. We don't like sponsored by Loki. Time is a funny thing.
Speaker 3:We just are spewing propaganda to support this timeline Respect and rejoice. Okay, let's talk about Secret of Asia. You two go ahead, let's do it. Dylan didn't watch it, I did. Um, kyle's take is a little different than mine. Why don't you start, and then I'll share mine.
Speaker 1:So I'll start by saying that's uh, I Didn't think it was bad. If you go online you can see pretty well constructed arguments that go either way on Whether this is terrible or not. Not good, I actually. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2:The arguments are between terrible, not good, not terrible, and if you go online, if you go online, everybody hates it.
Speaker 1:No, the arguments you can see arguments being made, if they're Whether it's good or whether it's bad Either way you know what? At least I didn't fuck up.
Speaker 3:Exactly you agreed with me.
Speaker 1:I didn't agree. I called her a child. I was thinking of Kamala Khan. But, that being said, for me personally, I was. I was Welmed. I wasn't underwhelmed. I wasn't overwhelmed. I think it it was satisfying. I I wasn't a huge fan of their treatment of Nick Fury because to me, I I never really got in that film or that show that he was like, he was like the man you know what I mean Like it felt like this was supposed to be his unforgiving movie where, like you know, he came out of retirement to show the young people why he is what he is and how he got to where he was. And to me it sort of felt like the whole time was like Nick Fury's getting old. And yeah, he got old. There was no moment of, but he's still Nick Fury, he's still got it. I never got that, he's still got it.
Speaker 2:It definitely wasn't like Top Gun you know, like what you were looking for is kind of like in Winter Soldier how he has that scene Winter.
Speaker 1:Soldier with yeah, winter Soldier, without a doubt, is still my favorite representation of Nick Fury in all of the MCU. I wanted more of that. Ultimately is what I wanted, but you had a different take to this.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So my opinion was I really liked it the first four episodes. I say really liked it. I liked it because I felt like it was really grounded. It didn't have really over the top. I felt like it just was like an alien movie, didn't feel like an MCU thing. It wasn't any of the over top technology or you know shit that they just sort of pull out of their ass, you know, or crazy superhero that just levels up the whole thing. It was just an enjoyable show.
Speaker 3:And then the last two episodes sort of contradicted that entire premise for me. Like at one point he wore like this mask that literally turned him into a scroll and I was like, oh, that would have been super helpful for a million things ever. I'm like, where the fuck is that? And they even joke like, oh, a billion dollars in development and that's all you can do. And it was just like, okay, that was weird. I got from that.
Speaker 3:Nick Fury was really affected by the blip and so he never fully recovered. But you are right, like the first few episodes they were hyping it up for him to go through this transformative transition from being affected by the blip sort of being upset with the state of the world, not feeling guilty with the scrolls and what happened. And you were kind of waiting for that turning point and it never really happened. And I kind of blame the final scene before he kills Rhodes, because he walks in and he doesn't really do anything badass. He basically surrenders and then tries to convince the president to call his bluff, and it wasn't like Fury took over the situation and made it his own. He just sort of was like well, mr President, he's the bad guy, and then ends up just shooting him in the head. And it was like that could have been done a lot, a lot more badass, yeah.
Speaker 3:But the thing that I enjoyed about it completely flipped. So all of a sudden we went from like this very grounded thing to oh shit, amelia Clark's character has every superpower ever known in the MCU. She's the Hulk, she's Groot, she's Gamora, she's the ice people, she's Thor, she's literally Carol Danvers. She has all of these powers and it's like OK, so now we have quite literally the strongest being in the entire universe who just stood in an electronic field to get blasted with everyone's DNA, which that doesn't even really make sense. How did they get Thor's DNA and everybody's blood?
Speaker 2:That was the I'm like no, how did they get? Didn't they have Drax?
Speaker 3:Yeah, she was Drax too.
Speaker 2:How did how?
Speaker 3:Who knows, dude?
Speaker 2:Reasons yeah, I don't think Drax ever set foot on.
Speaker 1:Earth. They take your blood sample. He did for the final end game.
Speaker 3:So that took place on Earth.
Speaker 1:The final battle. Yeah, he was there. Oh yeah, remember. He jumps on his back and is like ah, he's having that one.
Speaker 3:So I just that was super weird to me.
Speaker 1:With the whole roadie thing you also. I neglected to mention this. I really, really, really hate the implication that roadie has been a scroll since Civil War possibly, and the roadie that we had in end game is just a mess In. Infinity War. It's not roadie, it was a scroll. Yeah, especially when you have I just hate that, because that feels like such a disservice to his character.
Speaker 2:Iron man, his best friend, dies and in end game. That's a really touching scene and you would have me believe that that wasn't actually roadie.
Speaker 1:I hope they're going to figure out a way to wreck on that and say he got imprisoned just after the end game yeah, Because I hate the implication that the roadie we saw fight alongside the Avengers since Civil War hasn't even been roadie.
Speaker 2:I saw a meme where it's like this scene where roadie shows up and he's in the facility or whatever. That it's Terrence Howard.
Speaker 1:People have joke about that. They're like roadie's been a scroll since Iron man 2. And Terrence Howard is the real roadie.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, Because they changed it. That's funny.
Speaker 1:Like that'd be a terrible scroll. It doesn't even look like.
Speaker 3:But I also hate the response that we go from this whole dynamic and then the president immediately launches a global attack offensive of unhinged murderers against the scroll people, because there's apparently a million scrolls living among us, so they're just going around like innocent people, are dying, everybody's dying, and I'm supposed to believe that this person, whatever her name, is Clark's literal character. What's her character name? Do you remember Gaia Gaia Gaia, she literally has unfathomable power and she's going to stay here to save her people and she needs the US or the British intelligence and the US government to help her. Like you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Like why?
Speaker 1:What the?
Speaker 3:fuck she could. Literally she is. It doesn't really land. And again, I think this is another common complaint where we've seen with all of these TV series and all of these most recent films is they continue to branch in their own direction, like there was the one with the power broker right. What was the series with that one Was that the Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Speaker 3:Thank you. There's that where it just keeps going in that direction. And then now there's this, and now also with Thor, you've got Hercules and stuff and it's like we keep kind of walking further and further away from what. We kind of fell in love with these characters Because it just feels real. Now we have this global attack of like everybody hunting down a million scrolls. It's very weird. So the things that I liked about it kind of fell off in the end. But overall it was decent. Samuel L Jackson did a great job, given the writing that he had. But there was a couple lines where I'm like, ooh, even that was not good with a great actor. He was supposed to have this moment where he gathers his gear and he makes a phone call and he's like let's get to it or something like that, and it was supposed to be this badass line. I'm like that was kind of bad.
Speaker 1:The best line Nick Fury ever dropped and unfortunately it got turned into a meme because of damn Captain Marvel with the cat. But in the Winter Soldier, when Nick Fury goes up to the one guy and he says, if you want to stay ahead of me, you've got to keep both eyes open, and he pulls up his eye patch and then he uses his dead eye to scan in. That's what they were going for, I think, but it didn't feel flat. The writing wasn't as good and then again, I think ever since Winter Soldier, nick Fury has not been treated the best by the MCU.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I feel like that was the last time we were like dude. Nick Fury is Nick Fury for a reason was Winter Soldier he's a badass. But, that being said, I think secret invasion wasn't terrible. In fact, I think if you're a casual Marvel viewer, I think that there's still a lot of things to be entertained by in that show, and by no means does it ruin the character of Nick.
Speaker 2:Fury for me.
Speaker 1:I just I would have wanted a little more, is all.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, we're back at it with the Marvel fanboy. Yes, larger in charge the whole episode, but it's not our fault.
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Speaker 3:Well, what's up? Oppenheimer? It's a good film going on right now. I know we all love she had a lot of really good movies.
Speaker 1:The thing is is we loved Oppenheimer, but if you listen to our last episode, that was only like 10 minutes of the whole podcast. True, what?
Speaker 2:happened. We start talking about what happened? What did we start talking about?
Speaker 1:I don't remember Spider-Man. Somehow I think we started talking about Spider-Man. I know Billy checked out.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think he fell asleep at one point.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I might have just walked out of the room and you didn't even notice.
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